What To Show Someone That Is Thinking About Doing Services

Dotey OT

Dotey OT

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HELP!!!

I am meeting with a professional that I have worked with for a few years on Monday. He is in an industry that has active disseminators of scamatology all over the place, and he has been approached about it many times. He also just did a DIV 6ish course, and is planning on doing another. This may have a potential to become a larger working relationship for me, HOWEVER, I have had enough of working around people that are still attached. He's a bright guy but likes what he has seen so far with people in scamatology. He knows I am/was, at least I seem to recall once telling him that my better half and I were "taking a break" from it.

I want something for him to look at that makes it clear what he is about to embark upon, without looking "tin foil hatty", if you know what I mean.

@Karen#1 @PirateAndBum This would be a huge save if I can steer this guy clear. He's got money.
 
Maybe he could just freely Google (a lot!) the subject. That way he's not being presented with a single cherry-picked item from an obviously-biased associate. If he's still Div6 publlc he shouldn't have onboarded the internet-forbidden mindset yet.
 
Paul Adams said:
Maybe he could just freely Google (a lot!) the subject. That way he's not being presented with a single cherry-picked item from an obviously-biased associate. If he's still Div6 publlc he shouldn't have onboarded the internet-forbidden mindset yet.
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Yes, just tell him to google Scientology. He'll find a lot.

Also, point him to this series of articles

www.tampabay.com

Part 1 — Scientology: The Truth Rundown

High-ranking defectors provide an unprecedented inside look at Scientology, its leader and the Lisa McPherson case.
www.tampabay.com www.tampabay.com
 
I had success with someone under similar circumstance. It was a bit risky but he was a sharp guy with no apparent scab of a ruin they picked open and bled to get him yearning for some of that there "HELP" Scientology peddles.

Here is what I told him

I asked him to give me 1 hour with him where he will simply listen to what I have to say and to do the investigation thoroughly before signing up for any courses or auditing. I suggest he google the subject and read EVERYTHING he can find.

I told him there is a course they will have you take if you tell them you talked to me. It is part of the indoctrination to get you to use thought stopping and not look. It is also part of the tattle tale technology where you squeal on people criticizing the church so they can get the boot / disconnected from their friends and family.
It is called the PTS/ SP course. It costs about $3,000 and will take you many weeks to finish.
In that course, ( I showed him the book) they will tell you ANYONE being Critical of Scientology or L Ron Hubbard is hiding big sordid crimes.
They don't want you to get better. They are a Suppressive Person - an evil Hitler type etc....I showed him information regarding Paulette Cooper and Arnie Lerma.

I told him they may show you transgressions from my confidential folders to get you to not listen to me and that I was kicked out of the church. I told him I was UTR and did not want the Church of Scientology to know I am talking to you because they practice fair game and do harm to those that speak out. He needed to do his own research.

He was disgusted by the fact a church would do this.
I told him to watch A&E show / Leah's show about Scientology and then I showed him on the internet the HATE sites put out by the Church of Scientology.

I also told him I did Scientology for many years and spent 6 figures going up the Bridge to Total Spiritual Freedom. I showed him my tax returns to prove I spent that much money. I told him - I never met one Clear (including me) or Operating Thetan (OT) that displayed anything but arrogance. No super powers. It is a scam.

I told him I did meet many Scientologists who filed bankruptcy, got divorced several times (showed then court records of people in the Org he knew) and did not achieve their goals but got roped into joining staff or the Sea Org.
They want your money on account first and then you will sign legal contracts forbidding you to ever get your money back. I told him to research Luis Garcia's lawsuit with the Church of Scientology.

I told him to talk to the Scientologists that have filed bankruptcy and shattered their families (don't tell them you know) and ask them what they think of Scientology? See if they are honest. Ask them what they spent and how long it took for them to get up the Bridge? What happened to their financial picture - increase or decrease?

Then I asked them if it is okay to be critical of L Ron Hubbard or Scientology and what does that mean if someone is critical?

Ask the ED, EO, DSA or Treasurer of your Org to show you financial statements of where the money goes? Tell them you want to see Tax Returns?

Ask them how many new members have they obtained and retained in the past 10 years?

This was extremely productive and it worked. He did not do Scientology and in fact, quit working for the Scientologist who tried to get him into it. I remained under the radar.
 
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Oat Tea Ate said:
I had success with someone under similar circumstance. It was a bit risky but he was a sharp guy with no apparent scab of a ruin they picked open and bled to get him yearning for some of that there "HELP" Scientology peddles.

Here is what I told him

I asked him to give me 1 hour with him where he will simply listen to what I have to say and to do the investigation thoroughly before signing up for any courses or auditing. I suggest he google the subject and read EVERYTHING he can find.

I told him there is a course they will have you take if you tell them you talked to me. It is part of the indoctrination to get you to use thought stopping and not look. It is also part of the tattle tale technology where you squeal on people criticizing the church so they can get the boot / disconnected from their friends and family.
It is called the PTS/ SP course. It costs about $3,000 and will take you many weeks to finish.
In that course, ( I showed him the book) they will tell you ANYONE being Critical of Scientology or L Ron Hubbard is hiding big sordid crimes.
They don't want you to get better. They are a Suppressive Person - an evil Hitler type etc....I showed him information regarding Paulette Cooper and Arnie Lerma.

