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E-Meters
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How thoughtful to begin by pissing on the thread
haiqu
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Yeah, the usual suspects have crawled out of the woodwork to stomp on anyone actually getting something done. I'm a bit harder to suppress than that though.
Veda
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Yeah, the usual suspects have crawled out of the woodwork to stomp on anyone actually getting something done. I'm a bit harder to suppress than that though.
Getting anything done? You're an e-meter collector and hobbyist, which is fine, just as a lady collecting porcelain figurines is fine.
For an experienced, well adjusted, Scientologist (who knows the "Bridge" is not a bridge at all, but a hamster wheel, and is happy and contented with that), it's not about actually becoming an Operating Thetan per Hubbard's definition of Operating Thetan. That definition was prominently displayed atop the Grade Chart which appeared in every lobby of every org, and in Scientology magazines, and was promised to "raw meat" by Scientology sales people, during Scientology's period of greatest expansion.
It's the definition in the Scientology Tech Dictionary.
What a rosy cheeked "raw meat" person doesn't realize is that the veteran Scientologist, encouraging him or her to (ultimately) take up residence inside L. Ron Hubbard's head, is participating (sometimes unconsciously and automatically) in a bait and switch operation, where actually becoming an Operating Thetan (per Hubbard's definition) is gradually replaced with the contented feeling of simply BEING A SCIENTOLOGIST, being a Scientologist who thinks he is (or someday will be) an Operating Thetan, in a wishful and vague way, and that's enough to make the veteran Scientologist happy.
For a well-adjusted veteran Scientologist, simply being a Scientologist, and simply puttering about with Scientology, is enough. One knows that one is "the elite of this planet," and the significance of Scientology, like a cloud of incense, is soothing as it engulfs.
But be careful, anyone who interrupts what might be called the trance of the (OT as in Old and Tired) Scientologist may be the target of an eruption of anger, for which Scientologists are notorious.
Bill
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I have no problem with you finding and refurbishing e-meters. That's kind of cool. I have no problem with Scientology believers auditing and having all sorts of fun running their processes. No problem.Yeah, the usual suspects have crawled out of the woodwork to stomp on anyone actually getting something done. I'm a bit harder to suppress than that though.
But when claims are made about actual results from Scientology processing, I have a problem. No actual, provable, verified, specific results from Scientology have ever happened.
You said:
Never happened. Not according to Hubbard's and Scientology's definitions for "Clear" and "OT". Not ever.
I don't think you, or anyone, should make false claims about Scientology. That's fraud. That's unethical. That's not right.
If you insist on making that claim, then you are obligated to provide YOUR definition for YOUR "Clear" and "OT" because, in the real world, your claim is absolutely false.
onceuponatime
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What do you expect from Clear and OT?
Certainly you can agree that nothing close to LRH's claims of what these states are has been produced.
If Scientology could produce even 10% of what LRH claims it produces, they'd have lines around the block waiting to get in and would be well on the way to world domination.
F.Bullbait
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I recently had the same problem finding simple tinned cans. Other than soup or vegetable cans (which suck), plain steel cans have the labels painted on. I finally purchased 2 tins of long cookie sticks at the Dolllar Store. I scraped the paint off with a razor knife and finished the job with some 600 grit wet/dry paper. They look pretty good if I do say so myself.
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SuperstarNeilC
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I don't think a non-existent activity would be of much interest.
Veda
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You're coming from two very different places.
Shelton was trying to get through "Security Checks," specifically as part of leaving the Sea Org. He wanted to leave Scientology.
You, on the other hand, are an e-meter hobbyist, with an addiction to the tiny electrical current that flows from an e-meter - similar to Hubbard's e-meter-current addiction - and enjoy being inside (your comfortable at-home version of) Scientology.
Surely, as an "OT," you're "pan-determined" enough to be three feet back of Shelton's head and understand his viewpoint.
Hey - sometimes you can't take everything so seriously.
TheSneakster
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There ain't no such thing as addiction to e-meter current outside of Arnaldo Lerma's - apparently an opoid addict (oxycodone) - faux science fantasies.
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that's true, but the addiction to the e-meter is what Hubbard said the e-meter reads should mean. not the current. Why do you think this is?
onceuponatime
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I think people definitely get addicted to the meter. At least to the idea that it's working (if the meter works, then scientology works and they'll totally go clear and OT) and I'm sure they're addicted to being told your needle is floating.
TheSneakster
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Addiction is mental health condition which requires a qualified mental health professional to diagnose. The subject of addiction in general is largely the province of neuropsychology. So far as I am aware (after diligent literature search) there exist no peer-reviewed neuropsychology publications which describe any skin resistance electrodermal activity (EDA) instrument as addictive.
@Veda : So can you cite any peer-reviewed science publications that state otherwise ?
Any number of unqualified critics may hold this opinion, but that doesn't make it a true fact.
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Veda
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Hubbard received a gift of a bed and complained about the metal nails in the bed. He had some kind of allergic reaction to the metal nails, at least in his mind.
He was bothered by tiny dust particles in the air and by smells no one else could perceive.
He was bothered by what he thought was the odor of soap. He ordered his child servants to scrub his clothes, by hand, in a bucket, and rinse his clothes, in 13 separate buckets.
But, somehow, he couldn't have a super sensitivity to the current of an e-meter?
There are people who used an e-meter - interacting with its electrical current - for decades. It can become a habit. Extreme sensitivities can occur.
Towards the end of his life, Hubbard demanded that an e-meter, with increased current, be made, especially for him. It was interpreted as a death wish, but was it? Hubbard expressed a need for more electrical current.
Edit: Link added.
Link to "Basically run a weak current through two moist electrodes" thread.
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Veda
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The "qualifiied mental health professionals" think Hubbard was a mentally ill con man, and that "Scientology tech" is snake oil nonsense.
Sounds like he was playing out, The Electricians
Not everything in scn came from Hubbard. He plagiarized from valid sources and many other people worked on what they thought were valid ways toward self improvement or self awareness.
Hubbard signed his own name to the bottom of everything for copyright protection. In his time merely threatening to sue squirrel groups for copyright infringement put them out of business when facing large legal defense costs.
P.S. Someone once noted that in the Occult various fragrances are used to attract entities. Mr. Hubbard obviously did not want to attract additional entities.
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onceuponatime
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Sure, maybe it doesn't meet the standard required for a diagnosis of addiction from a medical professional. But I never made the claim that it would. I also didn't say anything about the electrical current. I think auditing is addictive and the meter plays a part in that. The meter helps convince them that auditing works.
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