2020 SCIENTOLOGY PREDICTIONS - - you heard it here first!

[PirateAndBum]

P&B, thank you. You're too kind.

Will you or Emma ever post my IP address or registration email
address if I do something wrong? I thought this information was
sacrosanct and secure. How many people have access to our
personal information? How many people can read our private
PMs? I sometimes include very personal information in PMs.

I find this image very troubling on the surface. I've never seen
anything like this from an administrator screen ever posted
anywhere before. This was posted earlier today.

What's going on?

Can you give me some reassurances?

"Oat Tea Ate sockpuppet IP address removed.jpg"

Emma had created an admin account that I was not aware of (she informs me that I did know at the time [i just forgot], it was to help me get the board set up). That account has had its admin rights removed. The only person that has admin rights and can see such information is me. Your email/IP will never be posted so long as I am running this board.

The link stratty provided gives you the story on PMs (they are private, admins/moderators cannot read them. It requires server DB access to look at them. Something only me or an IT guy at the ISP can do.)

 

[Deleted member 51]

Emma had created an admin account that I was not aware of. That account has had its admin rights removed. The only person that has admin rights and can see such information is me. Your email/IP will never be posted so long as I am running this board.

The link stratty provided gives you the story on PMs (they are private, admins/moderators cannot read them. It requires server DB access to look at them. Something only me or an IT guy at the ISP can do.)

Thank you, P&B.

I am very disappointed that Emma created a secret admin account here and then used it in this way.

@Emma
What about ESMB? Are you using or sharing our personal information from there with others, or have you given others access to it since you shut it down? Did you give Alanzo or Alanzo's friends admin access or admin-only personal info on ESMB and ESMB Redux members? You had given us your absolute promise that you would not compromise our personal information.

Have you shared or published any other member personal information you had from ESMB Redux?

 

[PirateAndBum]

I just went back to my skype messages and I was aware of the admin account that was created for Emma. She even said I should delete it once we got everything up and running. So, to be fair, it wasn't a secret account that she created. I just forgot to remove it.

She shouldn't have posted the IPs and she knows it and regrets doing so. I'm sure she'll tell you so herself.

 

[Karakorum]

I just went back to my skype messages and I was aware of the admin account that was created for Emma. She even said I should delete it once we got everything up and running. So, to be fair, it wasn't a secret account that she created. I just forgot to remove it.

She shouldn't have posted the IPs and she knows it and regrets doing so. I'm sure she'll tell you so herself.

Thanks. I was wondering when I saw this user online today:

I saved this screenshot and even wanted to post a question about it, but decided that its none of my business since it appeared that user had legit admin rights. I thought it was probably some 'function' account.

 

[PirateAndBum]

Thanks. I was wondering when I saw this user online today:

I saved this screenshot and even wanted to post a question about it, but decided that its none of my business since it appeared that user had legit admin rights. I thought it was probably some 'function' account.

That's my admin account. I deleted and recreated it today. (I lost the original pswd) I don't use it much, but if you see it online it is me.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

She shouldn't have posted the IPs and she knows it and regrets doing so. I'm sure she'll tell you so herself.

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Thank you for the transparency. Security of private information is so incredibly vital to every board member who has ever posted on this board!

I was, since day one, always a huge fan and supporter of Emma as the board founder. In the last months I was extremely disappointed that her personal animosities were clouding her long and outstanding track record.

In those last months of Alanzo savaging that once-great board with his trolling, Emma began to "go after" people that apparently she apparently didn't like or hated for a long time. I was one of them, to my great shock. I didn't say anything at that time, but it seemed to me that she also began to out private info about Jeffrey and others. I honestly had no clue what was happening.

It just seemed to me at the time that her personal animosities began to dominate her extremely bright mind and judgment. I left everything unsaid at that time.

