Scientologirl - New Independent Scientologist

He-man said:
Speaking ones honest opinion is not bullying.
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Except it is not his "honest opinion" that merely linking Scienogirl's YouTube channel to get more information on her personal story constitutes "selling Scientology" on ESMBR. If it were, then "ISNOINews" posting a video from her channel - not just a link to the channel - would also constitute "selling Scientology" here. Yet there was and is no such accusation being made for *EXACTLY* the same action.

None of you really believes that, or you would all be dogpiling "ISNOINews" to make him/her/it stop posting videos from Scientology sites here, now wouldn't you ?
 
TheSneakster said:
And maybe you are supporting someone who is unfairly bullying a lady who hasn't even broken any rules here. :mad:
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Sneaks please do not over react.

No one is attacking. Do not try to turn it into a BLM or Antifa style argument.

Remember that we are still working each other out at thmoment. Misunderstandings can be worked out, so give everyone a chance to.
 
Scientologirl said:
For the record, most of you are pretty cool here. :)
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During the early days of ESMB Alan Walter and Dart Smohen were active posters. Both had been at St. Hill during the early 1960s, and both had been on the first Class 8 course on the Royal Scotsman.

Paul Adams compiled and organized these posts in e-book form as part of Pauls Rabbit eBooks. A lot of ground is covered having to do with the origins of various parts of Scientology.

Link to Alan C. Walter's ESMB posts

Link to The Real Story by Dart Smohen

Link to reincarnation quotes originally posted by Alan Walter. Videos have been added.

Paul Adams posted on ESMB as Dulloldfart, and had been a course supervisor and auditor at both St. Hill in England and at the AO in Los Angeles, if I recall correctly.

Paul created Paul's Robot Auditor (automatic auditing on the internet) and also many videos which are scattered about the Net.

Here are a few:









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The_Fixer said:
Sneaks please do not over react.

No one is attacking. Do not try to turn it into a BLM or Antifa style argument.

Remember that we are still working each other out at thmoment. Misunderstandings can be worked out, so give everyone a chance to.
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TheSneakster reminds me of the guy I met the other day at the supermarket. I was standing in line at the checkout counter, a long line. We all had masks on and 6 feet apart.

There was a lady in front of us who was fiddling with her purse looking for something. Well, the person in front of her and just got checked out so this lady was next but she was looking in her purse, some time went by and I said You can go forward now. The guy inbetween says you don't have to be pushy. I said I wasn't pushy, I was just letting her know she can go since she was looking in her purse. That set the guy off, you should have seen the look in his eyes, and he starts rabbling on about something. The lady even apologized and the guy says you don't have to apologize. He kept turning around and looking at me with crazy eyes.

Boy oh boy, WTH is wrong with letting somebody know they can go forward, like the light turns green and they are looking at their cell phone, so you give a friendly honk.

When emotions run amok, there goes logic. I have learned you can't even communicate with people when their emotions rule their actions or voices. You can't even argue or discuss logic.
 
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The_Fixer said:
Sneaks please do not over react.
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My response to Stratty's attempt to run off a new member- who has broken none of PirateAndBum's rules at all - on the basis of made-up false accusation is exactly appropriate from where I sit. You apparently support this miscreant's action, so don't expect your criticism of myself to have any effect beyond further annoyance.
 
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Welcome. Good luck with your journey.

I think people have a right to believe what they want so you do you.

It's interesting that as far as I can tell you are really a newbie regarding Scientology. I'll be interested to follow your journey and see what happens. The lower levels are fairly mild and can give you wins. Will grade 1 really produce someone who has no problems? Will ned handle all of your physical difficulties? I'll be interested to see how it goes. And that's before we get into any crazy ot stuff.

Not trying to attack you here, just curious.

Oh, one other thought i had. How does the freezone handle pts/sp stuff? Should you be posting here at all? Seems like a type a situation to me.... Of course we have an easy why for any difficulty you run into going forward so that might be useful.

Again, not attacking and you can do what you want and believe what you want. I'll be watching to see how it goes. Just don't make false claims about levitating spoons with your mind or curing cancer by running the right engram or something.
 
Scientologirl said:
There are too many replies for me to actually respond to individually, so I'll try and make a single post instead.

I think there are two kinds of people who hate Scientology, from what I've seen. Those who have MUs who become trolls and 1.1 - 1.9 the subject, and those who have been subjected to fear, shame, and abuse. I feel nothing for the first, because responsibility is everything to me. The second, however, I am SO SORRY those things have happened to you guys. I see Scientology as a self-determined path and unfortunately, I repeatedly hear that the Church does exactly the opposite to its members. I know that when I reached out to indies the first time, the guy who was "training" me from the Church went into a fit of rage - it's really messed up. Needless to say I've disconnected.

