"You can't be poor and be a scientologist" -the view from the rich public

[I told you I was trouble]

Davey is running the game worse than Hubbard, but I do not believe he acts as a game-master. I don't think he himself believes himself to be a game master. Guy spent all his adult life in the cult, most of it in management. He doesn't have have a place to go.

Can you imagine Dave leaving and the pleading with Ron for a couch to sleep on? Neither can I.

I don't care what he believes and he could go wherever and whenever he wants to go ... his reign has been even more vicious than hubbards and there has been more entrapment since he grabbed the crown.

He is a thoroughly nasty little man and I truly hope he is still alive when the cult finally collapses.

 

[He-man]

Hammering isn't just for sledgehammers.

Guano... That. Was. My. Exact. Point.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

@HelluvaHoax! and all other ongoers.

Don't you think the fine line between getting a point across, and hammering it down with a sledgehammer, was crossed already someplace before #170?

Anyways. Music is always a great soothener.

Thanks for the musical interlude.

So are you are saying that my posts are so effectively compelling and so many people agree with me (including the OP that has me on ignore) that I run the risk of overrunning people and their bank will then cause them to reactively disagree with me? LOL

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[Karakorum]

No one would ever use a sledgehammer for applications that require a ball-peen hammer or a claw hammer. One is for metal and the other is for wood.

I think you should have seen the SO renovations.

 

[He-man]

Thanks for the musical interlude.

But if you think I am posting a particular theme more than you want me to---why is the solution that I should STFU instead of you just not reading it?

This thread got me thinking about why someone would trash Leah Remini's brilliant whistleblowing that positively reached so many millions. The thread is still going and the original poster is still spreading her views...so it doesn't appear that the debate is over, does it?

If you don't agree with something I wrote, you are welcome to discuss it.

BTW, if you are worried about karakorum seeing one of my forbidden posts and freewheeling, there is nodanger in that---he/she has me on ignore.

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Do you always answer a question by asking another one?

Debate isn't about winning. You've made your point, it doesn't always have to end with you running someone off the board.

 

[guanoloco]

Guano... That. Was. My. Exact. Point.

You're not getting my point. You can't just post "hammering with a sledgehammer" without first going into an encyclopediac dissertation on the topic of hammering, including the metaphysical ramifications across various cultures and mythologies, because this will leave THE WRONG IMPRESSION IN THE UNINFORMED READER'S MINDS as to what hammering is and what it's for.

Let me spell it out for you.

For the uninformed reader to be able to "get" what you're conveying you would need to contextually bracket the topic.

Otherwise people will dismiss your comment as irrelevant because they'll think hammering is for sledgehammers.

No one cares about that and HH's toxic posts will continue to render untold abuse and harm for ages to come.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Do you always answer a question by asking another one?

Debate isn't about winning. You've made your point, it doesn't always have to end with you running someone off the board.

Really, people get run off the board by disagreeing with them?

But people often disagree with me, why doesn't that run me off the board?

How about when they OP of this thread posted multiple times that I am a liar and a really terrible troll? When that happened why didn't that run ME off the board.

I have heard that accusation ("running people off the board") for a decade leveled against people (me, and others) when someone is either unable to deal with the conflict of ideas and debate---and they just want to try to shame someone else for voicing their ideas in a compelling way.

Anyways, congratulations on your new appointment as a board moderator and I think you should really bring this subject up at your next meeting with P&B to figure out how to get me to stop destroying your board and/or to get me banned.

It's a really cool debate gimmick you are attempting there.

 

[Karakorum]

If you are looking for more high crimes, there's this post

 

[He-man]

You're not getting my point. You can't just post "hammering with a sledgehammer" without first going into an encyclopediac dissertation on the topic of hammering, including the metaphysical ramifications across various cultures and mythologies, because this will leave THE WRONG IMPRESSION IN THE UNINFORMED READER'S MINDS as to what hammering is and what it's for.

Let me spell it out for you.

For the uninformed reader to be able to "get" what you're conveying you would need to contextually bracket the topic.

