Heber Jentzsch, 90, Scientology's longtime 'president,' dies in nursing home

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TONY ORTEGA
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[Heber in one of his last public appearances, the 2006 “Maiden Voyage” event]

We heard last night from Karen de la Carriere that her former husband, Heber Jentzsch, the longtime nominal “president” of the Church of Scientology International, died at a nursing home that he had been moved to some years ago from Scientology’s international management base near Hemet, California.

Heber was a legendary figure in Scientology, one of its most recognizable executives and well-liked by both his fellow Scientologists as well as journalists he cultivated as the church’s spokesman in the 1980s and 1990s.

But his title as president didn’t mean very much as Scientology’s actual leader, David Miscavige, ran things as “chairman of the board” of the Religious Technology Center and captain of the Sea Organization after founder L. Ron Hubbard’s death in 1986.

Karen and others had told us that beginning in the early 2000s, Miscavige reduced Heber’s role and belittled him in front of other executives, and increasingly Heber became less and less visible at events.

And then he was among the top executives who found themselves prisoners in the “SP Hole,” which Miscavige created in early 2004 for the “SPs,” or “suppressive persons” that he suspected were among his formerly most trusted aids.

Mike Rinder was a prisoner of the Hole in 2006 and 2007, and he confirmed to us that Heber was one of the inmates in the ersatz jail, which existed in a former office on the grounds of the base, which is known as either Int Base or Gold Base.

The Hole’s existence was revealed by the Tampa Bay Times in 2009, by which time Heber and others had already spent five years in confinement. But after that exposure by the press, the original circumstances of the Hole were later abandoned. After Valerie Haney escaped from Int Base in 2016, she reported that the Hole still existed in another form, and that Heber was among its inmates. She said she witnessed Heber, then about 80 years old, being forced to make videos extolling Miscavige’s leadership, and that he had to be propped upright with a board to straighten his back during the filming.

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TONY ORTEGA
Excerpt:

[Heber in one of his last public appearances, the 2006 “Maiden Voyage” event]



We heard last night from Karen de la Carriere that her former husband, Heber Jentzsch, the longtime nominal “president” of the Church of Scientology International, died at a nursing home that he had been moved to some years ago from Scientology’s international management base near Hemet, California.

Heber was a legendary figure in Scientology, one of its most recognizable executives and well-liked by both his fellow Scientologists as well as journalists he cultivated as the church’s spokesman in the 1980s and 1990s.

But his title as president didn’t mean very much as Scientology’s actual leader, David Miscavige, ran things as “chairman of the board” of the Religious Technology Center and captain of the Sea Organization after founder L. Ron Hubbard’s death in 1986.

Karen and others had told us that beginning in the early 2000s, Miscavige reduced Heber’s role and belittled him in front of other executives, and increasingly Heber became less and less visible at events.

And then he was among the top executives who found themselves prisoners in the “SP Hole,” which Miscavige created in early 2004 for the “SPs,” or “suppressive persons” that he suspected were among his formerly most trusted aids.

Mike Rinder was a prisoner of the Hole in 2006 and 2007, and he confirmed to us that Heber was one of the inmates in the ersatz jail, which existed in a former office on the grounds of the base, which is known as either Int Base or Gold Base.

The Hole’s existence was revealed by the Tampa Bay Times in 2009, by which time Heber and others had already spent five years in confinement. But after that exposure by the press, the original circumstances of the Hole were later abandoned. After Valerie Haney escaped from Int Base in 2016, she reported that the Hole still existed in another form, and that Heber was among its inmates. She said she witnessed Heber, then about 80 years old, being forced to make videos extolling Miscavige’s leadership, and that he had to be propped upright with a board to straighten his back during the filming.

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Sorry to hear about all of this. I never audited Heber, but I spent many hours word clearing him in my spare time. He was a true believer,
at least in the 70's when I was around. I have to wonder how his perspective changed over the years

 
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I'm sorry to hear that about Heber. I know everyone was hoping his final days were happy, tolerable, and not cruel. I like to envision he had his own apt and could remain mobile.

I spend five hours a day now, visiting the nursing home where my brother put our mom to convalesce, 3 weeks now already. The lucid are wheeled to sit near those who are not. Her situation there is temporary.
Fewer things are actually remedial for those in advanced years. The meals, exercise programs, and personal time spent on them, are meager. You become aware that your presence is assuring staffers keep patient and remain on their best behavior.

Residents in these places seem to get recurring pneumonia and the same accidental bumps and bruises as before they went in . Without visiting family to push for their needs they're left to linger in community room chairs. There are so many helpless, vacant stares. It's like a warehouse. They no longer squeeze joy from life's moments.
 
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I'm sorry to hear that about Heber. I know everyone was hoping his final days were happy, tolerable, and not cruel. I like to envision he had his own apt and could remain mobile.

I spend five hours a day now, visiting the nursing home where my brother put our mom to convalesce, 3 weeks now already. The lucid are wheeled to sit near those who are not. Her situation there is temporary.
Fewer things are actually remedial for those in advanced years. The meals, exercise programs, and personal time spent on them, are meager. You become aware that your presence is assuring staffers keep patient and remain on their best behavior.

