TOP SUPER-STUPID MOMENTS IN SCIENTOLOGY (PART V)

[HelluvaHoax!]

LOL LOL

You had me at "ionic pedestal displaying sacred religious artifact from the phylum mollusca".


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[guanoloco]

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Additive Self-Created Delusions (imagination run amok )
It's not a simple question and there's no simple answer for it. I've come
to believe that Hubbard suffered from the little-known phenomenon described
as Additive Self-Created Delusions.* That is, there were peaks where the crazy
was exponentially multiplied, each bit of crazy building upon the previous bits of
crazy in dramatic ways and with surprising outcomes.

*My pet theory. ​

Step back in time first . . . throughout 1951, L. Ron Hubbard's marriage to his second wife,
Sara Northrup, was collapsing in a dramatic and scandalous legal battle involving abuse
allegations, kidnapping, and a bitter divorce. It was a nerve-wracking and tumultuous
year for Ron. (No need to revisit the sordid details here again.)

Time to turn over a new leaf in 1952.

By December 1952, he had traveled to or seen many other universes (PDC Lecture 6):

"I know of three frames positively outside this universe. There’s a universe outside this universe and there’s a universe outside that and its set of universes, and there’s a universe outside that universe. And I know the one beyond that. And it’s not necess... they’re not necessarily getting thinner or more unsubstantial but they don’t run according to the same laws. E equals MC squared won’t work in ‘em. That is not a native characteristic of energy. It just happens to be."​

Let's look at a few other examples of these Peak Additive Delusions.

• Arrived on Earth as part of an expeditionary space crew that was ambushed by Martian implanters and
  injected back into the human race. Hubbard looked for the other 3000 of his crew among the lecture
  and congress attendees back then. Actually asked in a lecture for attendees to be on the lookout for them. ('51-52)
• Looking over the shoulders (in real time) of communicators running the Markabian implant stations that monitor
  earth ('52)
• Was running several bodies in and around the mest (material) universe ('52)
• First discovered the phenomenon of entities and attempted to audit them ('52)
• He had full exterior perception ('51-53)
• Full memory of his personal history and time track for the last 80 trillion years down to what he did every day
  -- but maybe not what he ate for breakfast though (mid 60's SHSBC)
• Visiting the main implant station on Venus for an extended time (mid 63 SHSBC)
• Invents "own" then "implanted" GPM theories . . . need I say more?
• Despite having invented clearing and gone clear himself, Hubbard was still plagued by chronic illnesses and mental
  issues. Instead of concluding that his tech was flawed, he looked outside himself for a cause. Ron imagined OT3. ('68)
• Comes up with more . . . OT II GPM theory
• Despite having invented OT3 and completed it himself, Hubbard was still plagued by even worse chronic illnesses
  and mental issues. Instead of concluding that his tech was somehow flawed, he looked outside himself again for
  another even greater cause. Ron imagined NOTS. ('78)

I could assemble a book about his claims . . . .

We need one...or encyclopedia set...for "The Crimes of Ron Hubbard"

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

TO: Type4_PTS
REF: Your "STILL NOT SUPERHUMAN?" poster:

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[HelluvaHoax!]

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I approve of this rhyme.
—J. Cochran

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[ILove2Lurk]

There is simply no way . . . just impossible!​

Additive Self-Created Delusions (imagination run amok )
. . .

Our collective takedowns of Hubbard and scientology are so brilliant and definitive.
Not to mention, it's widely known to upper management that 90-99% of past adherents
are dissatisfied and have already left. There is no way possible DM and The Cabal (that
select group of upper mgmt that are in sci's "deep state") can not have an understanding
that this is all con at this point and something is seriously wrong.

Restated: It is completely impossible for DM and The Cabal to be unaware that they​

are involved in a scam or fraud, and they must realize that a major problem exists.​

Reading some of our threads around here really takes apart this whole subject. No way an
OSA monitor or lower staffer can read our stuff and not dive into instant and deep doubt.
Question what they are doing at this late hour and why.

One funny moment I had during the past week. I asked AI (ChatGPT or Gemini) to compile
something for me about Hubbard and it did. I looked over at the right side panel for its reference
sources (links). It was two ESMB posts by ILove2Lurk. I kid you not!

