SCIENTOLOGY TACTICS: MIKE RINDER in the Hot Seat - Protesters Crash SCIENTOLOGY Event

[Type4_PTS]

Thanks for that info
Any chance you could post the 16 questions?
I don’t have them handy and I don’t have time to listen and write them down
If not - no worries

I've not found the written list as yet.

I also was looking for the response to the questions from the attorney which Rabbit posted at the time into her Community tab on her YouTube account but I cannot find it as yet.

 

[Type4_PTS]

It does not matter to me who invited Mike to be on a board to help abused children

I asked what are his qualifications?
IMO - I think this would disqualify him
The head of the dirty tricks department of Scientology where critics were destroyed utterly, crimes were covered up and people were harmed and murdered.

Isaac, were you ever a true believer when you were in? If yes, I bet you're values are dramatically different about so many things now.
Scientology IMO causes mental illness. But it's not permanent. I made decisions when in that I know now were really destructive. People can and do change. Marci Hamilton, the person for Child USA is a heavyweight when it comes to fighting for the civil rights of children. I'm sure the decision to bring him on board wasn't made lightly.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I am not claiming anyone is an expert
Toddie1skip is a never in
She has been following this saga and has an opinion
Has she been declared and is not allowed to give an opinion?
LOL
I can find more opinions of never ins and 2nd gens...but no one watches them here and a few Mike Rinder fans (Sneaks et al) only parrot everything Mike Rinder claims and says and won't take the time to listen to the 2nd gens and Miriam Francis.
I listened to them and I agree with them on their points.

I would have kept to myself on this latest interview with Jon A however, I feel the point is being missed and Mike Rinder is really good at avoiding the point.

I have no ax to grind with Mr. Rinder or Jon A - I appreciate all they do
I feel they are trying to confuse people as to what the real issue is and then I realized Jon A was on the board of the AF - so it all makes sense...
It's culty IMHO

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Have you ever shared whether you were previously in Scientology?

Or are you a never-in?

If you haven't shared it, are you comfortable to answer that question?

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[Isaac]

Isaac, were you ever a true believer when you were in? If yes, I bet you're values are dramatically different about so many things now.
Scientology IMO causes mental illness. But it's not permanent. I made decisions when in that I know now were really destructive. People can and do change. Marci Hamilton, the person for Child USA is a heavyweight when it comes to fighting for the civil rights of children. I'm sure the decision to bring him on board wasn't made lightly.

I hear you PTS but I disagree and nothing you say will change my mind
Yes - I was a cult member however, my values are the same now as when I was in
They never changed
I never harmed one person when I was in
When I saw the abuse - I immediately left the cult
So - we will disagree on this matter
It’s okay
We don’t have to agree on everything
We do agree on a lot of things - and that’s cool
So let’s agree to just be friends and respect that we have differing opinions.
Sound good?

 

[Isaac]

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Have you ever shared whether you were previously in Scientology?

Or are you a never-in?

If you haven't shared it, are you comfortable to answer that question?

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Yes… HelluvaHoax… I was in the cult for a decade
I maintained my personal integrity and values
I never harmed anyone when I was in
The 1st time I witnessed abuse - I blew

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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.........Mr. Rinder or Jon A - I feel they are trying to confuse people as to what the real issue is and then I realized Jon A was on the board of the AF - so it all makes sense...It's culty IMHO

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Interesting, you think Mike Rinder is culty.

And, you also think John Atack is culty.

And, you have promoted toddie1skip who did an entire video claiming that A-Aron is running a cult. Do you agree with toddie1skip that A-Aron is also running a cult?

Any other ex-Scientology whistleblowers you also believe are part of a cult?

Do you agree with Alanzo and Mark Rathbun's countless postings and videos about the "ASC" (Anti-Scientology Cult)?

Don't be shy, let us know what you think. LOL


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[Isaac]

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Interesting, you think Mike Rinder is culty.

And, you also think John Atack is culty.

And, you have promote toddie1skip who did an entire video claiming that A-Aron is running a cult. Do you agree with toddie1skip that A-Aron is also running a cult?

Any other ex-Scientology whistleblowers you also believe are part of a cult?

Do you agree with Alanzo and Mark Rathbun's countless postings and videos about the "ASC" (Anti-Scientology Cult)?

