Scientologirl - New Independent Scientologist

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Scientologirl
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"There are clearly a lot of angry people on here. . . "​
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"The bottom line is, if people are here and angry, either they've done wrong or they've been wronged..."​
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"And yes, even the trolls, there's a reason why they are here..."​

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As one of the "trolls" you officially declared, I'll respond.

Which definitions for the words "angry" and "troll" are you using?

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angry troll -noun: A former Scientologist who successfully escaped the cult hoax after being thoroughly lied to, tricked and defrauded---and for no reason at all refuses to agree with Ron and share their success story and wins.​
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ps: Fraud victims don't "blow" scientology because "they've done wrong". Your so called stable datum is part of the fraud. Blind spots are a bitch, LOL. ​

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I thought she might be a little critical.

Oh miss, can you check below and see where that comes from????

I am a little no interest actually.


RUDS GOING OUT

When the ruds go out during the session the auditor recognizes the following:
Pc Critical = W/H from auditor
Pc Antagonistic = BPC in session
No TA = Problem
Tired = Failed Purpose or no sleep
Sad = ARC Break
Soaring TA = Overrun or Protest
Dope Off = By-passed F/N or not enough sleep
No Interest = Out Ruds or no interest in the first place.
 
I thought she might be a little critical.

Oh miss, can you check below and see where that comes from????

I am a little no interest actually.


RUDS GOING OUT

When the ruds go out during the session the auditor recognizes the following:
Pc Critical = W/H from auditor
Pc Antagonistic = BPC in session
No TA = Problem
Tired = Failed Purpose or no sleep
Sad = ARC Break
Soaring TA = Overrun or Protest
Dope Off = By-passed F/N or not enough sleep
No Interest = Out Ruds or no interest in the first place.
Or it could be that she's trapped in a prison of belief but doesn't know it. Anyway, she seems to have left the building - perhaps we're all a bit too uptone for her. :D

Her problem is we're well ahead of her in this game. She probably thinks 'those poor exes, they've taken themselves off of the road to total freedom, probably committed too many overts against scientology and have blown and forfeited their eternity', whereas most of us have been there and done that, and come out the other side. Speaking personally, I just feel sorry for her, I'm sure she's a nice person at heart.
 
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Actually you should read this. If you don't follow this, you will roller coaster or could possibly lose all your gains.

HCOPL: Policies on Physical Healing, Insanity and Sources of Trouble
HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO POLICY LETTER OF 27 OCTOBER 1964R1; 2; 3
Revised 15 November 1987​
Remimeo
All Staff
Missions
Academy Students
Field Auditors
FSMs
POLICIES ON PHYSICAL HEALING, INSANITY AND SOURCES OF TROUBLE
Cancels and replaces:
HCO PL 27 Oct. 64 POLICIES ON PHYSICAL HEALING, INSANITY AND “TROUBLESOME SOURCES”
HCO PL 27 Oct. 64 Reiss. 23.6.67 POLICIES ON PHYSICAL HEALING, INSANITY AND POTENTIAL TROUBLE SOURCES
HCO PL 21 Feb. 69 CANCELLATION OF “CORRECTIONS TO HCO POLICY LETTERS,” POL LTR OF NOVEMBER 5, 1964
HCO PL 7 May 69 POLICIES ON “SOURCES OF TROUBLE”
It has been the longstanding policy of Central Organizations to handle physical illness and insanity in the following manner.
HEALING
Any process labeled “healing,” old or new, refers to healing by mental and spiritual means and should therefore be looked upon as the relief of difficulties arising from mental and spiritual causes.
The proper procedure in being requested to heal some complained-of physical disability is as follows:
1. Require a physical examination from whatever practitioners of the physical healing arts may be competent and available;
2. Clearly establish that the disability does not stem from immediately physical causes;
3. If the disability is pronounced to be curable within the skill of the physical practitioner and is in actual fact a disease or illness which surrenders to contemporary physical treatment, to require the person to be so treated before Scientology processing may be undertaken;
4. If, however, the physical practitioner’s recommendation includes surgery or treatment of an unproven nature or the illness or disease cannot be accurately diagnosed as a specific physical illness or disease with a known cure, the person may be accepted for processing on the reasonable assumption that no purely physical illness is proven to exist, and that it is probably mental or spiritual in origin.

