The Danny Masterson Trial thread

[Enthetan]

Additionally, getting absolution is not necessarily unconditional

Can a priest refuse absolution if a penitent refuses to confess a crime to the authorities?

Answer (1 of 9): A priest sets penance. You agree to do your penance the priest absolves you, you leave the confessional and do your penance, then the sacrament is complete and you are forgiven. If you stole a gnome from the presbytery garden, then you have to put it back and say three Hail Mary...

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Of course, if a person comes to confession, confesses a heinous crime, and shows not the slightest sign of remorse or purpose of amendment, then the priest will not give him absolution, simply because he hasn’t made a confession. And if a person comes to confession and confesses a heinous crime, the absolution the priest gives him is conditional upon his making recompense which would include, in most cases, the person turning himself in to civil authorities.

The priest, however, will never report that crime to authorities himself, since that is a grave violation of the seal of the confessional.

 

[mimsey borogrove]

Another difference is that Jesus never told his followers to set up hate websites on on infidels who didn't believe he was their savior.

Also, Jesus never demanded that his followers each donate 177,430 Shekels ($50K) in exchange for an IAC* lapel pin.
* IAC - International Association of Christians

Pitty. But wait, were't the money lenders whose tables he overturned screwing over his converts? Perhaps he was a loyal officer slamming in ethics, as, you know, the first recorded MAA?

He must have been a keyed out OT as he could walk on water, a goal I didn't achieve in Scientology.

And, it stands to reason, if he could change water into wine, he just as easily mocked any amount of gold needed to pay the utility bills and rent in his carpentry workshop or proto churches.

Ergo, he wouldn't need to hand out golden oxen trophies to his top IAC doners if he didn't need money.

Mimsey

 

[Lee #28]

covering forced abortions in the Sea Org.....

 

[onceuponatime]

Yes, the legal groundwork for "priest penitent privilege" comes from Christianity and the fundamental need to keep confessions private, where making a priest reveal confessed information would damage the religion, and thus violate the First Amendment "free exercise" clause.

But, in Christianity, the confessions are kept private. Stuff confessed to a priest are not thereafter openly posted on a piece of goldenrod-colored paper on the church bulletin board.

Either a confession is truly private, or it is not, and if not then it does not seem to me that an argument can validly be made that it is "privileged".

Yes, I agree. We have already seen that Scientology's version of penitent/privileged information does not hold up in court, at least not as they are currently practicing it. You can't say it's confidential information and then give hundreds of people access, write reports based off of it, etc. It makes me wonder if they are changing things on the back end so they can better argue it is privileged information, I kind of doubt it, they aren't that smart and have their hands tied by LRH.

 

[mimsey borogrove]

this is a very illuminating session in which both the defense and the prosecution lay out their operating premises, what Cohen is trying to prove and what Muller is doing about it. Really sheds light on the tactics:

​ ​ Open in app or online ARGUMENTS OVER JANE DOE 4: Danny Masterson Trial, Day 16, lunch break report TONY ORTEGA NOV 7 ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ SAVE​ ▷ LISTEN​ ​ [This report was produced live during a court hearing with a lot going on. There will be typos. Please don't email us about typos that you find.] Second morning session. Olmedo: Let's deal with Jane Doe 4. I had originally kept her testimony out for time consuming, but you could raise it if it was more relevant. So go ahead. Mueller: The defense position throughout is that JD1 was initially declined, that JD1 essentially colluded with the other victims to get the criminal case filed. And to support their civil suit for monetary damages. They use the term cross-pollination, clear what the message is, that all of these women have shared their stories to collude to have this criminal case, get beyond any statute of limitations issues. The People believes this opens the door for Jane Doe 4 to come in. She does not know JD1, she does not know JD3. She's not part of any civil lawsuit.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

​ The People believes this opens the door for Jane Doe 4 to come in. She does not know JD1, she does not know JD3. She's not part of any civil lawsuit.

If Jane Doe 4 is allowed in and walks towards the witness stand, Mueller should cue up Bruno Mars on his boombox, just to rub Cohen's face in it. . .

"Imma leave the door open. . . "

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[Lee #28]

I thought it was agreed today that Jane Doe #4 was going to testify.....

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I thought it was agreed today that Jane Doe #4 was going to testify.....

