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[pineapple]

@Noteta, getting involved with CoS would be "jumping out of the frying pan into the fire," I.e. only making a bad situation worse. No matter what you think is wrong with you, they'll tell you they can fix it. Their stock phrase is "Scientology can help you with that." But in reality scn is just a scheme to take your money (in the US auditing costs $200/hour) and if you don't have any money (or they've already emptied your bank account), they will get you to join staff or the Sea Org and work for them for long hours and little or no money. (I was on staff for 6 years and most of the time I got paid NOTHING. I survived on low-paying second jobs.)

As for having something wrong with you, we ALL have something wrong with us. We ALL have what scientology calls a "case," but scn is not the way to address it. You will ALWAYS have a case, we all will. You cannot "erase your reactive mind" or become some kind of superbeing. I left scn when I realized that the supposed "clears" I saw around me were no better than anybody else, no better than "wogs" (non-scngsts), except that they had been brainwashed to believe they were superior. (This included me for a while.) Some were nice people, some were not.

My recommendation is that you stay far away from CoS. I don't know what your sessions with your independent auditor are like, but since they seem to be stirring up "past life" hallucinations, it's probably best to stop those.

If you're seeking "enlightenment," there are lots of spiritual practices that you can take up that won't cost a lot of money and that you can even do by yourself. Meditation can be helpful. Almost anything is preferable to scn.

If the "something that's wrong with you" (what scn calls your "case") is really bothering you a lot, some form of psychotherapy might be a good idea. Contrary to scn propaganda, psychiatrists and psychologists are not all evil implanters. (In fact, it's scn that is the implant.) I had 2 1/2 years of psychoanalysis after I got out of scn and found it very helpful. No drugs, no hypnosis, just talking about whatever came into my head. And it was also cheaper than auditing was then (1980's). My therapist charged on a sliding scale.

That's my 2 cents. (My recommendations.)

 

[Noteta]

@Noteta, entrare in contatto con la CoS equivarrebbe a "buttarsi dalla padella nella brace", ovvero a peggiorare ulteriormente una situazione già difficile. Non importa cosa pensi che non vada in te, ti diranno che possono risolverlo. Il loro motto è "Scientology può aiutarti con questo". Ma in realtà Scientology è solo un piano per prenderti i soldi (negli Stati Uniti l'auditing costa 200 dollari l'ora) e se non hai soldi (o ti hanno già svuotato il conto in banca), ti convinceranno a entrare nello staff o nella Sea Org e a lavorare per loro per lunghe ore con pochi o nessun guadagno. (Sono stato nello staff per 6 anni e per la maggior parte del tempo non sono stato pagato NULLA. Sono sopravvissuto con secondi lavori mal pagati.)

Quanto al fatto di avere qualcosa che non va in te, TUTTI noi abbiamo qualcosa che non va. TUTTI abbiamo quello che Scientology chiama un "caso", ma Scientology non è il modo di affrontarlo. Avrai SEMPRE un caso, tutti noi. Non puoi "cancellare la tua mente reattiva" o diventare una sorta di superessere. Ho lasciato Scientology quando mi sono reso conto che i presunti "clear" che vedevo intorno a me non erano migliori di nessun altro, non migliori dei "wog" (non-Scngst), tranne per il fatto che erano stati plagiati a credere di essere superiori. (Questo includeva anche me per un po'.) Alcuni erano brave persone, altri no.

Il mio consiglio è di stare alla larga da CoS. Non so come siano le tue sessioni con il tuo revisore indipendente, ma dato che sembrano risvegliare allucinazioni di "vite passate", probabilmente è meglio interromperle.

Se stai cercando l'"illuminazione", ci sono molte pratiche spirituali che puoi intraprendere, che non costano molto e che puoi fare anche da solo. La meditazione può essere utile. Quasi tutto è preferibile alla scienza.

Se il "qualcosa che non va in te" (come la SCN chiama il tuo "caso") ti sta davvero tormentando, una qualche forma di psicoterapia potrebbe essere una buona idea. Contrariamente alla propaganda della SCN, psichiatri e psicologi non sono tutti degli impiantatori malvagi. (In realtà, è la SCN l'impianto.) Ho fatto due anni e mezzo di psicoanalisi dopo essere uscito dalla SCN e l'ho trovata molto utile. Niente farmaci, niente ipnosi, solo parlare di qualsiasi cosa mi passasse per la testa. Ed era anche più economico dell'auditing all'epoca (anni '80). Il mio terapeuta mi faceva pagare a rate.

