Type4_PTS
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OK, you're right, that appears to be fake. I just deleted it from my post above.
That said, I suspect that Fordow IS gone.
BREAKING NEWS Israel launches 'preemptive strikes' on Iran as Netanyahu vows Jewish state won't be 'victim of a nuclear holocaust' and declares 'speci
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OK, you're right, that appears to be fake. I just deleted it from my post above.
That said, I suspect that Fordow IS gone.
Reyne Mayer
Pansexual Revolutionary
i found a pretty good assessment of the Iranian nuclear situation in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, including unfavorable details of recent actions by the regime -- but also a sobering note that they had claimed to have a new secret facility.
one thing that i don't think has gotten much coverage, is that until at least about a week to ten days ago, there were still IAEA inspectors in Iran who were able to do some inspections, and had a fairly good idea of how much enriched material Iran had and where.
thebulletin.org
one thing that i don't think has gotten much coverage, is that until at least about a week to ten days ago, there were still IAEA inspectors in Iran who were able to do some inspections, and had a fairly good idea of how much enriched material Iran had and where.
The United States may destroy the Fordow enrichment plant. It won’t make the Iranian nuclear threat go away
If Israel decides to continue down the military path against Iran’s nuclear program, it has no choice but to ensure that the Fordow enrichment plant no longer poses a threat.
thebulletin.org
Hatshepsut
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U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Dan Caine to have a sit down at 8 a.m. tomorrow morning.
Trump's message to the people was brief tonight. He probably will share what he is informed about tomorrow.
Trump's message to the people was brief tonight. He probably will share what he is informed about tomorrow.
I told you I was trouble
Suspended animation.
Scary, scary times but I believe President Trump has absolutely done the right thing ... Iran will of course have planned for this and I daresay all hell will be let loose all across the western world but it was always going to happen anyway eventually ... at least the USA finally has a real leader who takes no prisoners, even though he is clearly anti-war.
Let's hope Iran becomes free again soon and the lunatics get to go to wherever they imagine they will go to rape imaginary virgins ... that seems to be the main goal they have in common.
Let's hope Iran becomes free again soon and the lunatics get to go to wherever they imagine they will go to rape imaginary virgins ... that seems to be the main goal they have in common.
Hatshepsut
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Are we going to help with an office of the Crown Prince? We need to watch it. We were accused of installing Poroshenko in Ukraine in order to get that regime change.
Isaac
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Perhaps the Brainwashed youth believing lies propaganda about Trump and America want to handle the evil dictatorship on their own, which is not possible.I hope it's a wise move. I've seen reports that Iran has had sleeper cells in the U.S. for decades, so hopefully we don't see much blowback from this.
While most Iranians would probably celebrate if the Ayatollah gets hit directly with a bomb, they are more divided about getting help from the U.S. Here's an article that goes a bit into that situation.
Iranian opposition supporters grapple with US and Israeli regime change plans
‘We want freedom on our own terms,’ says one Tehran resident, while another writes, ‘Someone is helping us’
Iranian opposition supporters grapple with US and Israeli regime change plans
‘We want freedom on our own terms,’ says one Tehran resident, while another writes, ‘Someone is helping us’www.theguardian.com
Excerpt:
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The prospect of imminent US involvement in an Israeli bombing campaign, which is suggested to be in pursuit of regime change, has laid bare deep divides in Iran’s population, even among the opposition. Many are deeply suspicious of the US’s intentions in Iran, which has a bitter history of foreign adventurism gone awry. Others do not care who is the one to topple the government.
A large portion of Iran’s population is bitterly opposed to the government, which has only grown more repressive as the country slips deeper into economic crisis. Just two weeks ago, much of Iran was paralysed by a nationwide strike in protest at the dismal economic situation.
To some of the opposition, anything that could topple the Iranian government is welcome, whether it comes from street protests or US bunker busters.
Mehnaz said: “Yes, we’ll probably have massive destruction in Tehran and other cities, but this regime will fall – and then we can rebuild everything again.”
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Iran has a long history of foreign intervention that has left the population suspicious of offers of help.
A 1953 coup that deposed the democratically elected prime minister, Mohammad Mosaddegh, was backed by the CIA and MI6 to protect western oil interests. The intelligence plot features heavily in the national narrative of the current government, which overthrew the western-backed Shah of Iran in the country’s 1979 revolution.
The more recent 21st-century history of US adventurism in the Middle East has inspired further scepticism among Iranians.
“Look at Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq – they destroyed the countries, then walked away. It’s funny how they call this ‘exporting democracy’ while they always have paralysed all the democratic institutions in those countries,” Abbas*, a 26-year-old artist from west Tehran, said.
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Full article at link above
After the years of oppression, murder, torture
and abuse to the people by the Iranian regime - the people have failed to stop this evil Leadership…
So who would not want help from anyone willing to help?
I believe the majority will welcome it
What I want to know is this true about these Democrats giving Iran money and support for this?
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Hatshepsut
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Why are so many Iranians in Los Angeles? 'Scuza me......Persians.
HelluvaHoax!