POLICIES REGARDING THE INSANE
With insane persons or persons with a proven record of insanity, do the following:
1. Establish to the best of your ability within reasonable administrative limits and known tests that any HGC pc accepted for processing does not have a history of deserved institutionalization in an insane asylum or similar place;
2. Process only those persons who have no such history;
3. Do not recommend any other treatment by practitioners in the field of insanity where there exists any evidence that such practitioners injure, disable or maltreat patients by violently reacting drugs, by painful shocks, surgery or other barbaric and outdated means of “mental treatment”;
4. If no recommendation is possible under (3) above, recommend only rest and a change of environment, but not in a professional capacity.

SOURCES OF TROUBLE
Policies similar to those regarding physical illness and insanity exist for types of persons who have caused us considerable trouble.
These persons can be grouped under “sources of trouble.” They include:
a. Persons intimately connected with persons (such as marital or familial ties) of known antagonism to mental or spiritual treatment or Scientology.
In practice such persons, even when they approach Scientology in a friendly fashion, have such pressure continually brought to bear upon them by persons with undue influence over them that they make very poor gains in processing, and their interest is solely devoted to proving the antagonistic element wrong.
They, by experience, produce a great deal of trouble in the long run as their own condition does not improve adequately under such stresses to effectively combat the antagonism. Their present time problem cannot be reached as it is continuous, and so long as it remains so, they should not be accepted for auditing by any organization or auditor.
b. Criminals with proven criminal records often continue to commit so many undetected harmful acts between sessions that they do not make adequate case gains and therefore should not be accepted for processing by organizations or auditors.
c. Persons who have ever threatened to sue or embarrass or attack or who have publicly attacked Scientology or been a party to an attack and all their immediate families should never be accepted for processing by a Central Organization or an auditor. They have a history of only serving other ends than case gain and commonly again turn on the organization or auditor. They have already barred themselves out by their own overts against Scientology and are thereafter too difficult to help, since they cannot openly accept help from those they have tried to injure.
d. Responsible-for-condition cases have been traced back to other causes for their condition too often to be acceptable. By responsible-for-condition cases is meant the person who insists a book or some auditor is “wholly responsible for the terrible condition I am in.” Such cases demand unusual favors, free auditing, tremendous effort on the part of auditors. Review of these cases show that they were in the same or worse condition long before auditing, that they are using a planned campaign to obtain auditing for nothing, that they are not as bad off as they claim, and that their antagonism extends to anyone who seeks to help them, even their own families. Establish the rights of the matter and decide accordingly.
e. Persons who are not being audited on their own determinism are a liability as they are forced into being processed by some other person and have no personal desire to become better. Quite on the contrary, they usually want only to prove the person who wants them audited wrong and so do not get better. Until a personally determined goal to be processed occurs, the person will not benefit.
f. Persons who “want to be processed to see if Scientology works” as their only reason for being audited have never been known to make gains as they do not participate. News reporters fall into this category. They should not be audited.
g. Persons who claim that “if you help such and such a case” (at great and your expense) because somebody is rich or influential or the neighbors would be electrified should be ignored. Processing is designed for bettering individuals, not progressing by stunts or giving cases undue importance.
Process only at convenience and usual arrangements. Make no extraordinary effort at the expense of other persons who do want processing for normal reasons. Not one of these arrangements has ever come off successfully as it has the unworthy goal of notoriety, not betterment.
h. Persons who “have an open mind” but no personal hopes or desires for auditing or knowingness should be ignored, as they really don’t have an open mind at all, but a lack of ability to decide about things and are seldom found to be very responsible and waste anyone’s efforts “to convince them.”
i. Persons who do not believe anything or anyone can get better. They have a purpose for being audited entirely contrary to the auditor’s and so, in this conflict, do not benefit. When such persons are trained, they use their training to degrade others. Thus, they should not be accepted for training or auditing.
j. Persons attempting to sit in judgment on Scientology in hearings or attempting to investigate Scientology should be given no undue importance. One should not seek to instruct or assist them in any way. This includes judges, boards, newspaper reporters, magazine writers, etc. All efforts to be helpful or instructive have done nothing beneficial, as their first idea is a firm “I don’t know” and this usually ends with an equally firm “I don’t know.” If a person can’t see for himself or judge from the obvious, then he does not have sufficient powers of observation even to sort out actual evidence. In legal matters, only take the obvious effective steps-carry on no crusades in court. In the matter of reporters, etc., it is not worthwhile to give them any time, contrary to popular belief. They are given their story before they leave their editorial rooms and you only strengthen what they have to say by saying anything. They are no public communication line that sways much. Policy is very definite. Ignore.
To summarize sources of trouble, the policy in general is to cut communication, as the longer it is extended the more trouble they are. I know of no case where the types of persons listed above were handled by auditing or instruction.
I know of many cases where they were handled by firm legal stands, by ignoring them until they changed their minds, or just turning one’s back.
In applying such a policy of cut-communication, one must also use judgment as there are exceptions in all things, and to fail to handle a person’s momentary upset in life or with us can be quite fatal. So these policies refer to nonScientology persons in the main or persons who appear on the outer fringes and push toward us. When such a person bears any of the above designations, we and the many are better off to ignore them.
Scientology works. You don’t have to prove it to everyone. People don’t deserve to have Scientology as a divine right, you know. They have to earn it. This has been true in every philosophy that sought to better man.
And the less enturbulence you put on your lines, the better, and the more people you will eventually help.

