What To Show Someone That Is Thinking About Doing Services

Karen#1 said:
A Man believes what he WANTS to believe and disregards the rest...
(Simon and Garfunkle)

Dotey ~~ its not a one reason WHY.
It is a COMBO (combination) of reasons

All one's friends all one's connections are in. Scn'ists cluster with other Scn'ists and sort of move away from the outside world... Ending it is losing all one's friends and family and DISCONNECTION is fast and furious.
One has stuck beliefs that things will get better, things will improve
One has the brainwashed belief that it is the ONLY way to gain your ETERNITY and IMMORTALITY.
One has a WANTS HANDLED in auditing that has not as yet been handled but a fixed idea "Scn will handle that...eventually"
One feels that all the bad one suffers is from own CRIMES and misdeeds and one should continuously look for the evil within.

etc...can you think of more ?
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Mind control tricks and hypnosis?
 
I actually forget sometimes that I can think pretty well on my feet. But I am glad that I've thought ahead and gathered all this info for this. I am going to take this as it goes, and look for opportunities and take them. Then if i'm not totally sure that it's a done, get a time and place for round two.

I think it's the Truthful Dissem Drill - Contact, handle, save from scamatology and bring to understanding!
 
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Dotey OT said:
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I think it's the Truthful Dissem Drill . . .

Contact, Handle, Save from scamatology and Bring to understanding!
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Nice!

Or you could even run them on the Expanded Truthful Dissem Drill. . .

Contact, Handle, Save from scamentology and Bring to ESMB!

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Maybe you should have them read History of Man and then show the Bridge to Total Freedom with all the confidential OT levels and then watch the South Park episode with Xenu.

Lololololol

Then have them post questions here under your nic.

If that's not "out gradiebr" enough....lololol
 
Alright, here's what happened. The meeting went on concerning the business topic for almost two hours, when he said something that allowed me to answer about scamatology, this being the first thing that I said about it "It's maybe one of the largest scams that is currently active that you know of." And it went on from there. It turns out that he was impressed with the people that he had met that were involved in the cult, which is myself and another business associate of mine, and someone that he knows that is a local fellow that's on OT7. He had actually watched "Going Clear" sometime ago, but he had a hard time reconciling that in the face of the people that he knew that were involved. He has also seen data on the internet, damning things he said, but that hadn't apparently stopped him from taking a course. I had to give him a cliff notes version of what the bubble is like from the inside. He let me know that he was never a fan of religion of any sort, and was a bit turned off by any of it. He did admit to having an interest of what was in it that was seemingly making people successful. We covered him as an example, because he could be considered quite a success, and where did he get that from? This is a short version of another hour or so that we spent talking about my experience, and how the choich operates. I have scheduled another visit with him for business this next week, but he knows that I want to discuss this more.

At any rate, he would like to see data that could help him with his business, and he believes there may be things that he could learn. He is not interested in anything else, is what he tells me. I actually believe him, but will not leave this to chance.

I think the one thing that this shows is even with the internet data available, if there are people appearing like the are receiving a benefit from it, it could still suck people in.

I guess I did ok, but I again could use help on that next meeting.
 
It might be enough to show off one's psychological scars from having tightroped across that bridge, if only to counterbalance against the daffy babbling we all did at one time or another at the examiner which the Scilons now play to lure others out onto the bridge to a lost sense of self. Say, "Oh yeah The Clearing Course! When I did that I felt on top of the world for a day or two, then everything caved in on me and they told me that this indicated my high level of awareness in that I was already feeling the Wall of Fire awaiting me. Oh yes, when I did that and nothing got handled I was told that it all gets handled on the next level. Well by OT8 I was less of a thetan than when I walked into that morgue..." Yeah, just a strong dose of the truth with a whole lot of personal sharing thrown in. If you can get them to sit through it maybe they'll never wander foolishly into another morgue.
 
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At any rate, he would like to see data that could help him with his business, and he believes there may be things that he could learn. He is not interested in anything else, is what he tells me. I actually believe him, but will not leave this to chance.
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He might eventually be taught how to do hard-sell,scare tactics.
What is the general nature (products/services) of his business?
 
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I suggest to print Lisa MacPherson story with pictures. Put it in an enveloppe and let it somewhere he can see and open it. It usually creates a shock...
Well truth is truth.. It doesn't need to be wrapped with lies cozy lies.
 
I'm sorry, I don't know the person you are going to meet. I can only say what "stood out" for me. It may or night not have an impact on him.

Have you seen the TV commercials for Ford trucks, with the actor Denis Leary ("Operation Dumbo Drop") talking about the trucks in a very "in your face" tone of voice? Apparently they have been off the air for several years now, but I remember them.

