The PTS Type Three Org

Cat's Squirrel

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It's a good idea on the face of it Veda, but who gets to decide who's mentally ill and who isn't? How would it work in practice - would we have a psychiatrist assess our fitness to post on here, just like in the US psychiatrists apparently used to assess draftees' fitness (or otherwise) to go to Vietnam?

Also, how about people who are depressed or anxious (which would cover quite a lot of people in the UK at the moment if my social media feed is any guide) - would they be excluded as mentally ill too?

In the whole history of Internet foruming and blogging, I doubt there has ever been a poster who was described as "mentally ill" by someone who agreed with them or liked what they had to say.

However, some people genuinely are mentally ill and aren't doing themselves or the rest of the forum's participants any good by posting here, so I think some kind of solution probably needs to be found. By all means limit participation on this site by such individuals, but I think it's better to find another way of doing it - maybe by using the report button instead.
 

Veda

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I was informed by a fellow ESMBr who researched the latest banned TROLL and found some of her postings on the Internet. She had gone into a very dark place.

For Example :

She said she would be JOYFUL when Paulette Cooper died and would URINATE on her grave.
I do not have the link but I 100% believe in the credibility of this poster in our group who info'd me on this.
I've no doubt that it's true, or something equivalent.

Anyone, now out of Scientology, can ask himself or herself, "What were my feeling towards Paulette Cooper when IN?"

Hubbard's instructions on how a Suppressive Person should be regarded and treated provide the answer, for Scientologists.

This person, who is an "illegal pc," and a "psych case," etc., and on psychoactive medications, and possibly testosterone - and one can do a search on "Sir Conrad of Jersey, Kiwi Farms," and read the posts from two months ago, if one wants to know more.

That said, I'm not really disagreeing, but it's a matter of degrees, and also timing.

Obviously the person, short of some near-miraculous transformation, couldn't continue on the MB.

Deleting offensive posts, under normal circumstance, would have been done immediately. and the person warned.

That is the ILK and type of person we had junking up the board and making it toxic.
Hurray for Emma who worked fast and did everything right.
I would agree, Hurray for Emma, and a speedy recovery to P&B, but it would have been nice to have had a little more time, to see what could be done.

Specifically, to have had a response to this post:

From another thread:



How are you atoning ? Are you on a formal program? Do you have an "Ethics" condition?

Do you have an "Ethics" Officer?

Or "Case Officer" who oversees operatives?

A response would help clarify matters.

It's a good idea on the face of it Veda, but who gets to decide who's mentally ill and who isn't?
Forgive me, if I didn't express myself clearly. Scientology Inc. decides who is mentally ill, or a psych case, or psycho, or PTS type 3, an illegal pc, and on and on with near endless Scientology lingo.

This produces a category of people who want to be IN Scientology, but are excluded.

They experience Scientology on the periphery, and can't believe that the pot of gold at the end of the Scientological rainbow is really a pot of old rusty e-meter cans.

Such people can, sometimes, be useful to Scientology, and are used by them - exploited and abused by them.

Amongst other things, such people make perfect patsies, and can be quickly disowned by Scientology which also, when it's expedient, uses them.

It's a sad and sordid situation.

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However, some people genuinely are mentally ill and aren't doing themselves or the rest of the forum's participants any good by posting here, so I think some kind of solution probably needs to be found. By all means limit participation on this site by such individuals

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Again, I agree.
 

Type4_PTS

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An informal name for those mentally ill people being used by Scientology.

Should such people be quickly banished from ESMBR??

They are casualties of Scientology too.
Under normal circumstances, I would expect that this last woman would have only been banned after being given a warning and proceeding to ignore it. My guess is that she would have ignored the warning. It would have been nice though to have had an opportunity to help break the spell she was under.
 

HelluvaHoax!