THE STRESS OF POLICY
All the above “sources of trouble” are also forbidden training, and when a person being trained or audited is detected to belong under the above headings (a) to (j), he or she should be advised to terminate and accept refund which must be paid at once and the full explanation should be given them at that time. Thus, the few may not, in their own turmoil, impede service to and the advance of the many.
Scientology is an applied philosophy designed and developed to make the able more able. In this sphere it is tremendously successful.
Efforts to involve philosophy with medical imperialism, psychiatric sadism, the bigoted churchman, bring about a slowing of our progress.
These people are sick spiritually because of their own continuous harmful actions against patients and the society and are beyond our normal means to help.
These policies will continue in existence until such time as those interested care to invest the time and treasure necessary to build the institutions and reeducate the professions which now practice medical and physical mental healing, and this is definitely not within our time, but would belong to some remote future when more men are sane.
However, such a program would depend upon the continued existence of the medical imperialist and the psychiatrist, and as their more reprehensible activities are rather new and very radical, they may be abandoned by public and government long before Scientology could help them. This is probably the more likely occurrence as even in Russia the communist has now forsworn all violent treatments of the insane according to their delegates to the London Medical Conference of this year, and Russian practitioners look with contempt and scorn upon the Western psychiatrist. The medical doctor of England, taken over by socialism, has lost his ambition for medical imperialism and has no contest with Scientology. In the United States the American Medical Association has become locked in mortal combat with the government and probably will be socialized entirely in a few years due to fee abuses and lack of gains. The medical doctor remains strong only in more backward small nations such as Australia where world trends are late in arriving.
Even the Church in Rome is considering a surrender of principles and amalgamation with other faiths in an effort to save a dwindling religious membership.
Thus, there may be no medical practitioner as we know him left in a few decades. Membership in the psychiatric profession is declining.
In the place of these institutions, if we ever get around to them, we may find ourselves dealing with completely different practices in the fields of physical healing and the treatment of the insane. All we ask of them is that they are competent in their treatments and less greedy for monopoly than their predecessors. And if this is so, then our policies will then remain fully in force, but in a spirit of cooperation, not with the desire to protect ourselves and the public from them and the products of their bungling.
Ours are the powerful communication lines. They are powerful because they are theta lines. Entheta (enturbulated theta) obtains all its apparent power by being parasitic on theta lines. Only when you add the power of our lines to the weakness of entheta lines can they then have strength.
Example: It was the FCDC communication to its own field about that government raid that (a) cost the most in cash and (b) did the most damage. You can actually ignore an entheta line in almost all cases without the faintest consequence. It only has power when we let it have power by answering it.