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Agree that Trump did the right thing.
There were essentially only two choices:
1. Destroy Iran's nuclear capability before they can use them in a war vs. Israel and the USA.
2. Don't destroy Iran's nuclear capability and then fight a war with Iran after they have nuclear bombs loaded on ICBMs.
The West is drowning in amateurish clowns like AOC, Kamala Harris and others across the entire woke industrial complex of grifters who don't care what happens to the voters as long as they themselves are rich and safe. Thus, all such stealth terrorists are now giving hysterical speeches and sound bites about how Iran's nuclear facilities should not have been harmed. Unless THEY (as politicians) voted for it. Well, they never would have voted for it and even if the majority HAD voted for it, large numbers of fanatical leftists in Congress and the CIA and the FBI and the Military and NSA would have LEAKED THE ATTACK INFORMATION TO IRAN SO THEY COULD TAKE ANY POSSIBLE DEFENSIVE MEASURES AGAINST THE COMING ATTACK.
A little bit less than 50% of American voters absolutely LOVE these clown imposters. Those voters don't have any clue about what the political and media clowns are saying. They don't know what is happening in the middle east. All they know is that the left clowns like Obama and Harris and Biden and others say things in their speeches that sound "kinda nice". And the moronic speech givers always condemn DJT because he is "not nice". He's "literally worse than Hitler", in fact.
If Hitler were alive today he would be running a country. That country would be engaged in trying to kills Jews and Americans. Hey, just like Germany during world war 2, what a coincidence. And if Hitler was alive that country would probably spreading their terrorism to other countries like Palestine, Lebanon, Yemen and others. Wow, just like Iran, another coincidence. And if Hitler was running such a terrorist state they would be developing a nuclear weapon. Wow, another coincidence. And all the clown wokists would be saying that it's a "war crime" for the USA to destroy modern day Hitler's nuclear production facilities.
Then when tens or hundreds of millions of people are murdered by modern day Hitler shooting his nuclear warhead missiles at all western nations, the woke clowns would shake their heads and dimly think: "Gee, maybe somebody should have stopped Hitler before he had nuclear weapons." After that 5 second interruption (and micro-moment of clouded clarity) they would go back to watching their favorite tv game show.
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Reyne Mayer
Pansexual Revolutionary
who knows what facts are exactly at this point. maybe something in between?
Iran denies serious damage to Fordow site after US strikes
Iran has denied claims of significant damage to its nuclear facilities following US airstrikes, stating that the Fordow site remains largely intact with no radioactive leaks. Iranian MP Mohammad Manan Raeisi assured the public that only minor structural damage occurred and that all sensitive...
www.samaa.tv
there have been questions all along, as to whether the US bombs really had enough penetrating ability. the track record against targets like the deep command and control parts of the Viet Cong tunnel complexes, or the Japanese at Mount Suribachi on Iwo Jima or the German front line bunker systems in WW1, is one of repeated over-estimation of capabilities and initial results against well dug-in opponents.....
the one thing that's likely the case is that as the Iranians say, they've moved their most highly enriched nuclear materials elsewhere.
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TheSneakster
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Uh-huh. Did you know there are Gamma Ray Telescopes in orbit that can see gamma ray sources in galaxies millions of light-years away ?
Guess what fissile Plutonium and Uranium emit with signature spectra ?
HelluvaHoax!
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who knows what facts are exactly at this point. maybe something in between?
Iran denies serious damage to Fordow site after US strikes
Iran has denied claims of significant damage to its nuclear facilities following US airstrikes, stating that the Fordow site remains largely intact with no radioactive leaks. Iranian MP Mohammad Manan Raeisi assured the public that only minor structural damage occurred and that all sensitive...
there have been questions all along, as to whether the US bombs really had enough penetrating ability. the track record against targets like the deep command and control parts of the Viet Cong tunnel complexes, or the Japanese at Mount Suribachi on Iwo Jima or the German front line bunker systems in WW1, is one of repeated over-estimation of capabilities and initial results against well dug-in opponents.....
the one thing that's likely the case is that as the Iranians say, they've moved their most highly enriched nuclear materials elsewhere.
Yes, much of the publicly released information about war is typically (and often intentionally) shrouded by two things:
1. The necessity to trick the enemy as a vital strategic element.
2. The "Fog Of War", where nobody knows WTF is going on until much later, if ever.
Despite respecting the above realities, there is a third factor that is the "Great Equalizer" (and arbiter) between what Iran claims and what the USA claims.
Enjoy. . .
LINK TO "THE GREAT EQUALIZER"
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HelluvaHoax!
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I don't know anything about that subject, so i did a quick search. If the AI response is correct, it wouldn't be possible to telescopically detect the movement of such materials on earth. I thought you might find this interesting. . . [and naturally there could theoretically be a new and alternative detection methodology , IP or emerging technology that are functional--but being kept super secret; in which case ChatGPT would not have access to or any knowledge of it. )
QUESTION ASKED: I read on an internet discussion that: "....there are Gamma Ray Telescopes in orbit that can see gamma ray sources in galaxies millions of light-years away. Guess what fissile Plutonium and Uranium emit with signature spectra ?" Would any of that allow the US or Israel to detect if Iran was moving such materials to new locations or even out of Iran for future safekeeping in the pursuit of nuclear weapons later?