This last (recent) doxing stunt on Redux was more evidence that her personal hostilities toward certain people (whether merited it or not) seriously compromised her fiduciary bond with posters---that would have forever prohibited her from using her admin access to "go after" someone for personal reasons.

When I saw that, any remaining trust in her protecting board members was shattered.

I don't hate her and never did. I loved her and what she accomplished for nearly all of those years of the original ESMB, until she began to despise me for (I am guessing) posting some nice things about Trump. I know it sounds incredibly dumb for me to even say that, but I have no guess what it could have been other than that.

At this point, i think it would be a good idea for Emma to consider ratcheting down the high octane personal vitriol against her political or other "enemies" and perhaps consider a little HUMILITRY.

A sincere apology wouldn't be a bad idea either.

I think it is so easy. to be forgiven on this message board, we all do it with and for each other.

But that doxing stunt is dangerous, and her just "knowing it was wrong" is not reassuring at all about what she is capable of doing with private information. of all of the members if she gets another flash of rage against someone.

That's my two cents. I am not trying to shame her or embarrass her, but that was a majorly screwy thing to do and I don't see ANY excuse whatsoever.

If she comes at me (again) with rough and tumble shit, I am not going to engage in any battle with her. I have stayed away from her as much as possible since the old board was in a troll meltdown. One of the reasons I left at that time.

I will not get into a flame war with her about this. But I think after 11 plus years of being a member, I should speak up on this point. I think she owes it to all former and current members to get on record with this and to give full and compelling assurances that their private info is safeguarded. That is not the case right now.

It's probably very easy to fix if she approaches it with humility.

Best to all on this board!

hh

 

[Emma]

Hi everyone. I know I'm late in replying. I really needed a few days to get my head together to make sure I didn't over or under react.

I'm sorry I posted the image. It wasn't cool. In case anyone was wondering, the part of the IP address that was uncovered tells you what country the person lives in. Not what state. Not what county. Not what city. Not what town. Not what name. Not what gender. I had no intention to "out" an ex scientologist. My point was to show that this poster uses two accounts. Yes, I know the poster's full IP address, not only because of here, but because the poster in question has the same set of accounts on ESMB with the same IP address.

Why was I so set on that? Because although I'm used to being hated and harassed online, never had I come up against someone who was so hell bent on trying to shame me with cruel mental health jibes. I realise now I should never have opened up on ESMB about my struggle last year with depression. I feel stupid now. I knew that it opened me up to OSA having a good laugh but I never expected the torment to come from Exes. It wasn't just one post. It was relentless and vicious. It opened my eyes to the fact that how one is treated relies entirely on whether one is friend or foe. If anyone had done that to me prior to August last year they would have been called out. But a few days ago nobody cared. It was allowed to go on and on with other posters feeling free to also offer their opinion. Why the change? Because I'm no longer "popular". That's what makes all the difference. It was an eye opener. Eventually one person asked him to stop, and after a few more jabs he did. I am grateful to that person and also for P&B for removing the posts, including my own.

If you haven't had a mental health crisis in your life I don't expect you to understand. It's such an intensely personal thing. People believe that the stigma of mental health has gone. That's complete rubbish. No matter how many "R U OK" days there are, or how many commercials saying "it's ok to not be ok" nothing has really changed. It's fodder for jokes and ridicule. It cuts you to your core.

I imagine that the lack of ability to identify the poster in question (by the image I posted) was understood by the person who reposted it after the original was deleted. I mean if you really thought it was identifying or damaging to the poster, why repost it? My original post was posted in the members only section. It was reposted in the public section and was up for at least 24 hours.

I owe an apology to P&B for accessing the temp admin account that was set up months ago. I shouldn't have used it. I wasn't even sure it still existed.

Moving forward, if I decide to keep posting, I'm not going to change the way I think or feel about politics, and I won't try to "fit in". My views are my own and unless I'm breaking any rules I will keep posting what I think. When I spoke to P&B he said he had no issue with my views or how I presented then in the politics thread.