L. Ron Hubbard
Founder
 
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What turns it on will turn it off.


We should probably give that an honorary place on the all time super-stupid list.

Because. . .

LRH FACT: "What turns it on turns it off"

SCIENTIFIC FACT: "What turns it on turns it on"

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Or it could be that she's trapped in a prison of belief but doesn't know it. Anyway, she seems to have left the building - perhaps we're all a bit too uptone for her. :D

Her problem is we're well ahead of her in this game. She probably thinks 'those poor exes, they've taken themselves off of the road to total freedom, probably committed too many overts against scientology and have blown and forfeited their eternity', whereas most of us have been there and done that, and come out the other side. Speaking personally, I just feel sorry for her, I'm sure she's a nice person at heart.
well said.
 
Whew, so much to respond to. There are clearly a lot of angry people on here, but to the ones who weren't all charged up and swinging, thanks again for having me here.

I stand corrected with there being a third type, so thank you for that. The bottom line is, if people are here and angry, either they've done wrong or they've been wronged, and now finally, they could have witnessed others being wronged.

I wish I could reflect on all the positive things our org is and does, but that's my opinion and everyone's got them right? I'm not sure why I really decided to come here but the gist was: curiosity. That has been filled until there's another post about me.

Look, from one person to another, or several, I am sorry that bad shit happened, not just abuses but that my religion didn't work for you and now you're here. I don't know if that could amount to anything, but regardless, nobody deserves to be stuck in a cycle of pain. And yes, even the trolls, there's a reason why they are here and they probably need more love than any of us. Yeah yeah, call me a hippie.

I was raised in a Christian family, who later found Buddhism and, while they along with several other self-help methods have shown that they can work, Scientology thus far has seemed to just make sense and resonates with me. I don't have anyone holding a proverbial gun to my head when I study or do auditing, nor do I think LRH was a saint, nor do I believe in every last drop of it, but for me, in my "infant stage" as someone pointed out, I have so many wins that it is impossible to ignore. Now we can all go on hating each other because our realities are different, or we can just accept that maybe Scientology is just not for everyone, and that doesn't make anyone less of who they are on either side. I may be corrected on this with some policy but statistics prove otherwise, sorry, LRH.

As requested by admin, there won't be a back and forth, and maybe this message is anticlimactic but I don't have the narrow viewpoint of "you're wrong and I'm right" - each to their own.

Thanks to those who stuck up for me, and those who were nice enough to not be an asshole, you're really sweet.


I believe the issue you could be running into here and possibly anywhere else where you try to teach people how they should/could improve their lives, is simply that the world is already full of left wing ranting idiots, attention seeking wannabes and cancel-culture twerps intent of teaching (or forcing!) us all how we must now think, added to that is the fact that most of us have already trodden the 'know best' road ourselves (as scientologists) and now cringe slightly whenever recalling it.

I don't need to hear even one more 'helpful' lecture via book, video or even delivered 'subtly' in message board posts. The world is currently imploding and many of us are seriously concerned about it, not necessarily for ourselves but for future generations, like yours.

Any decent person living in today's world must be sickened or bored rigid by the influx of know-alls and because we know pretty much how you are thinking (as a scientologist) we can either 'play nice' (and let you have a few wins) or tell you how we really feel knowing that you will eventually wander off shaking your head because you already have all the answers at your fingertips, you are getting them (as we did before you) from a twisted, vicious, psych drug filled, narcissistic, and now dead cult guru ... who had hideously rotten teeth.

