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[Hatshepsut]

Fair enough Hats, but are you saying that women don't have a problem at all with men looking at them intently and desiring them sexually)? Even though I'm male myself I can imagine that must be an uncomfortable experience, especially if the woman isn't attracted to the man concerned.

How could I be saying that?. I was behind the bar in hotel lounges.....the very place where the game is played. Seen plenty of that. It makes you mad when
you're crowded and busy trying to make tips... and a single gal has to siphon all chaotic bits of attention upon her. Any crisis gets manufactured,...purse stolen...broken shoe heel...toilet plugged up__urgent urgent. Of course the pinnacle of the night on the town is bragging that somebody really desperately, wants into her pants. Projection!

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Too bad Ogger couldn't come up with a technique to deal with his own mental illness and avoid suicide. I think he would have been better off with a real therapist and (perhaps) medication rather than dreaming up his own imaginary LRH-inspired techniques.

Exactly.

Life must be exhausting when constantly feeling the need to do some preordained mental gymnastics every time something "happens" (or you imagine it happened).

 

[Hatshepsut]

The map might not be the territory, but if sure helps if you've got one.

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

How could I be saying that?. I was behind the bar in hotel lounges.....the very place where the game is played. Seen plenty of that. It makes you mad when
you're crowded and busy trying to make tips... and a single gal has to siphon all chaotic bits of attention upon her. Any crisis gets manufactured,...purse stolen...broken shoe heel...toilet plugged up__urgent urgent. Of course the pinnacle of the night on the town is bragging that somebody really desperately, wants into her pants. Projection!

Fair enough, and as a 6 foot plus male I'm probably the wrong person to make this argument; I'm just distilling down from what I've seen, read and heard from women about their experiences.

But isn't there a sneaking fear on the woman's behalf that, out of the 19 men in the club who fancy her that night, one might be a predator who will drag her into a bush and rape her (men being the stronger sex on the whole)? You seem to be discounting this possibility completely.

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

Exactly.

Life must be exhausting when constantly feeling the need to do some preordained mental gymnastics every time something "happens" (or you imagine it happened).

This was discussed at length in the old board; would that we still had access to it, especially as Veda isn't here at the moment to take up the argument (and tell me I'm talking out of my arse).

However, I don't discount the possibility - and I agree it's no more than that - that Pilot was telling the truth and the Church did run Black Scientology on him. It was odd that he suddenly went into that massive collapse around the turn of the millennium (1999-2000) and for no obvious reason, when he was doing fine before.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

This was discussed at length in the old board; would that we still had access to it, especially as Veda isn't here at the moment to take up the argument (and tell me I'm talking out of my arse).

However, I don't discount the possibility - and I agree it's no more than that - that Pilot was telling the truth and the Church did run Black Scientology on him. It was odd that he suddenly went into that massive collapse around the turn of the millennium (1999-2000) and for no obvious reason, when he was doing fine before.

I wasn't referring to anyone specifically Cats and I have no interest at all in scientology, black, blue, green or otherwise ... but (even after all this time) it still occasionally grates when I see people attempting to push their gibberish on others.

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

I wasn't referring to anyone specifically Cats and I have no interest at all in scientology, black, blue, green or otherwise ... but (even after all this time) it still occasionally grates when I see people attempting to push their gibberish on others.

Hi again Trouble,

I'm aware of that, but if somebody (XenuHimself in this case) raises the issue of Pilot and how what happened to him might have related to the Tech, I'll answer it to the best of my ability.

This section of the board is called "Freezone, Indy and Other Flavours of Scientology", so I took it as read that discussion of tech issues is welcome here. Presumably Ed did too because he started the thread (and I'm glad that he did).

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Hi again Trouble,

I'm aware of that, but if somebody (XenuHimself in this case) raises the issue of Pilot and how what happened to him might have related to the Tech, I'll answer it to the best of my ability.

This section of the board is called "Freezone, Indy and Other Flavours of Scientology", so I took it as read that discussion of tech issues is welcome here. Presumably Ed did too because he started the thread (and I'm glad that he did).

Hello Cats,

Well, you read the XenuHimself post very differently to how I read it and your response was to my post, not his ... but please don't concern yourself with my interruption, I still can't seem to help myself on occasion, even after all these years ... I clearly need urgent help.

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

Hello Cats,

Well, you read the XenuHimself post very differently to how I read it and your response was to my post, not his ... but please don't concern yourself with my interruption, I still can't seem to help myself on occasion, even after all these years ... I clearly need urgent help.

OK, I see that you're right now. XH was referring to the inability of the techniques Pilot used on himself to save him from his fate (whatever that was), and wasn't mentioning the Tech's role in bringing that condition about in the first place. Sorry for any confusion.

I wish I could read that old board again though, it seems to be down at the moment.

 

[Type4_PTS]

However, I don't discount the possibility - and I agree it's no more than that - that Pilot was telling the truth and the Church did run Black Scientology on him. It was odd that he suddenly went into that massive collapse around the turn of the millennium (1999-2000) and for no obvious reason, when he was doing fine before.