I told him they may show you transgressions from my confidential folders to get you to not listen to me and that I was kicked out of the church. I told him I was UTR and did not want the Church of Scientology to know I am talking to you because they practice fair game and do harm to those that speak out. He needed to do his own research.

He was disgusted by the fact a church would do this.
I told him to watch A&E show / Leah's show about Scientology and then I showed him on the internet the HATE sites put out by the Church of Scientology.

I also told him I did Scientology for many years and spent 6 figures going up the Bridge to Total Spiritual Freedom. I showed him my tax returns to prove I spent that much money. I told him - I never met one Clear (including me) or Operating Thetan (OT) that displayed anything but arrogance. No super powers. It is a scam.

I told him I did meet many Scientologists who filed bankruptcy, got divorced several times (showed then court records of people in the Org he knew) and did not achieve their goals but got roped into joining staff or the Sea Org.
They want your money on account first and then you will sign legal contracts forbidding you to ever get your money back. I told him to research Luis Garcia's lawsuit with the Church of Scientology.

I told him to talk to the Scientologists that have filed bankruptcy and shattered their families (don't tell them you know) and ask them what they think of Scientology? See if they are honest. Ask them what they spent and how long it took for them to get up the Bridge? What happened to their financial picture - increase or decrease?

Then I asked them if it is okay to be critical of L Ron Hubbard or Scientology and what does that mean if someone is critical?

Ask the ED, EO, DSA or Treasurer of your Org to show you financial statements of where the money goes? Tell them you want to see Tax Returns?

Ask them how many new members have they obtained and retained in the past 10 years?

This was extremely productive and it worked. He did not do Scientology and in fact, quit working for the Scientologist who tried to get him into it. I remained under the radar.
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This will work every time. If this doesn't work then nothing will work.

You've got to pick your battles.
 
Ok guys, lots of good ideas here, glad I asked. I meet with him at lunch on Monday, so have until then to decide.

We hit it off, simpatico, when we first met in regards to a business deal about five years ago, so I do have that going for me. I was a little uneasy with letting him go do his own research WITHOUT me handling those things that we know he will run into. Scamatology has a lot of hate sites, false bullshit stuff on the net.
 
Dotey OT said:
Ok guys, lots of good ideas here, glad I asked. I meet with him at lunch on Monday, so have until then to decide.

We hit it off, simpatico, when we first met in regards to a business deal about five years ago, so I do have that going for me. I was a little uneasy with letting him go do his own research WITHOUT me handling those things that we know he will run into. Scamatology has a lot of hate sites, false bullshit stuff on the net.
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Good point. I would look him in the eyes and tell him the truth about Scientology. Bring your Ipad / laptop and tell him how Scientology attacks critics and then show him. Ask him "Would you want to belong to a church who attacks you if you speak out about abuses within the organizaton?"
 
I just realized what I will do to start, and that is to give him a thumbnail story of my experience. How I was enamored with the people that I saw that were in it and succeeding, joining in and doing services, my divorce, staff experience, poverty, abuse, regging, abusive sec checking, ultimate departure and bankruptcy. Then we will swing into the really bad stuff.
 
Dotey OT said:
I just realized what I will do to start, and that is to give him a thumbnail story of my experience. How I was enamored with the people that I saw that were in it and succeeding, joining in and doing services, my divorce, staff experience, poverty, abuse, regging, abusive sec checking, ultimate departure and bankruptcy. Then we will swing into the really bad stuff.
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Awesome plan - I can't wait to hear how it goes. It is exciting and nerve racking at the same time. This is risky if you are UTR but the fact that the guy is NOT in it yet, he has had no programming to thought stop and then squeal on you.
 
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Dotey OT said:
HELP!!!

I am meeting with a professional that I have worked with for a few years on Monday. He is in an industry that has active disseminators of scamatology all over the place, and he has been approached about it many times. He also just did a DIV 6ish course, and is planning on doing another. This may have a potential to become a larger working relationship for me, HOWEVER, I have had enough of working around people that are still attached. He's a bright guy but likes what he has seen so far with people in scamatology. He knows I am/was, at least I seem to recall once telling him that my better half and I were "taking a break" from it.

I want something for him to look at that makes it clear what he is about to embark upon, without looking "tin foil hatty", if you know what I mean.

@Karen#1 @PirateAndBum This would be a huge save if I can steer this guy clear. He's got money.
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Dotey OT, Thank you. This is worthy of some efforts.
Find out and persuade him to look at both sides.
There is the Scientology that you SEE and then the Scientology you do not see....

But for a wake up call and a jolt...nothing is better than viewing Anderson Cooper's CNN presentation of
Scientology, A history of Violence.


You can Email me as well.: [email protected]
 
Not sure if anyone posted the link for "GOING CLEAR", the entire two-hour documentary which is free online from HBO.