To answer a question about Clear and OT and if I believe it can be achieved - let's put it this way: I have as I said, transformed my life in this short period of time. There isn't a book, lecture, or course that I've read, done, listened to that hasn't helped me in some way - I can't deny the wins and cogs I have. Therefore, for now anyway, I believe clear and OT is tone dependent. If people are really honest with themselves, they should in theory, be able to reach those states. I know an OT3 who is just a bad example for Scientology as they can't take the slightest bit of responsibility.

Jon posted an article on our site where he explains as an 0T8 that it's all up to "how clean your brush is, so the painting will be vibrant" - paraphrased. I truly believe this because I understand how that would work. Once you clear up the pain and you get honest with yourself through auditing, you ARE less at effect from your environment. -That's just auditing.

That said, I do believe there are people who rush cases, who consider them just worth the size of their pockets, and those who invalidate pcs because that's just their tone. Different tones have different realities. There are some people I'd never consider getting auditing from just by the way they carry themselves online. Fear bands, anger bands etc.

All this said, I like to remember what's true for others is true. I'm not about forcing my opinion, but this is all what I've found true for me. I know there are many loose ends with Scientology, unanswered questions and the general system is failing because: reiterated: it's entirely tone-dependent.

So, thanks to those that read to the end. I hope all of you in pain recover from it entirely one day.
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you said-----------

"I think there are two kinds of people who hate Scientology, from what I've seen. Those who have MUs who become trolls and 1.1 - 1.9 the subject, and those who have been subjected to fear, shame, and abuse. I feel nothing for the first, because responsibility is everything to me. The second, however, I am SO SORRY those things have happened to you guys. I see Scientology as a self-determined path and unfortunately, I repeatedly hear that the Church does exactly the opposite to its members. I know that when I reached out to indies the first time, the guy who was "training" me from the Church went into a fit of rage - it's really messed up. Needless to say I've disconnected. "

Nope, there are not two kinds of people who hate scientology. There is a third and probably more.

I'm a third in respect to somebody who has done sceintology and who has had interactions with many people who have done the entire Bridge to total Freedom up to OT8 and even all 3 L's. And I can tell you none of these people are any better off than if they didn't get involve with scientology. Sure lots have had wins, and claim success stories, but in the end, it doesn't matter. Many of the OT8 people I know have died and have not come back like Hubbard said they will with his training and auditing. Afterall, Hubbard's stick was we would come back.

You might want to check that out in the Indie or Freezone area, just use some logic, verify for yourself before you get too deep into listening to Hubbard's rhetoric and others who parrot what Ron said.

The reason why I am a third person who hates scientology is because I have done Hubbard's obnosis drills or observing the obvious, when I was in. But once you really do this, observe the obvious about any who has gone up the bridge or who has done any level of the bridge, why your eyes open and realize it's not true.

You need to observe the obvious and ask questions, that is logic, do not let the emotions, which are words such as freedom, awareness, ability gained, success, etc. rule your decision.

1. I don't have stupid MU's. That is the No. 1 argument of Hubbard's bullshit tech.

2. I was never harmed physically while involved. Just persuaded.
 
Scientologirl said:
I find your name hilarious (in a good way, not 1.9)

Just curious though, literally, if you guys are done with it, why keep the chapter open? I see people dedicated to taking down the subject itself, not just the Church - Why not just move on with life? (not being an asshole at all)
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Did you leave your friends and family behind to “move on with life”? Is that attaining a “clear” state to you?

Just curious. I wonder about people who erase / block out / ignore their personal history and how it shaped them in order to “move on with life.” Others might embrace their roots, personal experiences and history, and the entirety of who they are and the roads taken to get there and love themselves for what they’ve overcome to get there.

Just curious, of course. I’m not a big fan of the “leave it all behind to get on with life” cult think.
 
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TheSneakster said:
My response to Stratty's attempt to run off a new member- who has broken none of PirateAndBum's rules at all - on the basis of made-up false accusation is exactly appropriate from where I sit. You apparently support this miscreant's action, so don't expect your criticism of myself to have any effect beyond further annoyance.
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I think you are being pushy towards Stratty and disrespectful, because he just said the girl was talking to a ex scientology member board.

Hey, she even replied. Why are you inbetween the conversation between scientologirl and stratty?

One could say bud out, I wasn't talking to you, Michael.

So you call Stratty a miscreant, what's that all about, just because he doesn't agree with you to create ARC and understanding?
 
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Scientologirl said:
Hi there! Not sure I truly belong here as I'm not an ex Scientologist, rather, I'm "ex" from the Church - kinda, it was brief. Anyway, no doubt I'll run into some trolls with my introduction but for those curious about me: Scientologirl
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Welcome!
Happy to hear your story and your opinions.
Most here are exes both from the organization and "the Tech".
That's ok.
Your side is interesting and if you tell it, and your thoughts, it may change your (and others') thoughts too.
 