Show your friend "The Clearing Course". It is pretty much the opposite of those Ford truck commercials. This course contains the only (six) FILMED lectures ever done of LRH (and it is only about $20 on eBay). Your friend can see his mannerisms as he spends ~60 minutes per lecture saying pretty much nothing. His words might have captivated 1950s audiences as somehow "profound", but to me (born 1966, my experience is from the 70s, 80s and 90s) his words are as boring as watching paint dry. He never really "GETS TO THE POINT". Life (or religious instruction) does not have to be "in your face" like the Ford truck commercials, but it would really help if LRH summed things up at some point during the lectures.

I am not inside your friend's head and cannot say for sure what will influence him. Only you know what might keep him out of the cult's grip. Speaking for myself, with the VISUAL aspect of today's mass-media culture, the Clearing Course would have made an impact for me, if I had been in danger of joining (my upbringing protected me from cults).
 
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You might also show your friend today's Underground Bunker (January 3). Sunny Pereira tells the tale of "In the Sea Org, it's difficult to see Scientology's incompetence -- until you escape". A man went to Scientology's buildings in LA in the summer, and had to ESCAPE Clearwater as winter was approaching so he could winterize his house in Nantucket, Maryland. (Frozen pipes burst, then water continues to run, and damages the foundation of the house. This can be very expensive.) Scientology demanded every minute of his time for MONTHS AT A TIME. He could not even leave town for a FEW HOURS. With security cameras and minders to MAKE SURE he did NOT LEAVE. Tell your friend to think about that. (And then when he returned, his mission to save his house meant he had to pay thousands of dollars to Scientology.)

Whether your friend wants to be a "public" Scientologist or join WISE, Scientology will end up demanding all of his money and his time. And when he no longer has time to practice accounting, his income will dry up. Scientology will take ALL of his time AND his money. Every last bit of it.
 
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Get him to read Cults in Our Midst by Dr. Margaret Singer and Janja Lalich. He might think any anti-Scientology texts are bias. This way you can arm him for any tactics coming his way and he can recognize the danger signs.
 
I have worked in public accounting. I worked 40 hours per week at Jackson-Hewitt in 2004, and as many as 72 hours in one week when I was working "the other side of the fence" (the IRS, spring 1998 and spring 1999).

Ask your friend how he plans to ESCAPE when he needs to work for his clients during tax season, because Scientology IS NOT GOING TO LET HIM LEAVE.

Back in 2004, the first Monday after April 15 (tax day in US), I went into the operating room so the doctors could diagnose Hodgkins' Lymphoma. If I were in Scientology, they would have found "counter-intention" and said I had "other fish to fry" (even if they let me work during January - April 15 tax season -- hint: they would not have). They would have charged me for at least one intensive to learn why I did what I did. And then they would NEVER have let me do the chemotherapy and the bone marrow transplant that saved my life.

Also ask your friend how he would feel about WISE demanding 10% of his GROSS INCOME, before taxes. Remind him that WISE will turn his business into a Scientology business instead of an accounting practice. They will define success in terms of how they spread Scientology (preferably before Thursday at 2 PM) instead of how he serves more clients.

(Sorry I can't upload my "bald picture", I just don't have time to shrink the file size small enough that this forum software will accept it. Anyway, on Feb. 1, 2020, I will celebrate my 15th cancer-versary -- you might call that my own version of "going clear".)
 
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As a follow up to the start of this thread, the guy that I was trying to "enlighten" (Kind of brings a new meaning to that old turd of a word) about what scamatology really is, will never be a scamatologist! He has seen the drama, in spite of the contrarily beautiful facade. That is a win!!

However, I just started a cycle that will help four people that are in get out, or it will fully open me to being found out and losing UTR status, GULP!!! This is worth it guys. Wish me luck!! I think, ugh...

Oh, I think I can safely say it's a couple with two kids that have S.O. firmly tattooed on their foreheads.

It's worth it, right? Ugh.

Edit: I had to edit the first paragraph. That guy has seen the light, and the original paragraph did not spell it out clearly.
 
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Dotey OT said:
Oh, I think I can safely say it's a couple with two kids that have S.O. firmly tattooed on their foreheads.
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Are the kids under 18?

Scientology will want them to quit school at 16, and work on staff. They will feed them big dreams about becoming a respected auditor. The reality will be that, once they drop out of school, they will be increasingly trapped into Scientology, as non-Scn companies prefer not to hire people without degrees.
 
Enthetan said:
Are the kids under 18?

Scientology will want them to quit school at 16, and work on staff. They will feed them big dreams about becoming a respected auditor. The reality will be that, once they drop out of school, they will be increasingly trapped into Scientology, as non-Scn companies prefer not to hire people without degrees.
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Both kids are under 15.
 
It really didn't go bad, but it didn't go good either. I don't think I will do this quite this way again. It's not over, but it's not even in the arena where he is looking at it. Not that I know of.
 
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