I can only imagine why we have 6,000-10,000 guests (or bots) crawling on our message board
at any time of the day or night. AI is getting trained on our content, LOL.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

There is simply no way . . . just impossible!​

Our collective takedowns of Hubbard and scientology are so brilliant and definitive.
Not to mention, it's widely known to upper management that 90-99% of past adherents
are dissatisfied and have already left. There is no way possible DM and The Cabal (that
select group of upper mgmt that are in sci's "deep state") can not have an understanding
that this is all con at this point and something is seriously wrong.

Restated: It is completely impossible for DM and The Cabal to be unaware that they​

are involved in a scam or fraud, and they must realize that a major problem exists.​

Reading some of our threads around here really takes apart this whole subject. No way an
OSA monitor or lower staffer can read our stuff and not dive into instant and deep doubt.
Question what they are doing at this late hour and why.

One funny moment I had during the past week. I asked AI (ChatGPT or Gemini) to compile
something for me about Hubbard and it did. I looked over at the right side panel for its reference
sources (links). It was two ESMB posts by ILove2Lurk. I kid you not!

I can only imagine why we have 6,000-10,000 guests (or bots) crawling on our message board
at any time of the day or night. AI is getting trained on our content, LOL.

Oh....they know. They KNOWWWWW alright.

It's one of the requisite "abilities" of a con artist. They must be able to look a diabolical debunk directly in the eye and not blink.

Certainly Hubbard knew the tech was not working. He knew he had ZERO of the paranormal powers that he blithely marketed to his duped donors. Mary Sue knew (like Ron) that she could not exteriorize despite receiving thousands of hours of auditing. Ron knew in the late 50's that Dianetics did not produce a clear, yet he cheerfully continued selling the fraudulent Dianetics auditing, books and course for the next 25 years.

Certainly Miscavige knows that Clears are not Clear and OTs are not OT. If he thought for one minute that those states were possible to achieve, he would have ZERO reason to bank billions of dollars in real estate donations and then take the entire real estate portfolio away from the Scientologists and staff members and put it in a labyrinth of off shore trusts that ONLY HE controlled via fully controlled trustees and proxies. It is not a mistake that he lives the life of a multi-millionaire while enslaving billion year cult faithful and denying them money, personal time, personal posessions, freedom or knowledge/access of the outside world.

And WOGs know Scientology is a freakishly fugazi racket too.

The only people that DON'T KNOW it's a hoax are the "knowing how to know" experts- - -the duped donors.

The fraudsters (Scientology and otherwise) know exactly what they are doing. Reid Slatkin knew for years that he was raising money from new investors to support his suffocating Ponzi scheme. Racketeer Bernie Madoff knew that he had blown all the billions he supposedly had "under management" but he too kept raising hundreds and hundeds and hundreds of billions more to keep up the facade that the investors were reaping unheard of returns on their investments.

They know full well at the top of the OT racket that there are NO upper levels beyond OT VIII. All existing OTs know that they never acquired any of the magical powers they were promised. Their only remaining and unraveling string of hope is that the NEXT level will solve the decades of massive fail that preceded it.

The con game continues at full speed. Nobody within the power structure of the cult DARES to stop (or even slow) that fabulously fake freight train of fraud and funding because.......that is the core essence of Scientology. That's why Hubbard created it in 1950. To make tons of money. The fraudulent DNA of Scientology has never changed one bit, it's only metastasized and spread.

HERE IS THE TRUE TEST OF WHETHER UPPPER CULT MANAGEMENT KNOWS IT'S A COMPLETE FAKE: Just ask one of them if they can demonstrate to you ANY of the magical powers that Hubbard guaranteed since the early 1950s. Ask them (if they have none of those powers) if they can at least produce ONE (1) Scientology OT that can demonstrate even ONE (1) of those miraculous feats (e.g. exteriorization, et al). What will happen if you ask them? They will sleazily sidestep your request.

What will happen if you keep asking (as in TR-3 and TR-4)?

ANSWER: They will viciously attack you for being an "SP".