Well-known member
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Under normal circumstances, I would expect that this last woman would have only been banned after being given a warning and proceeding to ignore it. My guess is that she would have ignored the warning. It would have been nice though to have had an opportunity to help break the spell she was under.
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She always wished to be in the Sea Org. So, in that sense i think we helped her immeasurably to realize her dream by sending her to the RPF.

When she is rehabilitated she can always return. Her beloved hero, Minister Miscavige, can help her get thru the RPF with his kindness and tech.

SUMMARY: Kamikaze pilots are not trying to survive. They have a different goal.



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mimsey borogrove

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......She always wished of being in the Sea Org. So, in that sense i think we helped her immeasurably to experience her dream by sending her to the RPF.
When she is rehabilitated she can always return. Her beloved hero, Minister Miscavige, can help her get thru the RFP with his kindness and tech.
SUMMARY: Kamikaze pilots are not trying to survive. They have a different goal.



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Is it their goal or another's?

Mimsey
 

guanoloco

As-Wased
Under normal circumstances, I would expect that this last woman would have only been banned after being given a warning and proceeding to ignore it. My guess is that she would have ignored the warning. It would have been nice though to have had an opportunity to help break the spell she was under.

She was here to fight and stir up shit. The loon part may've been real or fake but either way the goal was to be contentious.

I go back and forth from hilarity to pity if the mental state was real.
 

TheSneakster

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An informal name for those mentally ill people being used by Scientology.

Should such people be quickly banished from ESMBR??

They are casualties of Scientology too.
The Second Prophet wasn't booted for being mentally ill. The account was banned for extreme and egregious violations of the posted rules of these forums. Please take it up with @PirateAndBum , if you object. If you want the rules changed, please take it up with @PirateAndBum .


There is nowhere in What this board is and is not where it says ESMBR is community mental health clinic.
 
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Cat's Squirrel

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The Second Prophet wasn't booted for being mentally ill. The account was banned for extreme and egregious violations of the posted rules of these forums. Please take it up with @PirateAndBum , if you object. If you want the rules changed, please take it up with @PirateAndBum .


There is nowhere in What this board is and is not where it says ESMBR is community mental health clinic.
Hi Sneaks,

I think we're all agreed on that, the question is more about what we do when someone joins our board who is clearly disturbed and causes a lot of problems for us on that account.

I used to post on a board which, unfortunately, was targeted by someone who had a grudge about certain members of the board because of some perceived slight some years before, became obsessive about it and created havoc including getting hold of people's private details and broadcasting them. Several of us believed he was a paranoid schizophrenic (or at least borderline).
 

TheSneakster

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I think we're all agreed on that, the question is more about what we do when someone joins our board who is clearly disturbed and causes a lot of problems for us on that account.
That's easy. Ignore their real or feigned mental health state and just flag ToS violations to the owner/operator (use the Report button). Warnings that this is being done might be good, of course.

If they can't get their destructive behavior under control, well bye-bye and no loss.

The Second Prophet would have been warned by @PirateAndBum the very same day they started in, had he not been offline battling Covid-19 (which we could not possibly know).
 
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guanoloco

As-Wased
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She always wished of being in the Sea Org. So, in that sense i think we helped her immeasurably to experience her dream by sending her to the RPF.

When she is rehabilitated she can always return. Her beloved hero, Minister Miscavige, can help her get thru the RFP with his kindness and tech.

SUMMARY: Kamikaze pilots are not trying to survive. They have a different goal.



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Technically a PTS Type III Org would be any Advanced Org (AO) where OT levels are delivered.

Why?

Because of this:

PTS TYPE THREE, the type three PTS is mostly in institutions or would be. On this case the type two’s apparent SP is spread all over the world and is often more than all the people there are—for the person sometimes has ghosts about him or demons and they are just more apparent SPs but imaginary as beings as well. (HCOB 24 Nov 65)​


You see...anywhere else that one winds up talking to thetans that aren't visible one is insane...except on the OT levels. There one is the epitome of sanity.
 

