What is the post of Diana Hubbard in the Sea Org?

JustSheila said:
That's silly. COS doesn't need any of the Hubbard children. DM has ensured all the assets were signed over to COS when Hubbard died and he runs things now.
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I think DM may be working an angle trying to minimize LRH and his continuing importance in Scn. It wouldn't surprise me if they sometime find a young psychopath sometime who is close to the COB that is declared the reincarnated Hubbard. Not any farther fetched that some of the things they have already done. The only thing keeping them from doing it is DM himself because he won't give up any power.

Somethings which are source just do not work today and the tech is in serious need of an update. The problem is that the word of Hubbard must be followed. Solution bring source back to life. All some body has to do is walk in and pass a meter check to do it.
 
O Tease said:
Thank you. I think LRH had his plans to avoid as much taxation as possible set in place for decades and that aspect wouldn't have been changed at the very end, just that the bulk of his wealth would go to or through the church where it would go tax free due to church status. Most wealthy people would love to have such a tax exempt vehicle at their disposal. If anyone could create a convoluted way to launder his estate and render it entirely tax exempt it would be LRH, with his heirs the beneficiaries. I guess one would have to see first hand what his heirs are making off with when they come and go freely to ever really know for certain how it's all REALLY been set up. My perspective is that things are NEVER as they seem in or around Scientology.
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Scientology wasn't given back it's long revoked "tax free due to church status" until 7 years after LRH died.
 
Paul Adams said:
Puppets are very visible in the political space when they have to say things live. Speeches, where one reads off a teleprompter, don't reveal much beyond the unwillingness to talk off the cuff. Live debates can be interesting, but can also be stage-managed. I like events such as Putin's annual press conference, streamed live. He has done 14 of them to date, the 2018 one being 3 hours 44 minutes long. He answers questions from Russian and foreign journalists, including hardball ones, without notes. If someone thinks Putin is a mere puppet, I invite them to watch any of these, easily findable online.
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That brings to mind a certain former president who couldn't speak publicly without a teleprompter during his eight years in office. Whenever he went 'off 'prompter', it was a total disaster, pr-wise.

Paul Adams said:
Miscavige a puppet? I don't recall anyone (SO defectors from Int or his inner circle) ever saying he doesn't call the shots personally.
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I worked fairly close to Miscavige and his lieutenants for nearly a decade. I can tell you for a fact that Miscavige is the Capo di Tutti Capo of Scientology.
 
O Tease said:
Have you noticed the number of posters here has dwindled and wondered if there might be a reason for it?
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Dwindled? Since when? This board is still in its infancy.

I suppose you're referring to the general slowdown and loss of participation and interest at the old ESMB. That's been the trend across the ex-Scn community for some time now. People leave the cult, then spend a few years (or more) working it all out of their systems. Gradually, they find the answers and closure they're seeking, and begin fading away into the real world.

I believe most of us are somewhere along that journey.
 
Voodoo said:
I suppose you're referring to the general slowdown and loss of participation and interest at the old ESMB. That's been the trend across the ex-Scn community for some time now. People leave the cult, then spend a few years (or more) working it all out of their systems. Gradually, they find the answers and closure they're seeking, and begin fading away into the real world.

I believe most of us are somewhere along that journey.
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In the old and new boards, as you note, you have people who show up to resolve their remaining issues. Once they've talked themselves out about Scientology, most wander off to get on with their non-Scientology lives. A few stick around, answer questions and give advice to new people, and talk about other stuff in the members-only section
 
Karen#1 said:
Diana believes very much that Miscavige has "saved" Scientology and that he pulled off the tax exemption.
She is allowed on and off the base with a free pass.

She has never been in SP hole
She was raised on a ship where staff were thrown overboard for minor offenses so she sees nothing wrong with abusive punishment.
She believes she is being loyal to her father by staying the course.
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God, I find that bizzare beyond belief.

But it does explain a lot.

I have to assume she no longer has any kind of relationship with her sister Suzette and her brother Arthur.

Do you know, Karen?
 
Family money on his family side? I don't think I ever saw a photo of him. How did he and Diana met? Is he still in Scientology?
 
Nosy_Creature said:
Family money on his family side? I don't think I ever saw a photo of him. How did he and Diana met? Is he still in Scientology?
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They met in the Sea Org. No, he is not in Scientology. All of the Hubbard children (and grandchildren, AFAIK) are out except Diana. The rest, well, his personal finances are nobody's business but his own and his family's.
 
Jon Horwich was guaranteed to end up in the music industry. Music was a passion especially jazz..
On the Apollo, in Clearwater Jon's post was Action Chief.
The Action Chief selected Missionaires to fly all over the world to handle emergency situations ( FLAPS.)
Miscavige ended up replacing Jon Horwich as Action Chief.
On the Apollo Jon married Diana. They had a child, Roanne.
Jon did a very long RPF at INT base.
YEARS and YEARS and subsequently left the Sea Org and Scientology.



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Thanks for the pic, Karen. Wow, Jon Horwich is a tower! Is that the marriage picture? He hasn't his arm around Diana. Who is the blonde man to Suzette's left? That is not guy, is it?
 
Around 1981, Jon was "Watchdog Committee Network Liaison" (WDC-NWL), dealing with the various networks (LRH Comm Network, FBO Network, etc)
 
Nosy_Creature said:
What was the reason for Jon leaving? That he was assigned to the RPF?
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Just above your post, Karen stated he spent years and years on the RPF. Here is her post again, in case there was something you didn't understand:


Karen#1 said:
Jon Horwich was guaranteed to end up in the music industry. Music was a passion especially jazz..
On the Apollo, in Clearwater Jon's post was Action Chief.
The Action Chief selected Missionaires to fly all over the world to handle emergency situations ( FLAPS.)
Miscavige ended up replacing Jon Horwich as Action Chief.
On the Apollo Jon married Diana. They had a child, Roanne.
Jon did a very long RPF at INT base.
YEARS and YEARS and subsequently left the Sea Org and Scientology.



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I got it about Jon Horwich, thanks.

Does anyone know what relationship Roanne has with her mother Diana?

Do Diana and Roanne see each other? And is Roanne married with or without kids?
 
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