THE TELL: The first clue that someone knows that they are part of a con game is that instead of answering your simple question in a friendly and sane way, they lose their minds and begin trying to "shatter" and "utterly destroy" you before they issue a crazed "declare order" on you which call for your destruction. Because you are an SP. And Hitler was also an SP. Ergo, you are literally as bad as Hitler.

CONCLUSION: Honest people don't act like terrorists when they are asked simple and obvious questions. The bottom line is that Scientology is (itself) a MISSED WITHHOLD. As well as a MYTHED withhold. Don't be fooled by the naval uniforms. LOL.

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[HelluvaHoax!]

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WHAT DO SCIENTOLOGISTS DO WHEN THEY ARE
CAUGHT IN THE BRIGHT HEADLIGHTS OF
BEING DISGRACEFULLY DEBUNKED?

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ANSWER: They double down (i.e. "attack")

HOW IT WORKS: OT VIII complains that they did not get the OT powers.

SCIENTOLOGY EXEC
Oh so you are upset that you spent $600,000 and did
not get any of miraculous OT powers that you were promised?

OT VIII
Yes, very upset. I lost my house due to foreclosure and I
lost my car due to reposssesion. And i lost my business
due to bankruptcy from all the donations I made.

SCIENTOLOGY EXEC
Well! We can certainly handle that!

OT VIII
Really? So you are approving my refund?

SCIENTOLOGY EXEC
Listen, we can absolutely fix your problem. What you need
to do first of all is stop nattering and spreading entheta. I
am sending you to Ethics to do all of your lower conditions
for betraying Ron's trust by spreading enturbulation about
Ron's Bridge To Total Freedom. When you work your way
up to the AMENDS PROJECT, I first need you to buy your
next IAS status which is only $100,000. And to make up
all the damage you have caused, you will need to donate
at least $300,000 to the Ideal Org program so we can
do the remodeling on the building we bought. After
that, you will need to pay $100,000 for OT repairs
and OT IX set-ups so that your case is not driving
you to commit all these suppressive acts that
sabotage Ron's dream of a clear planet!

OT VIII
Wait, are you asking me to donate another
$500,000 on top of the $600,000 I
already lost on Scientology?!

SCIENTOLOGY EXEC
What are you rambling on about--Look, for only
another $500K you will be attaining Total
Freedom and Immortality and infinite
riches and happiness beyond your
imagination. Do the math! When you
amortize the cost over eternity
that comes out to less than one
penny per century! Besides, if
you don't pay it and handle
your situation, you'll get
declared and lose your
wife and children and
all your friends too.
Look, we're doing
all this to help YOU,
so how about showing
a little gratitude, huh?!

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[ILove2Lurk]

Oh....they know. They KNOWWWWW alright.
. . .

@HelluvaHoax! I emailed Sam Altman and told him if he wants to train his AIs
about scientology, just send them over here and have them "grok" your posts.

 

[Type4_PTS]

HOW IT WORKS: OT VIII complains that they did not get the OT powers.

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I wonder how many people would have paid for their OT levels had they known in advance that the OT levels they paid for were later going to be reclassified as "pre-OT levels".

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I wonder how many people would have paid for their OT levels had they known in advance that the OT levels they paid for were later going to be reclassified as "pre-OT levels".

LOL! Yeah every time you finish an OT level you are r-factored that "everything up to that point is negative gain" and that the very next OT level is the "FIRST REAL OT LEVEL" where you get your magical powers.

If i started Scientology all over again I would pay for each OT level with a check that was written from a closed account. When they called me in to say that my check bounced, I would tell them that my check was "negative gain" and that on the next OT level that will be the "FIRST REAL CHECK" I would give them.

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[HelluvaHoax!]

Oh....they know. They KNOWWWWW alright.

It's one of the requisite "abilities" of a con artist. They must be able to look a diabolical debunk directly in the eye and not blink.

Certainly Hubbard knew the tech was not working. He knew he had ZERO of the paranormal powers that he blithely marketed to his duped donors. Mary Sue knew (like Ron) that she could not exteriorize despite receiving thousands of hours of auditing. Ron knew in the late 50's that Dianetics did not produce a clear, yet he cheerfully continued selling the fraudulent Dianetics auditing, books and course for the next 25 years.