I don't doubt for a moment that the Church would run Black Scientology on its perceived enemies. They're evil AF, and their "scriptures" allow them to do this.

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

I don't doubt for a moment that the Church would run Black Scientology on its perceived enemies. They're evil AF, and their "scriptures" allow them to do this.

Yes, I agree. I wish Veda was here to answer this but he doubted whether the Church considered Pilot enough of a threat to want to run Black Scientology on him.

For me the jury's out on that one. I remember that there was a time when the alt.religion.scientology servers were getting heavily spammed, and it was thought that the CofS had managed to find a Hip Crime spammer and back him up with big bucks. Or it may have been some unknown person, who knows.

What's not in doubt is the coming of the internet was very bad news for Scientology and something they clearly hadn't planned for, because it destroyed the tight control they had concerning the flow of information.

 

[Type4_PTS]

What's not in doubt is the coming of the internet was very bad news for Scientology and something they clearly hadn't planned for, because it destroyed the tight control they had concerning the flow of information.

 

[Type4_PTS]

Yes, I agree. I wish Veda was here to answer this but he doubted whether the Church considered Pilot enough of a threat to want to run Black Scientology on him.

I don't know enough about it to say one way or the other. That said, I've been surprised by allegations in the past that Scientology ran fair game campaigns against people who really didn't do much of significance to deserve it. Sometimes the justice given out isn't proportional to the offenses committed, such as putting a 4-year-old boy in a chain locker on a ship for chewing on a telex.

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

I don't know enough about it to say one way or the other. That said, I've been surprised by allegations in the past that Scientology ran fair game campaigns against people who really didn't do much of significance to deserve it. Sometimes the justice given out isn't proportional to the offenses committed, such as putting a 4-year-old boy in a chain locker on a ship for chewing on a telex.

As you probably know though, there are no such things as children in Scientology and they don't recognise the concept. It's all "thetans in little bodies". That's why no one at St Hill thought it was strange that (according to Steve Bisbey) at one point the Ethics Officer was a 14 year old boy.

 

[Type4_PTS]

As you probably know though, there are no such things as children in Scientology and they don't recognise the concept. It's all "thetans in little bodies". That's why no one at St Hill thought it was strange that (according to Steve Bisbey) at one point the Ethics Officer was a 14 year old boy.

You're correct. The thetan was probably 408,000,000,000,000 years old, so putting him in a chain locker doesn't seem as bad as putting a 4-year-old boy in for a couple of days.

 

[I M Dex]

I don't know enough about it to say one way or the other. That said, I've been surprised by allegations in the past that Scientology ran fair game campaigns against people who really didn't do much of significance to deserve it. Sometimes the justice given out isn't proportional to the offenses committed, such as putting a 4-year-old boy in a chain locker on a ship for chewing on a telex.

Hubbard instilled, passing on from himself, an intense vitriol toward anyone and anything that even seemed to detract from his stature of singular omnipotence, and an all-consuming determination to utterly destroy that "other-determinism" to eliminate any possibility of it having such an effect on anyone. Such was Hubbard's terror of being found wanting as a person and not being accepted. And so those so indoctrinated to "defend the tech all all costs for the greater good against the unworthy forces of evil", and in that diseased mentality, no holds are barred.

 

[Hatshepsut]

Yes, I agree. I wish Veda was here to answer this but he doubted whether the Church considered Pilot enough of a threat to want to run Black Scientology on him.

For me the jury's out on that one. I remember that there was a time when the alt.religion.scientology servers were getting heavily spammed, and it was thought that the CofS had managed to find a Hip Crime spammer and back him up with big bucks. Or it may have been some unknown person, who knows.

I wish Veda were here too.

Pilot, before his death at the bottom of the swimming pool, had complained of the same weird things as others leaving cults of the past. Being stalked, having unknown types of drugs put in food or drink or needles, gotten into his bloodstream. The whole scene is like some bad time loop repeating for certain archetypical characters, like Ken Ogger ( The Pilot ) You can have a good time playing Wizard but have to be wary of the influences surrounding you.

Marty Rathbun mentioned Black Dianetics. I supposed that just meant auditing a person into some restimulation. DM revealed a dark intention for defectors to die alone in the dark... in pain. Hell, every 'Mummy' movie since silence film, contained curses upon those who broke the oath. Is this just par for the course in secret societies over millennia.... Might be so many earlier incidents in certain groups, that ill-will gets triggered unconsciously across individuals. They've agreed to punish each other for breaks of the code.....or to be punished themselves..

I kept having deadly mishaps near my end time in Scientology. Not all were in my car, but, all nearly left me crippled for life. I looked for agreements I might have regarding this subject, which left me vulnerable to being punished or completely arrested.. I did discover some clicking on with frightening feelings. Was my own set up machinery causing me to harm myself, and might not others have similar unconscious triggers to cooperate?