Residents in these places seem to get recurring pneumonia and the same accidental bumps and bruises as before they went in . Without visiting family to push for their needs they're left to linger in community room chairs. There are so many helpless, vacant stares. It's like a warehouse. They no longer squeeze joy from life's moments.
I think its sad that, at least in American society, the elderly are sent off to a strange place rather than living with and being cared for by family, and its become a very expensive multi-million (or billion) $ industry where the housing, care and attention, already inherently disturbing for being an environment of strangers, is compromised by maximizing profit through underspending on the training quality and quantity of the people doing the caregiving, like having one waitress for 30 tables. Relatives are outraged and pressuring the overwhelmed and under prepared caretakers, affecting their feelings and attitudes in ways that diminish their empathy for those on their charge. I've seen this play out, its not a good system.
 
I think its sad that, at least in American society, the elderly are sent off to a strange place rather than living with and being cared for by family, and its become a very expensive multi-million (or billion) $ industry where the housing, care and attention, already inherently disturbing for being an environment of strangers, is compromised by maximizing profit through underspending on the training quality and quantity of the people doing the caregiving, like having one waitress for 30 tables. Relatives are outraged and pressuring the overwhelmed and under prepared caretakers, affecting their feelings and attitudes in ways that diminish their empathy for those on their charge. I've seen this play out, its not a good system.


It's the same in Australia Dex ... occasionally a celebrity (an older one who can perhaps see their own future looming) will try to do something about the awful stuff they feed the elderly in many of those places but so far nothing has changed. I'll fling myself off a cliff before being dumped placed in one of those "maximum security twilight homes" if the time ever comes ... there are some excellent ones but the cost is of course outrageous. There was a call for cameras to be placed in the bedrooms so family could check that their loved ones were being treated properly by the staff, some secretly hidden cameras certainly proved otherwise and shocked the nation, but that would also be a privacy issue for the residents so I'm not sure how individual families must deal with that.
 
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Unlike Miscavige, Heber was universally loved by everyone both outside and inside Scientology. When I first joined the Sea Org in 1984 Heber and I shared the same table in the CMO lunch room and I often sat across from him. Heber was regarded as a hero because he spoke for the underdog. Scientologists felt he represented the real Scientology, which was lighthearted, insouciant yet deeply caring for his fellowman. Heber was generous, friendly, funny, sincere and was a beacon of humanity to others. So of course David Miscavige absolutely despised him and in the late '90s early 2000s waged a hate campaign against him to propagandize Heber as subhuman. Miscavige only spoke of Heber with vile derision characterizing him as utterly useless and calling him "Grandpa" to stigmatize him as over the hill. Heber was shoved onto the sidelines, robbed of all responsibilities, banned from speaking in public. As we all know, if there's one thing a dicktator can't stand, it's a rival. Heber is yet another casualty of the Darkness within Scientology. My sincere condolences go out to Karen and all who knew Heber.
 
Miscavige will die some day, and be separated from his humanity. What a relief that burden could be to him.

The old cannot always lobby well for themselves, and often can't find their words. Watching them show signs they need attention from any passersby is heartbreaking. It can be unwise for visitors to keep ringing their nurse. I hope Heber, when he got away from the mockery, was among more decent folks like himself, who understood everybody's situation.

Our economy is in trouble and we could lose the dollar which enables families to pay those trained to help with dementia. Luckily, now we're authorizing programs to enable seniors who are Medicaid subsidized to be kept living in their own homes. Grandkids get the jobs in rotating shifts. I'm happy for them, yet now worry fraudulent schemes could get worse.

Evaluating costs for nursing home care, it's astounding families wouldn't elect one loving caregiver from among them, and rescue inheritance from these investment corporations. But, many times, infirmed, if they can afford it, don't want to be a burden on their family.

Many of the well cared for aged sharing our dining table pay staggering amounts for their assisted residence. Almost surreal in a world where middle class has disappeared, and other seniors live on the street. Seems almost forgivable that in Calif, an underground economy churns with illegals taking on roles as caregivers and personal aides. Lower tier nursing home patients, left to sit and shout at the air and peeling off their clothes could use some one on one, instead of indifferent staff workers weary from a roster of daily obligations.
 
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What was Heber's title before he became president? I remember him being a big shot while I was in, and I left in 1981, which according to the article is before he became president. So what was he before that?
 
It was an official title. Had a fancy looking outfit too
Can you document that claim somehow? (I recall John McMaster being called 'The Pope of scn', but it certainly wasn't an official title and there was no fancy outfit.)
 
It was an official title. Had a fancy looking outfit too

First I've heard of the Cardinal Title.... I kinda remember the outfit..... Was it robes with a large Cross?

But.....It has always pissed me off that Scientology has usurped so much Christian Terminology....

And it upsets me that the Media has gone along with the ruse.....sometimes including Tony Ortega....
 
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Referring to LRH, David Mayo liked to remind us that sometimes you stood in good favor, then suddenly, his mind changed, and you were not.

 
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No I can't document it.
For the right price, I know a guy. He's been pretty busy working for political parties on social media, but I could make a call. If the money's right, he can provide irrefutable proof that you are the rightful heir to the throne of England. Or arcturus, if you're so inclined.
 
For the right price, I know a guy. He's been pretty busy working for political parties on social media, but I could make a call. If the money's right, he can provide irrefutable proof that you are the rightful heir to the throne of England. Or arcturus, if you're so inclined.
I made that request realizing that there was a certain risk attached.
 
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