I don't know what I can say to make you believe that your ESMB data is safe. All I can tell you is that after ESMB & ESMBR were hacked earlier this year (don't worry no data was stolen) I went through every plugin and deleted all unnecessary ones. I even disabled search. I've changed the admin password to a 20 digit mess of numbers, letters and symbols generated by a password generator. I don't have it saved in any browser. Passwords for member accounts are encrypted. If you really think I've given up your IPs to OSA then nothing I say or do will convince you otherwise. All I can say is that I haven't. I don't actually think they'd come right out and ask me for them, but you never know. I believe they would try to get it by hacking so I've tightened up ESMB as much as possible. The hack a few months ago got the perp to the main server (we are both on the same shared server) but our individual sites were not violated. That's why both sites went down on the same day. The hacker wasn't a Scientology hacker (from what I'm told) but a hacking group well known to the system admin at our hosting service. They entered the server through a weakness in the billing system on their site. That has since been patched and a full review of their entire system was completed.

The tldr; version.

I'm sorry, I shouldn't have done it. I was feeling absolutely gut punched so I reacted. I'm sorry to P&B. Your data is as safe as it can be.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

@Emma.

Thanks for explaining ... but as you say there was nothing posted that could have outed anyone so no harm done.

That guy trolling you last week was the nastiest little creep I have ever seen on either ESMB or ESMBR and if he has a single grain of decency in him he will apologise to you when/if he returns from being banned and start to act like an adult (assuming he is one).

Your political opinions are as valid as anyone else's and I love that you own them and don't run away when or if they are countered, it makes for a more interesting board and potentially opens minds.

 

[Deleted member 51]

Hi everyone. I know I'm late in replying. I really needed a few days to get my head together to make sure I didn't over or under react.

I'm sorry I posted the image. It wasn't cool. In case anyone was wondering, the part of the IP address that was uncovered tells you what country the person lives in. Not what state. Not what county. Not what city. Not what town. Not what name. Not what gender. I had no intention to "out" an ex scientologist. My point was to show that this poster uses two accounts. Yes, I know the poster's full IP address, not only because of here, but because the poster in question has the same set of accounts on ESMB with the same IP address.

Why was I so set on that? Because although I'm used to being hated and harassed online, never had I come up against someone who was so hell bent on trying to shame me with cruel mental health jibes. I realise now I should never have opened up on ESMB about my struggle last year with depression. I feel stupid now. I knew that it opened me up to OSA having a good laugh but I never expected the torment to come from Exes. It wasn't just one post. It was relentless and vicious. It opened my eyes to the fact that how one is treated relies entirely on whether one is friend or foe. If anyone had done that to me prior to August last year they would have been called out. But a few days ago nobody cared. It was allowed to go on and on with other posters feeling free to also offer their opinion. Why the change? Because I'm no longer "popular". That's what makes all the difference. It was an eye opener. Eventually one person asked him to stop, and after a few more jabs he did. I am grateful to that person and also for P&B for removing the posts, including my own.

If you haven't had a mental health crisis in your life I don't expect you to understand. It's such an intensely personal thing. People believe that the stigma of mental health has gone. That's complete rubbish. No matter how many "R U OK" days there are, or how many commercials saying "it's ok to not be ok" nothing has really changed. It's fodder for jokes and ridicule. It cuts you to your core.

I imagine that the lack of ability to identify the poster in question (by the image I posted) was understood by the person who reposted it after the original was deleted. I mean if you really thought it was identifying or damaging to the poster, why repost it? My original post was posted in the members only section. It was reposted in the public section and was up for at least 24 hours.

I owe an apology to P&B for accessing the temp admin account that was set up months ago. I shouldn't have used it. I wasn't even sure it still existed.

Moving forward, if I decide to keep posting, I'm not going to change the way I think or feel about politics, and I won't try to "fit in". My views are my own and unless I'm breaking any rules I will keep posting what I think. When I spoke to P&B he said he had no issue with my views or how I presented then in the politics thread.