Questo è il mio contributo. (I miei consigli.)
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Thank you

 

[The_Fixer]

I don't know how accurate Google Translate is, but this is how it translated your message:

Unfortunately, my English is bad. To explain myself better... there are some parts of Scn that stood out to me, particularly the concept of thetans. However, the idea of having past life trauma creates anxiety and worry for me. I have done online auditing sessions with an independent, but my situation is getting worse, I see images of hypothetical past lives, but I don't know if they are real or just a figment of my imagination. Then the idea of a whole song makes me psychotic. Having to see the episodes described by Hubbard, or perhaps just imagine them. So I thought there was something wrong with me. That's why I thought about the idea of trying to go to a Cos.

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I don't know how accurate Google Translate is, but this is how it translated your message:

Unfortunately, my English is bad. To explain myself better... there are some parts of Scn that stood out to me, particularly the concept of thetans. However, the idea of having past life trauma creates anxiety and worry for me. I have done online auditing sessions with an independent, but my situation is getting worse, I see images of hypothetical past lives, but I don't know if they are real or just a figment of my imagination. Then the idea of a whole song makes me psychotic. Having to see the episodes described by Hubbard, or perhaps just imagine them. So I thought there was something wrong with me. That's why I thought about the idea of trying to go to a Cos.

I really don't think scientology would be of much use to you there.

They just want to get you into Auditing and to pay the costs. If the sessions don't go as expected then you will be required to pay even more costs and to redo your sessions until you get that "floating needle". It's all about getting the big bucks in for them and you're the guy (or gal) that's going to be paying. As long as the money is flowing, they're happy even if your life is going downhill fast, because they may say otherwise but they really don't care. Sure, some do, but it's all about the Stats and keeping themselves out of trouble.

If you have anxieties about potentially revisiting past life traumas, then I would really say don't do it. You may or may not have those recalls and there is no way of telling until you are actually in session. If you did go ahead, you may be pleasantly surprised or just the opposite. It's a risk you would have to be comfortable with taking before doing it.

That's the easy bit.

After all that, you're going to have to endure all the high pressure sales stuff and potential Ethics actions. They are going to express extreme distaste with you for even being on this forum. That's a high crime to them.

In short, they are not equipped to deal with any mental health issues (or simple anxiety) issues and they will be very busy finding ways to get more and more money out of you. If they see you as a risk, they will still try to extract your money and not let you progress. Many people have found this out the hard way.

If the anxiety about past life stuff is your main problem, then both the Church and the Independents deal with the same things in a similar manner (technically), but my guess is that you would be better treated by the Independents, overall. At least their main goal is not extracting every last cent out of you.

 

[The_Fixer]

@Noteta, getting involved with CoS would be "jumping out of the frying pan into the fire," I.e. only making a bad situation worse. No matter what you think is wrong with you, they'll tell you they can fix it. Their stock phrase is "Scientology can help you with that." But in reality scn is just a scheme to take your money (in the US auditing costs $200/hour) and if you don't have any money (or they've already emptied your bank account), they will get you to join staff or the Sea Org and work for them for long hours and little or no money. (I was on staff for 6 years and most of the time I got paid NOTHING. I survived on low-paying second jobs.)

As for having something wrong with you, we ALL have something wrong with us. We ALL have what scientology calls a "case," but scn is not the way to address it. You will ALWAYS have a case, we all will. You cannot "erase your reactive mind" or become some kind of superbeing. I left scn when I realized that the supposed "clears" I saw around me were no better than anybody else, no better than "wogs" (non-scngsts), except that they had been brainwashed to believe they were superior. (This included me for a while.) Some were nice people, some were not.

My recommendation is that you stay far away from CoS. I don't know what your sessions with your independent auditor are like, but since they seem to be stirring up "past life" hallucinations, it's probably best to stop those.

If you're seeking "enlightenment," there are lots of spiritual practices that you can take up that won't cost a lot of money and that you can even do by yourself. Meditation can be helpful. Almost anything is preferable to scn.