Certainly Miscavige knows that Clears are not Clear and OTs are not OT. If he thought for one minute that those states were possible to achieve, he would have ZERO reason to bank billions of dollars in real estate donations and then take the entire real estate portfolio away from the Scientologists and staff members and put it in a labyrinth of off shore trusts that ONLY HE controlled via fully controlled trustees and proxies. It is not a mistake that he lives the life of a multi-millionaire while enslaving billion year cult faithful and denying them money, personal time, personal posessions, freedom or knowledge/access of the outside world.

And WOGs know Scientology is a freakishly fugazi racket too.

The only people that DON'T KNOW it's a hoax are the "knowing how to know" experts- - -the duped donors.

The fraudsters (Scientology and otherwise) know exactly what they are doing. Reid Slatkin knew for years that he was raising money from new investors to support his suffocating Ponzi scheme. Racketeer Bernie Madoff knew that he had blown all the billions he supposedly had "under management" but he too kept raising hundreds and hundeds and hundreds of billions more to keep up the facade that the investors were reaping unheard of returns on their investments.

They know full well at the top of the OT racket that there are NO upper levels beyond OT VIII. All existing OTs know that they never acquired any of the magical powers they were promised. Their only remaining and unraveling string of hope is that the NEXT level will solve the decades of massive fail that preceded it.

The con game continues at full speed. Nobody within the power structure of the cult DARES to stop (or even slow) that fabulously fake freight train of fraud and funding because.......that is the core essence of Scientology. That's why Hubbard created it in 1950. To make tons of money. The fraudulent DNA of Scientology has never changed one bit, it's only metastasized and spread.

HERE IS THE TRUE TEST OF WHETHER UPPPER CULT MANAGEMENT KNOWS IT'S A COMPLETE FAKE: Just ask one of them if they can demonstrate to you ANY of the magical powers that Hubbard guaranteed since the early 1950s. Ask them (if they have none of those powers) if they can at least produce ONE (1) Scientology OT that can demonstrate even ONE (1) of those miraculous feats (e.g. exteriorization, et al). What will happen if you ask them? They will sleazily sidestep your request.

What will happen if you keep asking (as in TR-3 and TR-4)?

ANSWER: They will viciously attack you for being an "SP".

THE TELL: The first clue that someone knows that they are part of a con game is that instead of answering your simple question in a friendly and sane way, they lose their minds and begin trying to "shatter" and "utterly destroy" you before they issue a crazed "declare order" on you which call for your destruction. Because you are an SP. And Hitler was also an SP. Ergo, you are literally as bad as Hitler.

CONCLUSION: Honest people don't act like terrorists when they are asked simple and obvious questions. The bottom line is that Scientology is (itself) a MISSED WITHHOLD. As well as a MYTHED withhold. Don't be fooled by the naval uniforms. LOL.

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TYPO CORRECTION:

"...the fraudsters (Scientology and otherwise) know exactly what they are doing. Reid Slatkin knew for years that he was raising money from new investors to support his suffocating Ponzi scheme. Racketeer Bernie Madoff knew that he had blown all the billions he supposedly had "under management" but he too kept raising hundreds and hundeds and hundreds of billions millions more to keep up the facade that the investors were reaping unheard of returns on their investments."​

Now nobody can accuse me of "besmirching the good name of Bernie Madoff".

LOL. I am still laughing that once upon a time Marty Rathbun had the hallucinogenic power to post on his website—that he was ensuring that nobody was allowed to "besmirch the good name of L. Ron Hubbard". Yeah, we sure as heck wouldn't want that manifest injustice to happen.

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[ILove2Lurk]

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"Miscavige has run a continuous propaganda campaign attempting to besmirch
the good name of L Ron Hubbard. He has consistently given little interest
and funds for defending public relations attacks on Hubbard."
May 25, 2010 ~ Marty Rathbun on M Rinder's Blog

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[I M Dex]

I think Marty was just trying to show off his vocabulary, and how many opportunities can there be to work "besmirching" into a conversation? And isn't it only a big deal when its done repeatedly? At which point it becomes "resmirching", and now you've got something.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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"Miscavige has run a continuous propaganda campaign attempting to besmirch
the good name of L Ron Hubbard. He has consistently given little interest
and funds for defending public relations attacks on Hubbard."
May 25, 2010 ~ Marty Rathbun on M Rinder's Blog

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LOL! Too good!!!