I don't know what I can say to make you believe that your ESMB data is safe. All I can tell you is that after ESMB & ESMBR were hacked earlier this year (don't worry no data was stolen) I went through every plugin and deleted all unnecessary ones. I even disabled search. I've changed the admin password to a 20 digit mess of numbers, letters and symbols generated by a password generator. I don't have it saved in any browser. Passwords for member accounts are encrypted. If you really think I've given up your IPs to OSA then nothing I say or do will convince you otherwise. All I can say is that I haven't. I don't actually think they'd come right out and ask me for them, but you never know. I believe they would try to get it by hacking so I've tightened up ESMB as well as possible. The hack a few months ago got the perp to the main server (we are both on the same shared server) but our individual sites were not violated. That's why both sites went down on the same day. The hacker wasn't a Scientology hacker (from what I'm told) but a hacking group well known to the system admin at our hosting service. They entered the server through a weakness in the billing system on their site. That has since been patched and a full review of their entire system was completed.

The tldr; version.

I'm sorry, I shouldn't have done it. I was feeling absolutely gut punched so I reacted. I'm sorry to P&B. Your data is as safe as it can be.

Thank you, Ems.

Nobody chimed in on ESMB Redux because we try not to gang up on people here. If two people have a fight or argument, we pretty much let them go. I did try to steer him off the subject of mental health, though. I'm sure the posts were reported by some or P&B would not have put it to an end. When NObody chimes in, you can be pretty sure we all know it's gone well past group discussion and firefights are not welcome here (and I'm glad about that) and that we are giving our support by not joining in the discussion, but instead, backing off.

I hated the firefights on the original ESMB and the group wars, the shaming and that sort of stuff.

Thank you for tightening up ESMB and for protecting our privacy there.

 

[Karakorum]

Hi everyone. I know I'm late in replying. I really needed a few days to get my head together to make sure I didn't over or under react.

I'm sorry I posted the image. It wasn't cool. In case anyone was wondering, the part of the IP address that was uncovered tells you what country the person lives in. Not what state. Not what county. Not what city. Not what town. Not what name. Not what gender. I had no intention to "out" an ex scientologist. My point was to show that this poster uses two accounts. Yes, I know the poster's full IP address, not only because of here, but because the poster in question has the same set of accounts on ESMB with the same IP address.

Why was I so set on that? Because although I'm used to being hated and harassed online, never had I come up against someone who was so hell bent on trying to shame me with cruel mental health jibes. I realise now I should never have opened up on ESMB about my struggle last year with depression. I feel stupid now. I knew that it opened me up to OSA having a good laugh but I never expected the torment to come from Exes. It wasn't just one post. It was relentless and vicious. It opened my eyes to the fact that how one is treated relies entirely on whether one is friend or foe. If anyone had done that to me prior to August last year they would have been called out. But a few days ago nobody cared. It was allowed to go on and on with other posters feeling free to also offer their opinion. Why the change? Because I'm no longer "popular". That's what makes all the difference. It was an eye opener. Eventually one person asked him to stop, and after a few more jabs he did. I am grateful to that person and also for P&B for removing the posts, including my own.

If you haven't had a mental health crisis in your life I don't expect you to understand. It's such an intensely personal thing. People believe that the stigma of mental health has gone. That's complete rubbish. No matter how many "R U OK" days there are, or how many commercials saying "it's ok to not be ok" nothing has really changed. It's fodder for jokes and ridicule. It cuts you to your core.

I imagine that the lack of ability to identify the poster in question (by the image I posted) was understood by the person who reposted it after the original was deleted. I mean if you really thought it was identifying or damaging to the poster, why repost it? My original post was posted in the members only section. It was reposted in the public section and was up for at least 24 hours.

I owe an apology to P&B for accessing the temp admin account that was set up months ago. I shouldn't have used it. I wasn't even sure it still existed.