:whistle:

I believe life without scientology is fabulous. I'm not bitter or angry, though I'm capable of both (along with all emotions and attitudes) ... I chose to become a scientologist when very young (as most people were) and I paid for it in more ways than with mere money but life is very good now and apart from being worried about the way the world is going I'm loving being completely free of dominating, manipulative, know best culty tossers who stare excessively at others and think they're confronting reality.

:D

You sound like a very nice girl to me (none of the above is aimed at you) and I like your humour, I watched a bit of one of your videos ... I wish you the best, you could be living a far worse life. There are many nasty vices and traps just waiting and you have avoided them by the sound of things and that is something to be proud of. Thanks for your interest in us but we are just people getting on with our lives, most of whom were once involved in scientology and the reason we choose to come here and chat and laugh is because we can, we (mostly) like each other and we don't have to justify or explain a single thought, feeling or attitude to a scientologist ever again.
 
I believe the issue you could be running into here and possibly anywhere else where you try to teach people how they should/could improve their lives, is simply that the world is already full of left wing ranting idiots, attention seeking wannabes and cancel-culture twerps intent of teaching (or forcing!) us all how we must now think, added to that is the fact that most of us have already trodden the 'know best' road ourselves (as scientologists) and now cringe slightly whenever recalling it.

I don't need to hear even one more 'helpful' lecture via book, video or even delivered 'subtly' in message board posts. The world is currently imploding and many of us are seriously concerned about it, not necessarily for ourselves but for future generations, like yours.

Any decent person living in today's world must be sickened or bored rigid by the influx of know-alls and because we know pretty much how you are thinking (as a scientologist) we can either 'play nice' (and let you have a few wins) or tell you how we really feel knowing that you will eventually wander off shaking your head because you already have all the answers at your fingertips, you are getting them (as we did before you) from a twisted, vicious, psych drug filled, narcissistic, and now dead cult guru ... who had hideously rotten teeth.

:whistle:

I believe life without scientology is fabulous. I'm not bitter or angry, though I'm capable of both (along with all emotions and attitudes) ... I chose to become a scientologist when very young (as most people were) and I paid for it in more ways than with mere money but life is very good now and apart from being worried about the way the world is going I'm loving being completely free of dominating, manipulative, know best culty tossers who stare excessively at others and think they're confronting reality.

:D

You sound like a very nice girl to me (none of the above is aimed at you) and I like your humour, I watched a bit of one of your videos ... I wish you the best, you could be living a far worse life. There are many nasty vices and traps just waiting and you have avoided them by the sound of things and that is something to be proud of. Thanks for your interest in us but we are just people getting on with our lives, most of whom were once involved in scientology and the reason we choose to come here and chat and laugh is because we can, we (mostly) like each other and we don't have to justify or explain a single thought, feeling or attitude to a scientologist ever again.



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I don't have one, I guess. Right now, just to be interested.


It's OK to be interested, including interested in Scientology.

This song was written by Mike Heron before he became involved with Scientology.

Here he is performing it years after leaving Scientology.

Heron, speaking of his involvement with Scientology, called it "Silly," because "the control it exercised over me was stronger than anything I could have learned from it."

The fellow at the end is Clive Palmer who was only on the first album and then separated from the group, until their reunion a few years ago. Robin Williamson is not present.




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Actually you should read this. If you don't follow this, you will roller coaster or could possibly lose all your gains.

HCOPL: Policies on Physical Healing, Insanity and Sources of Trouble


This is dated (revised) after Hubbard's death, and would likely not be used by an Independent Scientologist. Some Independent Scientologists don't abide by every Hubbard administrative dictate.,

In any event, are you trying to dissuade Scientologirl for posting here?
 
Whew, so much to respond to. There are clearly a lot of angry people on here, but to the ones who weren't all charged up and swinging, thanks again for having me here.

I stand corrected with there being a third type, so thank you for that. The bottom line is, if people are here and angry, either they've done wrong or they've been wronged, and now finally, they could have witnessed others being wronged.

Scientologirl, you are screwing up big time. You are creating antagonism by misapplying Scientology.