Today i concluded (for many reasons) that Rathbun was running a black-op caper by pretending to blow.

In order to shut down Indie Scn and at the same time gather intel leverage on ALL of the former churchies who sprinted to Rathbun's website in order to "DO THEIR LOWER CONDITIONS".

So for the "greatest good" he would have had permission to TRASH miscavige or Hubbard as much as needed to CONVINCE Indies and other SPs that he had really blown from Scientology.

But, not so. When the coast was clear and he had exhausted the useful indie idiots giving him sensitive personal info about themselves (and other blown infidels and "defrocked apostates", Rathbun rand straight back to HELPING HUBBARD & MISCAVIGE shatter their enemies, even posting attack videos against anyone critical of the cults infallible 2 gurus, Hubbard and Minister Miscavige.

Tinfoil as it may be....that's my bet today. And don't get any fancy ideas about besmirching my good name. LOL

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[guanoloco]

I wonder how many people would have paid for their OT levels had they known in advance that the OT levels they paid for were later going to be reclassified as "pre-OT levels".

Here's a great BIG stupid and that's the "have before you can be" of x amount of people onto such and such a level and every org Old Saint Hill size BEFORE releasing OT IX and X. These are MEST considerations.

 

[guanoloco]

Now, @Type4_PTS and @ILove2Lurk and @HelluvaHoax! have had some great fun posting material from the OT band and the advanced lectures material and all that.

But here's a stupid to ponder.

The ultimate OT answer is TOTAL CAUSE over MEST. Hubbard pontificates all of the time about time being a mere consideration and being able to actually be present anywhere on the TimeTrack, etc.

He talks about being able to be in multiple locations simultaneously and all of that.

Well, here's the logical outcome of all of this.

The idea or "consideration" that Ron can't Clear everyone is actually Succumb Postulate.

If Scientology were factual then Time is merely a consideration. That means that Ron would become so infinite in OTness that he could duplicate himself any number of times and run any number of physical bodies in any time and all time frames simultaneously.

All of the maudlin pleas to get trained and build a better bridge and all of that and that the task is too large for him alone to bear is proving that Scientology doesn't work.

If it did work and it worked at the level of the claims made by Hubbard then he would've at some time - even if it were some time in the infinite future - achieved this state of OT. That means that he would've immediately been able to duplicate or replicate his body an infinite amount of times and personally audited every single MEST composite to full OT. Since this hasn't happened then it means that Scientology as claimed does not work. Again, this would be instantaneous the minute he hit this ability - so no matter how far in the distant future this were to occur, if Scientology factually worked as claimed it would occur and then, immediately, Ron could do this OT task with ease and aplomb. Again, since this hasn't happened that means that Scientology doesn't work.

It's that stupid.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Here's a great BIG stupid and that's the "have before you can be" of x amount of people onto such and such a level and every org Old Saint Hill size BEFORE releasing OT IX and X.

A perfect example of Scientology logic. . . by the numbers:

1. (1950). Hubbard releases Dianetics and the state of Clear and announces his master plan to "CLEAR THE PLANET"

2. (2026). Seventy-six years after setting the goal to Clear planet earth and there are zero clear countries. Zero clear cities. Zero clear towns. Zero clear villages. Zero clear hamlets. Zero clear districts. Zero clear neighborhoods. Zero clear blocks. Zero clear streets. Zero clears too!

3. Being "unreasonable" (even after zero clears were produced after three-quarters of a century) Scientologists continue to push Scientologists up the Bridge because the higher one goes the more "causative" they become. In fact in the upper OT levels they become "TOTAL CAUSE OVER LIFE".

4. So that has now become the "bright idea" to clear the planet. By pushing all beings up to the higher OT levels. That will work.

5. Except Scientologists are forbidden from doing the highest OT levels (OT IX, OT X, et al). Those higher OT levels cannot be released until scientologists buy more buildings and turn them into "Ideal Orgs" which are the "size of Old St. Hill."