Moving forward, if I decide to keep posting, I'm not going to change the way I think or feel about politics, and I won't try to "fit in". My views are my own and unless I'm breaking any rules I will keep posting what I think. When I spoke to P&B he said he had no issue with my views or how I presented then in the politics thread.

I don't know what I can say to make you believe that your ESMB data is safe. All I can tell you is that after ESMB & ESMBR were hacked earlier this year (don't worry no data was stolen) I went through every plugin and deleted all unnecessary ones. I even disabled search. I've changed the admin password to a 20 digit mess of numbers, letters and symbols generated by a password generator. I don't have it saved in any browser. Passwords for member accounts are encrypted. If you really think I've given up your IPs to OSA then nothing I say or do will convince you otherwise. All I can say is that I haven't. I don't actually think they'd come right out and ask me for them, but you never know. I believe they would try to get it by hacking so I've tightened up ESMB as much as possible. The hack a few months ago got the perp to the main server (we are both on the same shared server) but our individual sites were not violated. That's why both sites went down on the same day. The hacker wasn't a Scientology hacker (from what I'm told) but a hacking group well known to the system admin at our hosting service. They entered the server through a weakness in the billing system on their site. That has since been patched and a full review of their entire system was completed.

The tldr; version.

I'm sorry, I shouldn't have done it. I was feeling absolutely gut punched so I reacted. I'm sorry to P&B. Your data is as safe as it can be.

Thanks for letting us know.

Nobody chimed in on ESMB Redux because we try not to gang up on people here. If two people have a fight or argument, we pretty much let them go. I did try to steer him off the subject of mental health, though. I'm sure the posts were reported by some or P&B would not have put it to an end. When NObody chimes in, you can be pretty sure we all know it's gone well past group discussion and firefights are not welcome here (and I'm glad about that) and that we are giving our support by not joining in the discussion, but instead, backing off.

I would like to concur. I think I initially posted some sort of "let's get along" humor-attempt reply, but deleted it. I decided that me getting into an argument between two people I do not know well in person won't help any. Some members already expressed enough doubts about my identity and OSA ties as it was.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Thank you, Ems.

Nobody chimed in on ESMB Redux because we try not to gang up on people here. If two people have a fight or argument, we pretty much let them go. I did try to steer him off the subject of mental health, though. I'm sure the posts were reported by some or P&B would not have put it to an end. When NObody chimes in, you can be pretty sure we all know it's gone well past group discussion and firefights are not welcome here (and I'm glad about that) and that we are giving our support by not joining in the discussion, but instead, backing off.

I hated the firefights on the original ESMB and the group wars, the shaming and that sort of stuff.

Thank you for tightening up ESMB and for protecting our privacy there.

You definitely did try to put a gentle but firm stop to it, I noticed that. Emma may not have seen it though because (from memory) it was on a different thread to the main one that went nasty and Emma had already left the board for the day ... and then most of it got deleted.

I'm just glad it has all now stopped and we are back to 'normal'.

 

[TrevAnon]

I predict the big list of ex-COS-members will be > 3,000 names

(17 needed. )

Belated response. The big list indeed is > 3,000 names. See sig.

@HelluvaHoax! this could be the most successful predictions thread ever!

 

[PirateAndBum]

@Emma.

Thanks for explaining ... but as you say there was nothing posted that could have outed anyone so no harm done.

That guy trolling you last week was the nastiest little creep I have ever seen on either ESMB or ESMBR and if he has a single grain of decency in him he will apologise to you when/if he returns from being banned and start to act like an adult (assuming he is one).

Your political opinions are as valid as anyone else's and I love that you own them and don't run away when or if they are countered, it makes for a more interesting board and potentially opens minds.

FYI, Oat Tea Ate asked that his/her account be deleted and the owner of the Out Ethics account requested to be deleted. Both accounts have been deleted as requested.