ChatGPT said:
This is an interesting topic, but there are a few important clarifications and technical realities to consider regarding gamma-ray detection and whether space-based gamma-ray telescopes can be used to detect nuclear materials like uranium or plutonium from Earth orbit or beyond.
1. Gamma-Ray Telescopes in SpaceYes, there are space-based gamma-ray telescopes — like NASA's Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope and ESA's INTEGRAL — that detect high-energy photons (gamma rays) from extremely powerful astrophysical sources such as:
- Supernovae
- Black holes
- Gamma-ray bursts (GRBs)
- Active galactic nuclei
☢ 2. Emissions from Plutonium and Uranium
Fissile materials like Uranium-235 and Plutonium-239 do emit gamma rays, but:
- The energy levels and intensities are much lower than astrophysical sources.
- They emit discrete gamma lines that are detectable close to the source, especially with shielding removal or minimal obstruction.
🛰 3. Detection from Space?
The short answer is: No, current space-based gamma-ray telescopes cannot detect uranium or plutonium movement on Earth.
Why Not?
- The gamma-ray signals from fissile materials are too weak to detect from orbit.
- They are easily shielded (e.g., by lead or concrete, or even a few centimeters of dense material).
- Earth’s atmosphere also absorbs gamma rays — which is why gamma-ray telescopes have to be in space to look outward, not downward.
4. How Nuclear Material Detection Actually WorksTo detect the movement or presence of fissile materials, countries like the U.S. and Israel use:
- Human intelligence (HUMINT)
- Signals intelligence (SIGINT)
- Aerial or satellite imaging (IMINT)
- On-the-ground radiation detectors (e.g., at borders or facilities)
- Radiation portal monitors (at ports)
- Air sampling and environmental sensors (for signatures of enrichment or reactor operations)
ConclusionThe idea that gamma-ray telescopes in space could detect plutonium or uranium being moved by a country like Iran is scientifically incorrect. Those telescopes are designed to observe cosmic-scale phenomena, not clandestine terrestrial activities.
Instead, detecting nuclear material movement relies on a multilayered intelligence approach, combining ground-based sensors, satellites (for imagery, not gamma rays), and covert surveillance.
Let me know if you'd like a breakdown of specific satellite or sensor capabilities used for nuclear monitoring.
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BREAKING: Britain Prepares To JOIN War In Iran
Enthetan
Veteran of the Psychic Wars
Then again, we have no way of knowing how many drones we have flying around at low altitude sniffing for signs.
It’s correct that Earth’s atmosphere is opaque to X-rays and gamma rays (otherwise life on earth would have problems).
Earth's Atmospheric Shield
Electromagnetic radiation bombards Earth from all directions in the universe, the bulk of it from our own Sun. Only certain wavelengths of radiation get through to the surface because Earth's atmosphere reflects, absorbs, or scatters the rest. Oxygen and nitrogen atoms in the thermosphere absorb nearly all x-rays and gamma rays, the most energetic forms of light; the mesosphere and stratosphere screen the remainder. A significant portion of ultraviolet light entering the mesosphere and stratosphere is absorbed by ozone molecules, protecting us from lethal doses. At 10 miles, radiation of longer wavelengths--from visible through radio--enters the troposphere, where water vapor, trace gases, carbon dioxide, dust particles, and pollutants absorb the infrared. Long-wavelength radio waves slide right past these small particles, however, making the radio window one of the most transparent for astronomical observation.
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Type4_PTS
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This is a 2 1/2 minute video clip from a Richard Nixon interview......worth watching!
The Richard Nixon Foundation posted it onto YouTube at the end of 2023.
Richard Nixon's HONEST Take On The Shah of Iran
The Richard Nixon Foundation posted it onto YouTube at the end of 2023.
Richard Nixon's HONEST Take On The Shah of Iran
Reyne Mayer
Pansexual Revolutionary
Don't forget, even as recently as the war in Afghanistan:
make it appear the United States s winning the war when that s not the case
Did the Government Mislead the Public About the War in Afghanistan? | Council on Foreign Relations
America’s longest war continues not because of government deception but because successive presidents have judged the risks of withdrawal to be higher than the costs of commitment.
www.cfr.org
while i wouldn't necessarily trust Iranian sources, it's still actually possible that being on the ground there, they could actually be providing the best assessment (and note that even the Israelis -- closer to the action and more seasoned in the realities of trying to destroy enemy facilities, including underground -- are more measured in what they're saying than what the US administration is tweeting):
Images show "unusual" activity at Iran nuclear site before strikes
"Iran's key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated," President Donald Trump said on Saturday.
www.newsweek.com
consider how much good dropping close to 10 million tons of bombs did during the Vietnam war -- and what the public was told at various points about targets destroyed, body counts, etc.
some of y'all were around for that, right?