HCO PL 5 April 1972 titled PTS Type A Handling contains the following section:

Ron Hubbard said:
DON’T CREATE ANTAGONISM

Many Scientologists in their misunderstanding and misapplication of Scientology create the conditions that bring about the antagonism [Type A PTS means "has antagonistic family members"] in the first place. A few illustrations of how this is done are as follows:

Scientologist to mother: “I now know where you are on the Tone Scale—1.1. Boy, are you sneaky!” (Evaluation and invalidation)

Father to Scientologist: “Now, I don’t want you to borrow the car again without my permission. I have told you time and time …” Scientologist to father: “OKAY! FINE! OKAY! GOOD! THANK YOU! I GOT THAT!” (Not an acknowledgment but an effort to shut up the father.)

Scientologist to older brother: “You murdered me in a past life, you dirty dog!” (Evaluation and invalidation)

Mother to Scientologist: “Whatever are you doing?” Scientologist to mother: “I’m trying to confront your dreadful bank.” (Invalidation)

There are so many ways to misuse tech and to invalidate and evaluate for others in a destructive fashion to bring about bypassed charge, ARC breaks and upset that they cannot all be possibly listed. The idea is NOT to do so. Why create trouble for yourself and for your fellow Scientologists, as nothing will have been gained but ill will?

If you actually intend to help any of these folks, then making assertions about the position on the Tone Scale of any of the persons whom you are addressing is straight up Squirrel and Out-Tech. OSA minions, on the other hand, are expected to routinely violate this HCO PL in order to deliberately create upset.

Please don't.

Edit Addendum: in my 8+ years of experience in the Sea Organization, this HCO PL was increasingly violated by superiors addressing subordinates. Increasing in both frequency and viciousness under the regime of Dick-tater David "Darth Midget" Miscavige as he pushed his reverse Scientology people handling tech down through the organization from the top. What you have done is just more of the same.
 
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Scientologirl, you are screwing up big time. You are creating antagonism by misapplying Scientology.

HCO PL 5 April 1972 titled PTS Type A Handling contains the following section:



If you actually intend to help any of these folks, then making assertions about the position on the Tone Scale of any of the persons whom you are addressing is straight up Squirrel and Out-Tech. OSA minions, on the other hand, are expected to routinely violate this HCO PL in order to deliberately create upset.

Please don't.

Edit Addendum: in my 8+ years of experience in the Sea Organization, this HCO PL was increasingly violated by superiors addressing subordinates. Increasing in both frequency and viciousness under the regime of Dick-tater David "Darth Midget" Miscavige as he pushed his reverse Scientology people handling tech down through the organization from the top. What you have done is just more of the same.

Holy joe mo.

Someone is screwing up!

By applying Scientology.

Someone is ACTUALLY creating a PR flap and antagonizing people in the field - By applying Scientology!

So like, I get that it is embarrassing for you Hobs, but don't take it too hard, we'll all get through the embarrassment phase of seeing others applying Scientology.
 
Posted by @TheSneakster and snipped.

If you actually intend to help any of these folks, then making assertions about the position on the Tone Scale of any of the persons whom you are addressing is straight up Squirrel and Out-Tech. OSA minions, on the other hand, are expected to routinely violate this HCO PL in order to deliberately create upset.

Sneaks, your post above daring to imply (seriously or otherwise) that anyone around here may be 'in need of scientological help' is far more likely to annoy people than anything I've seen posted by @Scientologirl.

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Thanks for your interest in us but we are just people getting on with our lives, most of whom were once involved in scientology and the reason we choose to come here and chat and laugh is because we can, we (mostly) like each other and we don't have to justify or explain a single thought, feeling or attitude to a scientologist ever again.
Loved that! :yes:

This message board is not the place for everyone. It's a bit
of a "tough crowd," as Rodney Dangerfield used to say to his
audiences, when they weren't laughing quite enough at his
jokes.