If the "something that's wrong with you" (what scn calls your "case") is really bothering you a lot, some form of psychotherapy might be a good idea. Contrary to scn propaganda, psychiatrists and psychologists are not all evil implanters. (In fact, it's scn that is the implant.) I had 2 1/2 years of psychoanalysis after I got out of scn and found it very helpful. No drugs, no hypnosis, just talking about whatever came into my head. And it was also cheaper than auditing was then (1980's). My therapist charged on a sliding scale.

That's my 2 cents. (My recommendations.)

Completely agree with you there. You posted this as I was busy typing out my comment, so we do have some overlap there.

 

[The_Fixer]

Just to add to my last post, If you are not very well off financially, if you went through the Church, you may well find yourself under some pressure to join staff or the Sea Org with all sorts of wonderful promises of free auditing and wonderful life.

Those promises are almost always never fulfilled. Their demands can be quite excruciating.

 

[Type4_PTS]

Just to add to my last post, If you are not very well off financially, if you went through the Church, you may well find yourself under some pressure to join staff or the Sea Org with all sorts of wonderful promises of free auditing and wonderful life.

Those promises are almost always never fulfilled. Their demands can be quite excruciating.

I found those things to be true the hard way.

They'll promise you incredible things to get you to join staff or the Sea Org. But it may take a billion years or more to receive what was promised.

 

[Type4_PTS]

If you have anxieties about potentially revisiting past life traumas, then I would really say don't do it. You may or may not have those recalls and there is no way of telling until you are actually in session. If you did go ahead, you may be pleasantly surprised or just the opposite. It's a risk you would have to be comfortable with taking before doing it.

There are other ways of dealing with past life trauma other than Scientology. Any search on the internet will find some options. These sites took me about 2 minutes to find. I'm not familiar with any of these sites, nor am I endorsing any of them. I do see the bottom link seems to be a squirreled version of EFT, which I find interesting. A good EFT practitioner can handle trauma, but I've never heard it being used to address past lives.


10 Signs of Past Life Trauma & How to Heal Past Life Trauma Issues

10 Signs of Past Life Trauma & How to Heal Past Life Trauma Issues

What is past life trauma exactly, & what are some examples? We describe 10 signs of past life trauma, & explain how to heal past life trauma issues in your life

www.qhhtofficial.com

How to Heal Past Lives

How to Heal Past Lives

People often wonder how our past lives can actually impact on us – after all, when we get to the other side, doesn’t all the bad stuff fall away?Yes, it does – up to a point.

annasayce.com

Matrix Past Life Practitioner

EFT Past Lives with Caroline Dawson

Matrix Past Life Practitioner Embark on a Transformative Learning Journey: Mastering EFT,Matrix Reimprinting, and Matrix Past Life Reimprinting. Find Out More About Past Lives Learning […]

eftpastlives.com

EFT Past Lives with Caroline Dawson

Learn the tools to work with Past Lives using Matrix Reimprinting confidently Would you like to be able to work elegantly and confidently with past […]

eftpastlives.com

 

[Noteta]

Ho scoperto che queste cose erano vere a mie spese.

Ti promettono cose incredibili per convincerti a entrare a far parte dello staff o della Sea Org. Ma potrebbero volerci un miliardo di anni o più.
per ricevere ciò che era stato promesso.
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But they here true?

 

[Noteta]

Esistono altri modi per affrontare i traumi delle vite passate, oltre a Scientology. Qualsiasi ricerca su internet troverà alcune opzioni. Mi ci sono voluti circa due minuti per trovare questi siti. Non conosco nessuno di questi siti, né li approvo. Vedo che il link in basso sembra essere una versione "scoiattolo" di EFT, cosa che trovo interessante. Un buon praticante di EFT può gestire i traumi, ma non ho mai sentito che venisse usato per affrontare le vite passate.