Scientologirl said:
think there are two kinds of people who hate Scientology, from what I've seen. Those who have MUs who become trolls and 1.1 - 1.9 the subject, and those who have been subjected to fear, shame, and abuse. I feel nothing for the first, because responsibility is everything to me. The second, however, I am SO SORRY those things have happened to you guys. I see Scientology as a self-determined path and unfortunately, I repeatedly hear that the Church does exactly the opposite to its members. I know that when I reached out to indies the first time, the guy who was "training" me from the Church went into a fit of rage - it's really messed up. Needless to say I've disconnected.
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Your "stable data" precludes the possibility of a third category: people who have tried Scientology, all the way through the OT levels, and are very disappointed that it did not deliver what was promised, and felt defrauded.
 
Scientologirl said:
There are too many replies for me to actually respond to individually, so I'll try and make a single post instead.

I think there are two kinds of people who hate Scientology ...
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There we go, that old 'H' word again.

It's not a question of blind, foaming at the mouth hatred, Scientologirl, some people have taken a quiet, calm appraisal of the situation and said to themselves, 'you know what, this stuff simply doesn't deliver what it says on the tin'. (I'm talking about the upper levels here, where Hubbard really goes off on flights of fancy about disembodied beings throwing tractor beams around and blowing up planets in some previous existence in another sector of the galaxy trillions of years ago). In the final analysis sweetie pie, it's all bollocks, sorry to disappoint you.
 
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stratty said:
There we go, that old 'H' word again.

It's not a question of blind, foaming at the mouth hatred, Scientologirl, some people have taken a quiet, calm appraisal of the situation and said to themselves, 'you know what, this stuff simply doesn't deliver what it says on the tin'. (I'm talking about the upper levels here, where Hubbard really goes off on flights of fancy about disembodied beings throwing tractor beams around and blowing up planets in some previous existence in another sector of the galaxy trillions of years ago). In the final analysis sweetie pie, it's all bollocks, sorry to disappoint you.
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The lower-level stuff, like the original comm course, did deliver some positive change for me, and helped me overcome a degree of shyness in my communication. If the low-level, intro stuff did not do anything positive, Scientology would have been stillborn.

But the low-level processes are just the cheese in the mousetrap.
 
Riddick said:
boo, it's exciting.

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After watching that clip the following funny video below showed up. It made me smile since it seems to relate to the current conversation with PirateAndBum being the guy in the suit. Happy ending - lol

I'll add my 2 cents to the on topic scn conversation later.

 
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@Scientologirl , part of LRH's success, will his ability to steal other people's work and re-package it as his own.

One example is Dianetics, which is based on Sigmund Freud's abreaction thereapy

Abreaction Therapy - Therapedia

www.theravive.com www.theravive.com

All LRH did was write a book describing the technique, making it his own, and telling lay people to go practice it on each other.

It's also why he was so against "psych's": if he allowed Scientologists to study psych materials, they might discover how much Ron plagiarized them.
 
Whew, so much to respond to. There are clearly a lot of angry people on here, but to the ones who weren't all charged up and swinging, thanks again for having me here.

I stand corrected with there being a third type, so thank you for that. The bottom line is, if people are here and angry, either they've done wrong or they've been wronged, and now finally, they could have witnessed others being wronged.

I wish I could reflect on all the positive things our org is and does, but that's my opinion and everyone's got them right? I'm not sure why I really decided to come here but the gist was: curiosity. That has been filled until there's another post about me.

Look, from one person to another, or several, I am sorry that bad shit happened, not just abuses but that my religion didn't work for you and now you're here. I don't know if that could amount to anything, but regardless, nobody deserves to be stuck in a cycle of pain. And yes, even the trolls, there's a reason why they are here and they probably need more love than any of us. Yeah yeah, call me a hippie.

I was raised in a Christian family, who later found Buddhism and, while they along with several other self-help methods have shown that they can work, Scientology thus far has seemed to just make sense and resonates with me. I don't have anyone holding a proverbial gun to my head when I study or do auditing, nor do I think LRH was a saint, nor do I believe in every last drop of it, but for me, in my "infant stage" as someone pointed out, I have so many wins that it is impossible to ignore. Now we can all go on hating each other because our realities are different, or we can just accept that maybe Scientology is just not for everyone, and that doesn't make anyone less of who they are on either side. I may be corrected on this with some policy but statistics prove otherwise, sorry, LRH.

As requested by admin, there won't be a back and forth, and maybe this message is anticlimactic but I don't have the narrow viewpoint of "you're wrong and I'm right" - each to their own.

Thanks to those who stuck up for me, and those who were nice enough to not be an asshole, you're really sweet.
 
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