I thought it was agreed today that Jane Doe #4 was going to testify.....

You're right. I was responding to the the noon report from Tony Ortega.

But on Tony's later (2pm) report, the judge made a ruling that JD4 is allowed to testify.

Should be a bad day for the defense for yet another witness to give testimony not tied to the other 3 victims.

WIth one victim, it's not difficult to consider reasonable doubt. With 2 victims, it begins to look bleak for the rapist. When 3 victims all testify to (essentially) the same modus operandi of the rapist, the mathematical odds are becoming very remote that there is a conspiracy by three women to send an innocent man to prison. Now a 4th victim is going to nail Masterson to the cross again.

Goodbye Danny.

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[mimsey borogrove]

You're right. I was responding to the the noon report from Tony Ortega.

But on Tony's later (2pm) report, the judge made a ruling that JD4 is allowed to testify.

Should be a bad day for the defense for yet another witness to give testimony not tied to the other 3 victims.

WIth one victim, it's not difficult to consider reasonable doubt. With 2 victims, it begins to look bleak for the rapist. When 3 victims all testify to (essentially) the same modus operandi of the rapist, the mathematical odds are becoming very remote that there is a conspiracy by three women to send an innocent man to prison. Now a 4th victim is going to nail Masterson to the cross again.

Goodbye Danny.

The one who he drugged and raped that he wasn't in a relationship with, should have sunk his ship, but Cohen thinks it's a conspiracy between them to cash in on the civil suit. Can he prove it? Tony was saying when he was chatting with other reporters, some felt Cohen was doing an excellent job. Scary thought, but I know how to fix it.

Have an auditor show up in court with a meter and run them through the incident. hopefully turning on a full recall of it. We already know Danny's engramic command - you're white trash. If the auditor uses repeater technique, and says you're white trash over and over to the Jane Does - maybe it will stick Danny in the incident and turn on a dramo the jury won't soon forget.

Mimsey

 

[Enthetan]

Now a 4th victim is going to nail Masterson to the cross again.

As I've been saying, I believe Masterson has been exhibiting a long term pattern of behavior, and there are likely MANY other women who may have relevant testimony, but who just didn't want to have their lives turned upside down by coming forward and accusing him.

The one who he drugged and raped that he wasn't in a relationship with, should have sunk his ship,

I don't have the contacts to obtain date-rape drugs. Apparently Danny does, and is proficient in their use.

THAT, by itself, is an indication that some digging will turn up other women.

 

[La La Lou Lou]

As I've been saying, I believe Masterson has been exhibiting a long term pattern of behavior, and there are likely MANY other women who may have relevant testimony, but who just didn't want to have their lives turned upside down by coming forward and accusing him.



I don't have the contacts to obtain date-rape drugs. Apparently Danny does, and is proficient in their use.

THAT, by itself, is an indication that some digging will turn up other women.

There's a possibility that he felt perfectly safe raping scientologists because they couldn't go to the police whereas normal human beings could.

 

[Enthetan]

There's a possibility that he felt perfectly safe raping scientologists because they couldn't go to the police whereas normal human beings could.

Yes, that is an area which could use some digging: to what extent are whales and celebrities kept in Scientology through Ethics allowing them to abuse "common" Scientologists?

We now know about Danny. Who else has been allowed to behave badly with his victims silenced by Ethics and OSA?

 

[La La Lou Lou]

Yes, that is an area which could use some digging: to what extent are whales and celebrities kept in Scientology through Ethics allowing them to abuse "common" Scientologists?

We now know about Danny. Who else has been allowed to behave badly with his victims silenced by Ethics and OSA?

It could well be the tip of the ice burg. Wealthy scientoLogists exploiting org staff while violating employment laws could be a juicy area.

 

[Lee #28]

I had mentioned this a long time ago.... But might as well mention it again.

I had a Scientology friend named David Dees. This was in the late 1990s. He has since died... Anyway, he was a CC public.....and took some courses in that CC "special course room" ( if anyone know more about the celebrity course room at CC...please post it, I'd be interested. )

David was an airbrush artist....and was well connected with an artist representative that kept him busy with work. His artist rep was an OT8. His specialty was VHS sleeves....and the chrome look. He made very good money at that time... Around 80k a year.