10 segnali di traumi di vite passate e come guarire i problemi legati a traumi di vite passate

10 Signs of Past Life Trauma & How to Heal Past Life Trauma Issues

What is past life trauma exactly, & what are some examples? We describe 10 signs of past life trauma, & explain how to heal past life trauma issues in your life

www.qhhtofficial.com

Come guarire le vite passate

How to Heal Past Lives

People often wonder how our past lives can actually impact on us – after all, when we get to the other side, doesn’t all the bad stuff fall away?Yes, it does – up to a point.

annasayce.com

Operatore di vite passate Matrix

EFT Past Lives with Caroline Dawson

Matrix Past Life Practitioner Embark on a Transformative Learning Journey: Mastering EFT,Matrix Reimprinting, and Matrix Past Life Reimprinting. Find Out More About Past Lives Learning […]

eftpastlives.com

EFT Past Lives with Caroline Dawson

Learn the tools to work with Past Lives using Matrix Reimprinting confidently Would you like to be able to work elegantly and confidently with past […]

eftpastlives.com

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[Noteta]

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In realtà vorrei smettere di pensare ai traumi delle vite passate.
Forse non sono nemmeno reali.
It is a obsession!
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[guanoloco]

If Scientology worked - meaning it was a solution - none of us would be here and this site wouldn't exist.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Unrelated to ESMB, a few weeks ago I was on another message board website and saw a post that this thread kind of reminded me of:

안녕하세요. 저는 최근 북한 강제 수용소에서 탈출했습니다. 27년 동안 빛도 들어오지 않는 작은 상자에 갇혀 매주 작은 개 사료 한 컵만 먹으며 굶주렸습니다. 이제 다른 나라에 와서 북한으로 돌아갈까 생각 중입니다. 북한은 모든 사람을 완전히 자유롭고 부유하게 만들겠다는 훌륭한 목표를 가지고 있는 것 같습니다. 탈출한 이후로는 우리의 존경하는 지도자 김정일 위원장이 모든 북한 주민들에게 무료로 제공했던 그 브랜드의 개 사료를 찾을 수 없었습니다. 작고 어두운 상자 속에서 다시 살아가려는 제 계획이 현명한지 조언해 주실 분 계신가요? 제가 실수하고 있다고 생각하신다면, 다른 나라에서는 팔지 않는 것 같은 제가 가장 좋아하는 개 사료 브랜드를 찾는 데 도움을 주실 수 있을까요? 그리고 탈출 후 사이언톨로지에 가입했는데, L. 론 허버드가 가장 좋아하는 개 사료 브랜드가 무엇이었는지, 그리고 북한에 고급 조직이 있는지 아시는 분 계신가요? 저는 정말 OT가 되어 론 허버드가 발견한 놀랍도록 유용한 세탄, 엔그램, 임플란트에 대해 더 자세히 알아보고 싶습니다. 감사합니다!​

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Hello. I recently escaped from a North Korean concentration camp where I was held for 27 years in a tiny box without any light and starved by only being allowed a little cup of dog food each week. Now that I am in another country, I am thinking of going back to North Korea because it seems that they have some excellent goals to help make everyone in that country totally free and super-rich. Since escaping, I also have not been able to find that particular brand of dog food that our dear leader Kim Jon Il provided to all North Korean citizens completely free. Can anyone offer advice about whether my plan to go back to living in a small dark box is wise? If you think I am making a mistake, perhaps you can help me find my favorite brand of dog food which doesn't seem to be sold in other countries. Also, since escaping I joined Scientology and I am wondering if anyone can tell me what L. Ron Hubbard's favorite brand of dog food is-- and if there are any advanced orgs in North Korea--since I really want to become an OT and find out more about the wonderfully helpful thetans, engrams and implants that Ron discovered. Thanks!​

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[PirateAndBum]

CoS will not specifically address your past life recalls. They will just program you to do the grade chart actions. They never address what you want to handle, they only C/S your case to follow the "standard" bridge.

At best they would give you a C/S 53 or a Green Form correction list.

I do not recommend going to the CoS for anything. You will be sorry you did eventually.

 

[Noteta]

CoS non si occuperà specificamente dei tuoi ricordi di vite passate. Ti programmerà semplicemente per eseguire le azioni previste dalla tabella dei gradi. Non affronterà mai ciò che vuoi gestire, si limiterà a C/S il tuo caso per seguire il bridge "standard".

Nella migliore delle ipotesi ti darebbero un C/S 53 o un elenco di correzioni Green Form.

Non consiglio di andare al CoS per nessun motivo. Prima o poi te ne pentirai.
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What do you recommend me to do?