I guess . . . well, let's say a gay man goes into a working class
corner bar and then gets offended that no one is chumming
up to him or returning his "2D flows." Instead, said gay man
might get punched out by a drunk iron worker after he gets
a bit too handsy. :coolwink:

It's just a matter of "wrong place," if I can borrow from the
Data Series. Nothing more, nothing less. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Best to find the place where you will be loved and appreciated.
Otherwise, you're wasting your life.

PS: Sorry about culturally misappropriating the "gay man" example.
I'm tuning over a new leaf and trying to appear more socially woke. :evillaugh:

PPS: This is definitely an "ex" board, not a "maybe" board. I've been
around since 2006-7 and have read a lion's share of the posts. :whistle:
 
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Sneaks, your post above daring to imply (seriously or otherwise) that anyone around here may be 'in need of scientological help' is far more likely to annoy people than anything I've seen posted by @Scientologirl.

:D

LOL
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"On the day when Scientologists can stop trying to handle
everyone on ESMB and stop trying to handle each

other, there will be peace on earth."
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Sneaks, your post above daring to imply (seriously or otherwise) that anyone around here may be 'in need of scientological help' is far more likely to annoy people than anything I've seen posted by @Scientologirl.

No words written by me above (or anywhere else) state or imply any such thing. I am not responsible for other people "dubbing in" completely false "interpretations". I don't write "between the lines".

I mean, for fuck's sake, I took Standard English grammar and composition for five years straight with mostly A's. I write Standard English. I do not now and never have written any invisible words as you seem to think - they never taught that in school. I mean this: if I ever want to insult the whole group, I will do it directly and not by some sort of sly, covert insinuation or implication.

The person addressed (Scientologirl) says she is practicing Scientology and her videos state she is associated with a "Standard Tech" Indie group (Johnathon Burke and AOGP), so it is entirely appropriate for myself - another Scientologist - to point out to her that she is doing it wrong with the appropriate Hubbard reference.

In actual fact, I was backing up JustSheila, who pointed out the inappropriateness of the communication earlier on the thread.
 
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Thanks, everyone for the replies, they are noted and well-received. A special thank you to @I told you I was trouble for your message, and thanks @TheSneakster for your advice, duly noted.
Whatever I say further will likely be used against me, so, have a great day everyone!

Hey there.

There used to be a guy on the old board by the name of Terril Park who is or was a pretty full on indie scio. Someone might point you in his direction if you're interested. He seems to know the goings on of that scene and used to kind of proselytise at times. He was around with us for years and I think he developed a pretty thick skin. He's a member here, but not active since February. He's based in the UK.

I guess you're testing the waters here and that's fine. It's a way of finding out what the boundaries are, seeing who is who and I'm pretty sure you'd find some friends around here. Stick with it, you'll be fine.

I left the cult after a couple of years in the late 70s and still held the tech and mindset in my head for some 30 years or so, mostly because I never talked to anyone about it. Then I came onto this board and followed up on some research and I walked away from it. Most will and do, but a handful stay with it. As long as you're not with the church and harming others, I'm fine with you and your thinking - it's your business. But I will never go back to it.

Hubbard claimed himself to be a Naval hero in WW II and was blinded in action and cured himself with scientology tech. The truth was considerably different. He never was a hero, nor was he injured. He told so many lies.

He was under a lot of psychiatric evaluation and care himself over the years, which probably explains a lot of his anti psychiatry stance. Even the FBI had a file on him with the annotation on it "Appears Mental".....

You'd have to do your own searching, there is a lot of info out there about him, but to me, a man that tells so many lies and with serious mental health issues makes me rather doubt any truth in what he has to say.

You can believe us, or not. That's your call and there is no pressure, especially not from me.

Anyway, a belated welcome and I hope you find friends here.
 
In addition to Bill’s remarks, the fact that 99% of people left Scientology speaks for itself...

To me that seems like too high a percentage. ;)

As there are currently, say 15,000 people still in, it would mean that in the cults total lifespan it had 1,5 million members. I don't think that is realistic? See Estimates for new members and total membership

So the good news is that the COS did not have 1.5 million members, but the bad news is that as a percentage more people are still in.

:D
 
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