He was a good ole southern boy....from Atalanta, I believe. I met Arthur Hubbard at this apt.....and for sure he knew Lisa Marie Presley too.....

He had a few Scientology girlfriends.....during the time I knew him... I don't think he was Clear.....and was not "on course" very often....
So....this type of "Scientologist" was kinda foreign to me. As I was rather gun ho... But we had dated the same girl....and that is how I met him... ( years apart....not at the same time...) This girl was the only person I had ever gotten into Scientology....at the request of her aunt....who was a Scien Celebrity also....a well known song writer.... So was still interested in her and kinda kept in touch. I have regretted getting her in since.......

Anyway....to make a long story short....

David took a vacation to the Philippines at one point. When he got back......he told me that he had hired a girl for the week....and video taped all the sex that he had with her.... Don't remember if he offered or not....but I let him know I wasn't interested in seeing the vid.

This was obviously a sex tourism vacation for him..... I think the first time he had ever been out of the Country....

I have no idea where he got the idea to do this, I didn't know about it beforehand.
As a kid of 12, I spent 2 years in Bangkok.....where many of the GIs went for Rest and Relaxation from Vietnam....so was aware some what of the abundant sex trade that was out in the open there back in the mid 1960s....in Asia.

The whole point of me posting this is the post above of Masterson and wife filming a sex movie in Slovinia.....

It would be interesting if one could find out Masterson's travels overseas.....where he went..... Lax sex laws in some countries might incite him to behave in ways.....that would have patterns..... But I guess that would be difficult to do...
I do believe that sex tourism is illegal....

Damn.....that reminds me of another sex tourism Scientologist.....

A big Miami Scientologist Celebrity......that I was friends with many years ago... ( he became a Cuban Radio Personality )

He told me one time that he use to fly to the Dominican Republic to have fun with the prostitutes there..... That they were "the most beautiful girls in the world...." Then he would go to Flag....and get all his overt audited out..... He was OT5 at the time.

 

[Enthetan]

He told me one time that he use to fly to the Dominican Republic to have fun with the prostitutes there..... That they were "the most beautiful girls in the world...." Then he would go to Flag....and get all his overt audited out..... He was OT5 at the time.

Verifying Device

Candy was 14 when she became a sex worker, servicing mostly older, male tourists.

While prostitution is legal in the Dominican Republic — it’s said to have one of the highest prostitution rates in the world, per capita of the population — sex under the age of 18 is not.

Despite this, one in four Dominican sex workers is believed to be under the legal age.

 

[Reyne Mayer]

There's a possibility that he felt perfectly safe raping scientologists because they couldn't go to the police whereas normal human beings could.

his rape of women may even have escalated over this period as he realized being an scn celeb provided that protection....

though i wonder if at some point the CoS realized they weren't 'clearing' him and were in fact enabling his misbehavior, setting up liability for themselves if nothing else (as is now finally coming home to roost).

but i find that Wikipedia says 'He started dating Bijou Phillips in 2004'.

 

[Lee #28]

his rape of women may even have escalated over this period as he realized being an scn celeb provided that protection....

though i wonder if at some point the CoS realized they weren't 'clearing' him and were in fact enabling his misbehavior, setting up liability for themselves if nothing else (as is now finally coming home to roost).

but i find that Wikipedia says 'He started dating Bijou Phillips in 2004'.

I don't really want to give examples here.....but, It is my opinion that "Scientology" is kinda in the "match making" biz to some extent.

I think there are some SO that would figure to match their public up.....for marriage.

What the extent of this is....I don't know.... But I think it exists.

Regarding Masterson.....it is entirely possible that he was "told" to get married.....to forestall any more rape type situations. In other words a "match" was suggested to him and or arraigned.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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though i wonder if at some point the CoS realized they weren't 'clearing' him and were in fact enabling his misbehavior, setting up liability for themselves if nothing else (as is now finally coming home to roost).

Yes, that would be a good description of "The Cycle of a Scientologist". And therefore the cycle of the COS itself.

L. Ron Hubbard found out about the "coming home to roost" tech the hard way.

So did Mary Sue Hubbard and countless other "elite" senior management executives.