 

[Type4_PTS]

But they here true?

Non capisco cosa mi stai chiedendo.
(I don't understand what you're asking me.)

 

[The_Fixer]

A point to remember about dealing with the CoS.

The Church always comes first. Absolutely always.

They need people to survive. But they are like the coal that feeds the boiler's fires.

People are sucked in on the conveyor belt and thrown into the firebox to be consumed and come out as ashes scattered to the winds.

As an individual in there, you are really just fuel for the fires, nothing much more than that. If you do manage to rise above the other pieces of coal as having the potential of more contribution than that, then the pressure and the abuses ramp up with it, especially as you rise higher and higher. Much later on (or less sometimes), once you have been crushed, you will still get thrown back on the conveyor to be consumed in the flames. It's just a longer journey for the same result.

The stories of Mike Rinder and many others who rose in the ranks will tell you all about that.

That is why everyone here is telling you to look elsewhere. Keep your emotions in check and look at whatever you are going to go into with a critical and discerning eye. Know the red flags.

I don't think you quite know some of these things yet, simply because you are tempted to go into the Church for help. That's a major red flag there.

May I ask what end result you are searching for? The past lives thing you were talking about is only an obstacle for you, not what you are looking for, if I am reading you correctly.

 

[Noteta]

Un punto da tenere a mente quando si ha a che fare con la CoS.

La Chiesa viene sempre prima. Assolutamente sempre.

Hanno bisogno delle persone per sopravvivere. Ma sono come il carbone che alimenta il fuoco della caldaia.

Le persone vengono risucchiate dal nastro trasportatore e gettate nella fornace, dove vengono consumate e ne escono in cenere, disperse al vento.

Come individuo lì dentro, sei solo combustibile per il fuoco, niente di più. Se riesci a distinguerti dagli altri pezzi di carbone, avendo il potenziale per dare un contributo maggiore, allora la pressione e gli abusi aumentano di pari passo, soprattutto man mano che sali sempre più in alto. Molto più tardi (o a volte anche meno), una volta schiacciato, verrai comunque ributtato sul nastro trasportatore per essere consumato dalle fiamme. È solo un viaggio più lungo per ottenere lo stesso risultato.

Le storie di Mike Rinder e di molti altri che hanno fatto carriera vi racconteranno tutto questo.

Ecco perché tutti qui vi dicono di guardare altrove. Tenete a freno le vostre emozioni e osservate qualsiasi cosa stiate per affrontare con occhio critico e perspicace. Riconoscete i segnali d'allarme.

Credo che tu non conosca ancora bene alcune di queste cose, semplicemente perché sei tentato di rivolgerti alla Chiesa per chiedere aiuto. Questo è un segnale d'allarme importante.

Posso chiederti quale risultato finale stai cercando? La questione delle vite passate di cui parlavi è solo un ostacolo per te, non quello che stai cercando, se ho capito bene.
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Cerco la pace interiore e non vorrei più pensare a Scn.
È un'ossessione.

 

[PirateAndBum]

Cerco la pace interiore e non vorrei più pensare a Scn.
È un'ossessione.

Maybe listening to some Rupert Spira would help you Rupert Spira:

 

[Noteta]

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Forse ascoltare un po' di Rupert Spira potrebbe aiutarti. Rupert Spira :
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Thank you, Rupert Spira is very interested!

 

[The_Fixer]

Yes, Scientology would be the last place for you to look at if you are searching for inner peace.

There are many more avenues out there, but in my own opinion, much of it is really just a waste of time and resources.

I also feel the best way to inner peace is be aware of yourself, your surroundings and the people around you and not to look tooo hard at all this. The more you search, the more elusive things become.

If you must look further, remember that Scientology is not the only cult and con job out there. There are so many others. Get yourself aware of the red flags and become aware before you even go there. It is better to miss a potential real deal than to tangle yourself up in those other things that you will eventually end up having to take considerable time and effort to unravel the harm they do to you.

Some of us here have done fairly well after leaving, but there are still some who struggle every day with the harm done. Depends upon the person. Scientology has some bits of truth in it, but it isn't worth trying to sort the good from the bad. Just go somewhere else.

saluti e buona fortuna!