Is There A Base Population In The Scn. Cult That Would Exist Regardless Of What Happens?

TrevAnon

Big list researcher
I love the work that others have done in estimating how many are in and active.

My question now is how many would stay in REGARDLESS of what happened?
You're welcome.

As ILTL already said it's the 64,000 dollar (or euro?) question.

Overcoming the cognitive dissonance that you've spent your life for a worthless goal may well be too hard. Also, there are people for whom the certainty Scientology seems to offer (as I understand) is very welcome. I think John P. Capitalist was right: he once said he thought that more and more members will 'leave' in a coffin, instead of just getting out.

That said, I do hope that people still in get out and live the rest of their lives to the fullest.

I just don't expect many more to get out. Maybe some disaster like DM getting a heart attack at an event could break the spell for the most hardcore? :confused:

(For legal reasons: of course I wouldn't wish it on him :D )
 

Dotey OT

Quite Disaffected
So here is the question. Obviously, we do not have this data. I wish that we did.

What are the "people pools" where scamatology gets it's new parishioners?

I bet familial 2nd gen + has a higher percentage now than it ever has. I came in through WISE lines, ugh. I know guys that were book readers. My bet is that all other ways of the bridge are drying out to some extent now, and especially now.

Something like:

1. Family of scamatologist
2. Friend or acquaintance of scamatologist
3. Old previous book buyer, etc. Off the bridge for years. No internet, or still programmed not to believe
4. Sho nuff off the street, never noticed a bad word gullible person

I love guessing.

Somebody say something!!
 

ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
. . . gets it's new parishioners?
What makes you think they are? I don't think they are getting anymore
new people, just running out the clock on the ones still in.

But I've been out so long, I don't see the activity on the ground though.

Are they getting new parishioners?

Perhaps they get a few in foreign lands. ESMB and other sites aren't translated
into other languages, so they have a limited reach. Same goes for many of the
heretical books. People are not getting as "poisoned" by the truth in places like
Borneo, Burma. or Armenia (a possible future bolt-hole for me). :coolwink:

I have a feeling the main play is IAS donations. Get millions tax free and no
liabilities for future delivery on the acct. books. Best deal going. Just keep the
whales happy and coming along.

Imagine the amount of work and trained auditors it would take to deliver $5 million
worth of services vs just dropping $5 million into a numbered account somewhere. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

Dotey OT

Quite Disaffected
What makes you think they are? I don't think they are getting anymore
new people, just running out the clock on the ones still in.

But I've been out so long, I don't see the activity on the ground though.

Are they getting new parishioners?

Perhaps they get a few in foreign lands. ESMB and other sites aren't translated
into other languages, so they have a limited reach. Same goes for many of the
heretical books. People are not getting as "poisoned" by the truth in places like
Borneo, Burma. or Armenia (a possible future bolt-hole for me). :coolwink:

I have a feeling the main play is IAS donations. Get millions tax free and no
liabilities for future delivery on the acct. books. Best deal going. Just keep the
whales happy and coming along.

Imagine the amount of work and trained auditors it would take to deliver $5 million
worth of services vs just dropping $5 million into a numbered account somewhere. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I occasionally see a new face used in promotion from my old local org, a face I did not know, and I knew most people there for a fairly long while. There is the possibility is they moved in from elsewhere. I am sure the BIS is kaput, or was before the planet began freaking out.

That's alright, I am as disinterested in them having new people as any. I hate it for the 2nd gen and beyond kids.
 

Riddick

I clap to no man
At first I was way excited and actually brought people into the fold.

After I was able to observe the madness in action I became horrified of bringing anyone anywhere near any of it and then spent an inordinate amount of time searching for the "sane" place in Scientology...a futile pursuit.

I used to believe that somewhere over the rainbow there was an Emerald City of theta and sanity for Scientology.

Once I found out that it was exactly the opposite I was toast as a Scientologist.
I tried many times but could never get any of my friends or family involved, I even used the ARC triangle and the dissem formula, and sending them a book or brochure. None bought in and none said it was bullshit or anything, just no interest, we are all still friends.

I figured when I got to "clear", they would realize dianetics and scientology was the greatest stuff on earth. I figured I would be an example, proof of all the steps up the Bridge.
 

Riddick

I clap to no man
I see the same thing. Always the same cars in the lot and only a few families holding up each Org.

I often drive by the Org I used to go to and it is always the same people in there keeping Scientology working while their heads are in a bubble of delusion choosing not to look at the truth about Scientology, the founder and the leader. Many of them have committed criminal offenses by bankrupting each other, causing suicides by disconnection and shunning and shattering famillies. They do it with such certainty too. I can't imagine the few that are still in will ever leave. Scientology will always be around due to the clever "tech" L Ron Hubbard designed. It is a circle jerk of mind manipulation and self delusion.
Keeping Scientology Working, or KSW Policy Letter of 1965, and at the beginning of every course a scientologists does, is one of Hubbard's greatest rhetoric speeches, although written and not spoken. It is repeated and repeated and embedded in the mind, Chinese school style which Hubbard talked about and used.

But what is Hubbard's KSW, it is rhetoric, the art of persuasion, which is not the same as rhetorical.



 

Riddick

I clap to no man
What makes you think they are? I don't think they are getting anymore
new people, just running out the clock on the ones still in.

But I've been out so long, I don't see the activity on the ground though.

Are they getting new parishioners?

Perhaps they get a few in foreign lands. ESMB and other sites aren't translated
into other languages, so they have a limited reach. Same goes for many of the
heretical books. People are not getting as "poisoned" by the truth in places like
Borneo, Burma. or Armenia (a possible future bolt-hole for me). :coolwink:

I have a feeling the main play is IAS donations. Get millions tax free and no
liabilities for future delivery on the acct. books. Best deal going. Just keep the
whales happy and coming along.

Imagine the amount of work and trained auditors it would take to deliver $5 million
worth of services vs just dropping $5 million into a numbered account somewhere. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
word of mouth is shut down, they can't hand out promo pieces, body regging in big cities is shut down, all do to Covid 19, plus no regging by unexpected visits by Sea Org regs, it's all shut down. DM has no answer in Hubbard's rhetoric, but only the whales to reg for IAS, LOL, that won't go far.
 

Karakorum

The most just, the most merciful, the most ethical
What makes you think they are? I don't think they are getting anymore
new people, just running out the clock on the ones still in.

But I've been out so long, I don't see the activity on the ground though.

Are they getting new parishioners?

Perhaps they get a few in foreign lands. ESMB and other sites aren't translated
into other languages, so they have a limited reach. Same goes for many of the
heretical books. People are not getting as "poisoned" by the truth in places like
Borneo, Burma. or Armenia (a possible future bolt-hole for me). :coolwink:

I have a feeling the main play is IAS donations. Get millions tax free and no
liabilities for future delivery on the acct. books. Best deal going. Just keep the
whales happy and coming along.

Imagine the amount of work and trained auditors it would take to deliver $5 million
worth of services vs just dropping $5 million into a numbered account somewhere. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Scientology in Armenia sounds like "Nordic socialism in rural Nebraska". Ain't gonna happen.

1. Family of scamatologist
2. Friend or acquaintance of scamatologist
3. Old previous book buyer, etc. Off the bridge for years. No internet, or still programmed not to believe
4. Sho nuff off the street, never noticed a bad word gullible person
Guys recruited in Russia who are sweeped off their feet by a "We can bring you to America where you will get a good job and a white picket fence home" .
 
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