Perhaps the best way to envision this would be to:

- - Close your eyes and get a picture of a Scientology ship​

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- - Ask yourself, who is looking at the ship?​

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-- That's right, YOU are!​

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-- Now get a picture of that ship sailing across the beautiful blue ocean!​

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-- Now get an image of the ship creating a huge wake behind it.​

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-- Ask yourself, who is looking at that wake?​

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-- That's right, YOU are! Very well done.​

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-- Now imagine for a moment that the Scientology ship is dumping radioactively toxic waste as it steams away.​

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-- Further, try to imagine that the ship's captain is a severely mentally ill and paranoid con man.​

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-- Now try to imagine that the "Captain" hears that the authorities are planning to arrest him at the next port.​

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-- Picture the Captain madly taking the helm and steering it hard to starboard to take the ship back out​

to international waters where it is safe. And once there, sailing in circles until it's once again safe.​

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-- Now, imagine in your mind that ship's circular navigation as it hits its own radioactively toxic wake, again and again.​

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-- Ask yourself, "Who is now being poisoned by their own radiation?"​

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-- That's right, the ship's captain and all of its crew and even its most celebrated celebrity guests on board!​

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[HelluvaHoax!]

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ref: For the full story TONY ORTEGA'S UNDERGROUND BUNKER SUBSTACK (available for modest subscription fee or via e-mail for free)

ref: Partial Tony Ortega reporting updates/extracts available on ESMB in various discussion threads LINKED HERE.


So! There are some major developments today in the trial:

* Lisa Marie Presley will not be called as a witness based on Prosecutions evaluation of the judge's ruling(s) on what could and could not be said. She remains, however, a potentially lethal ticking time bomb for the defendants in the civil trial.​

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* Jane Doe #4 testified. Years before the other 3 Jane Does, JD4 has an astonishingly similar nightmare of being violently brutalized and raped by Masterson while she was unconscious at his house. It is a terrifying and traumatic event in the innocent actresses life that she was powerless to resist. It's virtually a carbon copy of Masterson's rape modus operandi. ​

COMMENTS:
(Presley): I doubt the absence of Presley's testimony will have any impact on the case, simply because the prosecution has already put overwhelming amounts of incriminating and compelling evidence on the record. The trial at its core is not about the obstruction of justice, but about the reality of the rapes. And there is still the civil trial and Presley's information about the COS coverup and attempt to obstruct justice is at ground zero in that lawsuit. Even if there is a settlement, I would guess that the fact that Presley was prepared to expose the cult's treacherous behavior (in trying to prevent rape victims from going to the police) could be a factor in the number of zeroes in the settlement. check that is ultimately written.

(JD4): Her testimony was devastating to the defense. The only thing that remains uncertain is whether Masterson will be able to bond out during his appeal of the guilty verdicts that seem imminent. Yes, I know that a jury is capable of perversely ignoring the evidence to the degree of "jury nullification". However, I still hold a certain positive faith in the honor of humans and their inherent desire to do good in the world.

Frankly, I don't see an escape route for Masterson. Unless the cult and its thug operatives have figured out a way to "get to" someone on the jury.

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[Karen#1]

The cult asks Lisa Marie Presley to persuade rape victim to not report to LAPD

(obstruction of justice by criminal cult involvement)


EXCLUSIVE: Lisa Marie Presley was told by Church of Scientology to convince Danny Masterson's rape accuser NOT to report him to police and later apologized to victim for trying to silence her, prosecution claims

• Danny Masterson's rape trial heard how Lisa Marie Presley tried to persuade the actor's rape accuser not to report him to police
• Prosecutors claim Presley, a former Scientologist, was asked by The Church of Scientology to keep the accuser quiet
• Years later, Elvis Presley's daughter apologized to the alleged victim for trying to silence her, prosecutors claim
• Masterson's defense team tried to have Presley banned from taking the witness stand, calling her testimony 'irrelevant ' and 'prejudicial'
• A judge denied their plea but the prosecution has decided not to call on Presley to testify
• Masterson has pleaded not guilty to raping three women at his Hollywood Hills home between 2001 and 2003
• Scientology asked Lisa Marie Presley to silence Masterson accuser

Scientology asked Lisa Marie Presley to silence Masterson accuser

Masterson's defense team tried to have Presley banned from taking the witness stand, calling her testimony 'irrelevant ' and 'prejudicial'. A judge denied their plea.

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