Karen#1

Well-known member
That's easy. Ignore their real or feigned mental health state and just flag ToS violations to the owner/operator (use the Report button). Warnings that this is being done might be good, of course.

If they can't get destructive behavior under control, well bye-bye and no loss.

The Second Prophet would have been warned by @PirateAndBum the very same day they started in, had he not been offline battling Covid-19 (which we could not possibly know).
No moderation is not P & B's fault, who can predict COVID ?
P and B valiantly battled it.
The actual problem is no deputy or emergency MOD so that if P & B is not available, we
get a lunatic creating chaos day after day after day with no end in sight.

I got in touch with Emma, not realizing she still had the tools to take immediate action....
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Is it their goal or another's?

Good question.

For the answer, just ask any ideal Scientologist this question:

"AS A SCIENTOLOGIST WHAT IS YOUR GOAL?"

The answer will be: "To Clear The Planet" or some closely related variant (e.g. "to salvage this sector", "to help all mankind attain total freedom", et al)

Now comes your question. Is it their goal? Or, is it another's (Ron's) goal?

One could argue that their humanitarian goal was unwittingly implanted in them by Ron.

However, it could just as easily be argued that the goal was appropriated (stolen) from Ron.

It's not really much different than someone who hires a cheap unlicensed plastic surgeon and ends up with a botched face from hell. Is it the surgeon's fault? Sure. Is it the patient's fault? Yes. Well, didn't they seek surgery and hire that charlatan and sign the contracts and pay the imposter who butchered their face?

SUMMARY: These are the kinds of bizarre things that happen to Scientologists when they hire a quack to do surgery on their minds.

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mimsey borogrove

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Good question.

For the answer, just ask any ideal Scientologist this question:

"AS A SCIENTOLOGIST WHAT IS YOUR GOAL?"

The answer will be: "To Clear The Planet" or some closely related variant (e.g. "to salvage this sector", "to help all mankind attain total freedom", et al)

Now comes your question. Is it their goal? Or, is it another's (Ron's) goal?

One could argue that their humanitarian goal was unwittingly implanted in them by Ron.

However, it could just as easily be argued that the goal was appropriated (stolen) from Ron.

It's not really much different than someone who hires a cheap unlicensed plastic surgeon and ends up with a botched face from hell. Is it the surgeon's fault? Sure. Is it the patient's fault? Yes. Well, didn't they seek surgery and hire that charlatan and sign the contracts and pay the imposter who butchered their face?

SUMMARY: These are the kinds of bizarre things that happen to Scientologists when they hire a quack to do surgery on their minds.

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Yea maybe - in the case of the pilot, did he join up to kill himself? Or take a bullet to save Japan? Or did he report to the pilot briefing, dreaming of becoming a pilot for JAL, and joining the mile high club with a hot stewardess and was told the emperor would really appreciate him attempting a crash landing on that battle ship, just over the horizon, oh and FYI, there's only enough gas in the plane to get him there, not back. Have a nice day. :hattip:

Mimsy-san
 
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Zertel

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Veda

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I sure wasn't blaming P&B. But yeah, a trusted deputy might be helpful.
You once had the aspiration of reducing restimulation on this MB. It might be the perfect job for you.

"It's 1976, I live in the Soviet Union, and these metallic ornaments are very nice!"






"My service record stated, 'This officer has no neurotic
or psychotic tendencies of any kind whatsoever'..."

From My Philosophy by L. Ron Hubbard

 

TheSneakster

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You once had the aspiration of reducing restimulation on this MB. It might be the perfect job for you.
I'm not interested in the position. I already get more than my fair share of shit like this from yourself and Hoaxer.

But why don't you explain to the group why we should turn this venue into the corner mental health clinic, as you seem to wish ?

So far as I know, we don't have even one qualified mental health professional present to deal with such cases as The Second Prophet; and, no professional would be doing that online, in any case.
 
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