6. Except Scientologists are NOT ABLE ENOUGH to raise billions of dollars of new donations to buy those empty buildings.

7. Because they NOT ABLE ENOUGH, Scientology does not want to "reward a downstat" by giving them the upper OT levels. Even though the upper OT levels are designed to miraculously raise their "cause level"--which would enable them to clear the planet.

8. Therefore, until Scientologists raise themselves to the level of "TOTAL CAUSE" without the highest OT levels necessary to become Total Cause, the planet must remain uncleared.

9. In fact if anyone LEAKED the upper-most OT levels so that Scientologists could run the processes, they would be promptly declared SP and expelled from Scientology.

10. The brilliant solution to the church's paradoxical dilemma is obvious. Get Scientologists to PAY for the upper (unreleased) OT levels but never never never release them and allow anyone to do those levels. Because those levels don't work or produce any results whatsoever---other than creating a massive new wave of BLOWS when the duped donors realize there the state of OT (like the state of Clear) does not exist.

CONCLUSION: There you have it, comrades! The 10 points of KSD ("Keeping Scientologists Donating").


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[ILove2Lurk]

Today i concluded (for many reasons) that Rathbun was running a black-op caper by pretending to blow.

~
Outtake from filming at Scientology Media Productions 2017
"They'll believe anything won't they? It's pretty obvious. They'll all believe what we
tell them to believe. We learned that a long time ago. It's the most workable thing
about Scientology after all. You're not recording me now are you? Good!"

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[Type4_PTS]

Here's a great BIG stupid and that's the "have before you can be" of x amount of people onto such and such a level and every org Old Saint Hill size BEFORE releasing OT IX and X. These are MEST considerations.

If CoS could create Clears with the abilities promised by Hubbard, there would be 10,000 orgs on the planet by now, each of them old Saint Hill size. Unfortunately for the CoS, the number of Clears with those promised abilities is still zero.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

If CoS could create Clears with the abilities promised by Hubbard, there would be 10,000 orgs on the planet by now, each of them old Saint Hill size. Unfortunately for the CoS, the number of Clears with those promised abilities is still zero.

All of what you are describing is a problem that now has a solution!

At a confidential VIP briefing yesterday, the Church of Scientology announced the greatest technical breakthrough since Ron discovered engrams. It is a monumental discovery on the order of magnitude of the discovery of the wheel, electricity and the perceptic disc that comes free with any purchase of Ron's book "Self Analysis".

At that briefing an announcement was made that there is a new Grade Chart level that: "...will boost the thetan power of anyone who completes the new level by a factor of 137 times greater than the that of an OT VIII."

Minister Miscavige went on to disclose the fact that this new level "...unleashes 17 thunderous OT abilities that have lied dormant for hundreds of billions of years on the being's timetrack. This level is beyond our imagination because it returns to the being all their native OT powers, which will finally make planetary clearing a reality!"

Then we were shown a video presentation that explained that within one year of the new rundown's release there will one billion new Scientologists on this planet. Minister Miscavige said this is part of OT level 15, otherwise known as the "One-One Magic Powers Rundown"

He then briefed us on the coolest part: "...when the number of OT 15 completions reaches a certain level, the planet can rather easily be cleared within one decade!"

Minister Miscavige then explained: "The magnified intention and sheer postulate power of an OT 15 t is so strong that nothing on this planet can stop or prevent an OT 15 from being total cause over all barriers to planetary clearing!"

After Minister Miscavige received a 20 minus standing ovation, Tom Cruise took the stage and urged all Scientologists on this planet to quickly do what is necessary to allow the release of OT 15. "...all we have to do for OT 15 to be released is to first get 100 million new Scientologists on the bridge and only 80 million of those new recruits thru OT 14 completion and OT 15 Setups."

Oh wait, there's one more thing, each of the 80 million would also have to donate or raise at least one million dollars so that we can build the new OT 15 DELIVERY BUILDING which is necessary to safeguard the super-confidential OT 15 auditing commands that unleash supernatural powers....so that no unethical people on this planet can ever regain their OT powers which can unethically be used trick and overpower and and weaken and overwhelm others to the point where really bad beings can defraud them and steal all their money.