They require that you give them an e-mail address to access it, but there is not even a followup "confirmation" email that you have to respond to.

Pretty devastating stuff packed into a couple hours of due dilgence, a modest price to pay for gambling ones entire life, family, friends, finance, career, reputation and sanity on---by allowing a fraudulent "science of mental health" to re-program your mind.

Anyone stepping too far into the cult should first understand that Scientology very purposefully tries to prop new Scientologists up with many new business contacts, new income sources, new friends and new restrictions on what you can say, read or even think. Then, later, if you ever dare to disagree with Scientology's leaders, they can destroy your life in 5 minutes simply by ORDERING all the people and business clients/associates you depend on to disconnect from you. This collapses the entire house-of-Scientology-cards you relied upon---and there is NOTHING you can do about it.

Anyone venturing too far into that quicksand cult has to ask themselves this question before it's too late: WHY DO APPROXIMATELY 98% OF THE PEOPLE WHO SPEND MONEY AND TIME IN SCIENTOLOGY LATER LEAVE AND SAY THAT IT'S A SCAM, A FRAUD AND A CRUEL HOAX? Whomever dares to ignore the screams and howls of the cult of Scientology's victims cannot later claim they weren't warned by the 98% who are all over the internet in every country in the world where Scientology has been sold.

www.hbo.com

Going Clear

Learn more about the HBO documentary Going Clear.
www.hbo.com


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Oat Tea Ate said:
I told him there is a course they will have you take if you tell them you talked to me. It is part of the indoctrination to get you to use thought stopping and not look. It is also part of the tattle tale technology where you squeal on people criticizing the church so they can get the boot / disconnected from their friends and family.
It is called the PTS/ SP course. It costs about $3,000 and will take you many weeks to finish.
In that course, ( I showed him the book) they will tell you ANYONE being Critical of Scientology or L Ron Hubbard is hiding big sordid crimes.
They don't want you to get better. They are a Suppressive Person - an evil Hitler type etc....I showed him information regarding Paulette Cooper and Arnie Lerma.

I told him they may show you transgressions from my confidential folders to get you to not listen to me
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That is probably the most important thing you can say to someone about cults like Scientology.

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Karen#1 said:
Dotey OT, Thank you. This is worthy of some efforts.
Find out and persuade him to look at both sides.
There is the Scientology that you SEE and then the Scientology you do not see....

But for a wake up call and a jolt...nothing is better than viewing Anderson Cooper's CNN presentation of
Scientology, A history of Violence.


You can Email me as well.: [email protected]
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Hey Karen, you nailed the one thing that I needed to clarify, and that is it. If it is so bad, why did I do it to the degree that I did it for thirty years?
 
Dotey OT said:
Hey Karen, you nailed the one thing that I needed to clarify, and that is it. If it is so bad, why did I do it to the degree that I did it for thirty years?
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This is a great thread Dotey. I love the challenge - to come up with simple plan to know with total conceptual understanding
what Scientology IS so people do not go into Scientology.

This is fun! Let's continue to brainstorm together so we can come up with a Hat Pack that is simple and effective
to stop people from going into Scientology. Maybe OSA and lurkers will have a win or two as well.

1. Scientology is a cult. ALL Cults use love bombing, deception, manipulation, propaganda and other clever mind control tricks and hypnosis to trap and enslave their members.

I was in for a long time because the mind control WORKS. That is why Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Kirstie Alley, Greta Van Susteran, Elizabeth Moss, Danny Masterson and Laura Prepon have been in so long.

Leah Remini was in for 30 years. She left because she saw some abuse at the top and when she tried to do something about it, she was severely punished.

Scientology is a rigged TRAP designed to drain members financially and enslave them to free labor for the cult. Scientology carefully masks this intention in the beginning. Love Bombing tactic will be applied until you are invested with lots of money on account and family in and wrapped around the cult.

Find out how Cults trap their members at ICSA - these are the real EXPERTS regarding cults and mind controlling groups.

Founded in 1979, the International Cultic Studies Association (ICSA) is a global network of people concerned about psychological manipulation and abuse in cultic and other high-control environments.

www.icsahome.com
 
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Dotey OT said:
Hey Karen, you nailed the one thing that I needed to clarify, and that is it. If it is so bad, why did I do it to the degree that I did it for thirty years?
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A Man believes what he WANTS to believe and disregards the rest...
(Simon and Garfunkle)

Dotey ~~ its not a one reason WHY.
It is a COMBO (combination) of reasons

All one's friends all one's connections are in. Scn'ists cluster with other Scn'ists and sort of move away from the outside world... Ending it is losing all one's friends and family and DISCONNECTION is fast and furious.
One has stuck beliefs that things will get better, things will improve
One has the brainwashed belief that it is the ONLY way to gain your ETERNITY and IMMORTALITY.
One has a WANTS HANDLED in auditing that has not as yet been handled but a fixed idea "Scn will handle that...eventually"
One feels that all the bad one suffers is from own CRIMES and misdeeds and one should continuously look for the evil within.

etc...can you think of more ?
 
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