 

[Ed8]

I wish Veda were here too.

Pilot, before his death at the bottom of the swimming pool, had complained of the same weird things as others leaving cults of the past. Being stalked, having unknown types of drugs put in food or drink or needles, gotten into his bloodstream. The whole scene is like some bad time loop repeating for certain archetypical characters, like Ken Ogger ( The Pilot ) You can have a good time playing Wizard but have to be wary of the influences surrounding you.

Marty Rathbun mentioned Black Dianetics. I supposed that just meant auditing a person into some restimulation. DM revealed a dark intention for defectors to die alone in the dark... in pain. Hell, every 'Mummy' movie since silence film, contained curses upon those who broke the oath. Is this just par for the course in secret societies over millennia.... Might be so many earlier incidents in certain groups, that ill-will gets triggered unconsciously across individuals. They've agreed to punish each other for breaks of the code.....or to be punished themselves..

I kept having deadly mishaps near my end time in Scientology. Not all were in my car, but, all nearly left me crippled for life. I looked for agreements I might have regarding this subject, which left me vulnerable to being punished or completely arrested.. I did discover some clicking on with frightening feelings. Was my own set up machinery causing me to harm myself, and might not others have similar unconscious triggers to cooperate?Hats,

Hats,
To be affected in the manner you describe there must be agreements which leave you, or Ogger, vulnerable; and there also needs to be a lack of magickal training. Then the group mind of scientology can successfully attack. To defend, the important part is to power-up and seal your aura. You learn this in Magick. Hubbard didn't teach it, though as an OTO initiate he certainly knew how. Gee, did he deliberately leave his followers vulnerable? ;-P

Where's Veda?
Ed

 

[Hatshepsut]

Hats,
To be affected in the manner you describe there must be agreements which leave you, or Ogger, vulnerable; and there also needs to be a lack of magickal training. Then the group mind of scientology can successfully attack. To defend, the important part is to power-up and seal your aura. You learn this in Magick. Hubbard didn't teach it, though as an OTO initiate he certainly knew how. Gee, did he deliberately leave his followers vulnerable? ;-P

Where's Veda?
Ed

Hubbard most definitely knew his followers were being dumbed down. LoL, Nibs said so in 1983's Penthouse mag!

Founder of Scientology's son said his dad drugged him and thought of himself as the Antichrist

A 1983 interview with Penthouse reveals what L. Ron Hubbard's son really thought of him.

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I was just beginning to read The Oddest Inkling, about one of Ron's ilk, Charles Williams. This Oxford group of the sci fi having occult currents, included and debated with the Christian apologists. They boasted a similar atmosphere as in Renaissance times when you could be burned at the stake....in their very exact location of study, lol

Hubbard tried to get his foothold in a similar time of distrust between growing 1950s Catholicism and atheist viewpoints of Modernism and the Beat movements. He tried to win both sides of the coin without having a career ended. Clandestine beliefs on how a person competes for the upper hand, manipulating elements of their material world, were not disclosed. Whether their secret tenets were fundamental truths or personal considerations, it was advisable not to lay oneself open to attack.




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On the 9th of July, 1915, Waite “consecrated the Salvator Mundi Temple of the Fellowship of the Rosy Cross.” Waite's Order was supposed to be Christian and mystical, rather than pagan and magical, and it combined elements from Masonic, kabbalistic, alchemical, and Tarotic tradition in its rituals.
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Arthur Waite had broken away from the Crowley-ites and founded his own enlightenment group, The Brotherhood of the Rosy Cross. It professed benevolence in uplifting the future of Man. It's adherents had, many of them. already come up the levels and degrees offered in former 'magical. orders. The parallels between Ron's Scientology curriculum and his former involvement was secret. It was group agreement not to reveal rituals or vocalize one's attainments.

The alchemical integration of the opposites in the magical order, took away basic accrued, hard cored, ideas which defined the individual uniquely through his lifetime experiences. Whether through karma busing or ser fac, the person was laid open for his next level of spiritual change....ready to be rewritten. This is the point where wisdom and discernment was necessary. Not KSW which protected the god-like 'programmer'

I'd wager most adherents meeting some early demise, did fail to protect themselves against.....friends! Why in an ambiance of love and brotherhood would you erect protections to bar any breaches upon your personal universe. Mistake. This is what is found in diaries of those involved, who became ill. It seems at the bottom.... the very meat of it. They were driven by jealousies regarding the Individual__ spirit. That there are '.....shiny new beings, freshly arrived in this universe' ( quote from Ron early 80s?) must've meant a fresh, inexperienced, and naive supply. Maybe, there's some some evil being archetype we unconsciously enable, having in itself, this appetite for available, pure life force.

Ron posited that ARC and ARC breaks, were intrinsically based on withholds at one time. Like one could not even exist without the other. For many, this infallible maxim would end up being incorrect___ chicken or egg analogy. TR 'K' or TR-Kindness or love bombing was not recognized as a tool of the ego-ists.