Don't be shy, let us know what you think. LOL


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Is it ok for people to disagree?
I think so
You have your opinion which is ok
I have mine which should be ok
Is it? I hope so

Regarding Rinder and Attacks interview….
I said the way they handled the Miriam Francis flap was culty - the video interview

I do not promote Toddieskip
I don’t watch her videos much at all
She made a video that came out on my feed about the subject and had an opinion
I did not know she does not like Aaron but I don’t care - she’s entitled to her opinion

If she thinks Aaron has a cult than I’m a member and its totally cool cuz he is fun! I like his channel and the work he does

I do think some ex Scientologists are in a group of haters when it comes to politics
They exude hate if someone has a differing opinion and to me, it’s weird

Do I agree with Mark Rathbun and Alonzo about the anti Scientology cult ?

no…I don’t agree with either of them
There is no cult of ex Scientologists
Everyone is free to think and speak for themselves and leave any forum

I think they are both suffering from a form of complex trauma

Something got triggered and they have devised this idea that us ex cult members are in a cult
It’s weird and makes no sense to me but I don’t pay much attention to them because we no longer have anything in common to discuss
They won’t let people discuss
They became bullies
Or
Scientology is paying them

 

[Type4_PTS]

I have no ax to grind with Mr. Rinder or Jon A - I appreciate all they do
I feel they are trying to confuse people as to what the real issue is and then I realized Jon A was on the board of the AF - so it all makes sense...
It's culty IMHO

IMO, Jon has NOT taken sides in all this and asked some questions reflecting that neutrality.
He asked all viewers watching the interview who had evidence of crimes of Mike Rinder to send it to Miriam. If she wanted to sue him then that would be the perfect directive from Jon, wouldn't it?

 

[Isaac]

IMO, Jon has NOT taken sides in all this and asked some questions reflecting that neutrality.
He asked all viewers watching the interview who had evidence of crimes of Mike Rinder to send it to Miriam. If she wanted to sue him then that would be the perfect directive from Jon, wouldn't it?

PTS - you have missed the point
Jon missed the point
The video was set up for Jon to defend Mike IMO and according to Miriam - Jon and Mike set this interview up a while ago.
Jon has lost my trust and should not serve on a board as is not fair as he should be doing a video for Miriam - the victim of SA

If you disagree - it’s okay with me

 

[Type4_PTS]

I hear you PTS but I disagree and nothing you say will change my mind
My values are the same now as when I was in
I never harmed one person when I was in
When I saw the abuse - I immediately left the cult
So - we will disagree on this matter
It’s okay
We don’t have to agree on everything
We do agree on a lot of things - and that’s cool
So let’s agree to just be friends and respect that we have differing opinions.
Sound good?

Yes, it sounds good. We're not in a cult so we can agree to disagree and still be friends.

Just to play a little bit of devil's advocate though I'll take issue with one point in your post. You said,
"When I saw the abuse I immediately left the cult".

I would wager that you did witness abuse on many occasions before you left, but you didn't see it as abuse back at that time.
Scientology organizations constantly engage in marketing fraud to everyone who walks in the door. Isn't that abusive?
They always promise things they cannot deliver.
They also use abusive techniques designed to persuade people. Hubbard lied his ass off time after time about so many things.
When we were in and didn't recognize that he was lying we didn't see it as abusive. But it IS, isn't it?

 

[Type4_PTS]

PTS - you have missed the point
Jon missed the point
The video was set up for Jon to defend Mike IMO
If you disagree - it’s okay with me

Yes, I disagree, but I give up, at least for the night.

 

[Isaac]

Yes, it sounds good. We're not in a cult so we can agree to disagree and still be friends.

Just to play a little bit of devil's advocate though I'll take issue with one point in your post. You said,
"When I saw the abuse I immediately left the cult".

I would wager that you did witness abuse on many occasions before you left, but you didn't see it as abuse back at that time.
Scientology organizations constantly engage in marketing fraud to everyone who walks in the door. Isn't that abusive?
They always promise things they cannot deliver.
They also use abusive techniques designed to persuade people. Hubbard lied his ass off time after time about so many things.
When we were in and didn't recognize that he was lying we didn't see it as abusive. But it IS, isn't it?

That is very true - it is all abuse
The abuse I referred to was more obvious
It was criminal and it was done to someone else

 

[Type4_PTS]

That is very true - it is all abuse
The abuse I referred to was more obvious
It was criminal and it was done to someone else

ALL of it is criminal, the abuse that is obvious and that which is not obvious.

If you went to a car dealer and paid him for a Lamborghini but he delivered you a Kia instead that would be a felony.
And that IS essentially what CoS does. They sell you states of Clear and OT yet not a single person has achieved these states (as they are described by Hubbard). Both of these examples, with the car dealer and the CoS are just different types of marketing fraud.

 

[Isaac]

ALL of it is criminal, the abuse that is obvious and that which is not obvious.

If you went to a car dealer and paid him for a Lamborghini but he delivered you a Kia instead that would be a felony.
And that IS essentially what CoS does. They sell you states of Clear and OT yet not a single person has achieved these states (as they are described by Hubbard). Both of these examples, with the car dealer and the CoS are just different types of marketing fraud.

I agree 100%
But we don’t know we are being scammed because the older - longer employed staff and Sea org are gaslighting us
If you were a staff member and you knew it was a scam… why did you stay and support it ?

 

[Isaac]

Miriam Francis posted this

 

[Isaac]

 

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[Isaac]

Miriam Francis response to Jon Attack and Mike Rinder video

 

[Isaac]