Otherwise people will dismiss your comment as irrelevant because they'll think hammering is for sledgehammers.

No one cares about that and HH's toxic posts will continue to render untold abuse and harm for ages to come.

I can, believe me, I got a note from Mrs Shrawnie.

Really, people get run off the board by disagreeing with them?

But they disagree with me why doesn't that run me off the board?

How about when they post multiple times that I am a liar and a really terrible troll?

I have heard that accusation ("running people off the board") for a decades leveled against people (me, and others) when someone is either unable to deal with the conflict of ideas and debate---and they just want to try to shame someone else for voicing their ideas in a compelling way.

Anyways, congratulations on your new appointment as a board moderator and I think you should really bring this subject up at your next meeting with P&B to figure out how to get me to stop destroying your board and/or to get me banned.

It's a really cool debate gimmick you are attempting there.

It is interesting for me to see that you try and shield yourself behind "having a debate" when you don't seem to try and understand what the other part is saying, instead taking it to its extreme meaning.

You got yourself into the position where she called you a liar and a troll, and instead of sorting it out, you go on a joking spree instead. Rinse and repeat, nothing new there.

I get it. It's what you do. It just saddens me to see a person with so much charisma and understanding, yet not being able to take one step back.

I also get the hypocrisy of me pointing it out and I am sorry for that. It's who I am.

I tried to get better but I couldn't afford a proper head shrink.

That's all I'm asking like, take one step back, smell the roses and let go.

Anyways, it's just my opinion. Like always, mine is golden, the rest of ye lot though... still on the scales.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I agree with all of that except the final line ... the new game master is Miscavige and he is even worse than the original one.

For the longest time, I always had the Commodore & COB in a dead heat in terms of which savior was the most sociopathically wicked and destructive.

However, more recently I tended to agree with your view that Hubbard was the lesser of the two evils. My reasoning is that Ron evidenced more compassion for mankind---which he compellingly demonstrated by leaving the planet.

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[HelluvaHoax!]

I don't care what he believes and he could go wherever and whenever he wants to go ... his reign has been even more vicious than hubbards and there has been more entrapment since he grabbed the crown.He is a thoroughly nasty little man and I truly hope he is still alive when the cult finally collapses.

Miscavige took Hubbard's lucrative hundred million dollar racket and injected it with a megadose of pathological avarice---thereby steroidally inflating the cults financial muscles to multi-billion dollar levels.

The cult was always extremely dangerous but now exponentially more --because of being armed with a fully stocked warchest of fair game munitions and the funds to replenish same, as well as hire mercenaries (e.g. PIs, Lawyers, Crooked politicians, academic shills, et al)

The only thing good about the badness of Miscavige is that he is so over the top thuggish, violent and hateable---that the public at large has grown to fear, hate and ridicule Scientology like never before.

Hubbard kept the public's contempt at a low boil by reason of NO INTERNET and his "spiritual" affectations and humanitarian rhetoric. Miscavige has no such writing/speaking skills, thus he had to hire a buffoonishly inept speech writer Dan Sherman. It is still stunning to consider that Scientologists routinely stand and applaud when COB furiously makes those clown words his own.

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[HelluvaHoax!]

I can, believe me, I got a not from Mrs Shrawnie.



It is interesting for me to see that you try and shield yourself behind "having a debate" when you don't seem to try and understand what the other part is saying, instead taking it to its extreme meaning.

You got yourself into the position where she called you a liar and a troll, and instead of sorting it out, you go on a joking spree instead. Rinse and repeat, nothing new there.

I get it. It's what you do. It just saddens me to see a person with so much charisma and understanding, yet not being able to take one step back.

I also get the hypocrisy of me pointing it out and I am sorry for that. It's who I am.

I tried to get better but I couldn't afford a proper head shrink.

That's all I'm asking like, take one step back, smell the roses and let go.

Anyways, it's just my opinion. Like always, mine is golden, the rest of ye lot though... still on the scales.

Thanks, I think I pretty much get all that you said.

I do really understand that satire is a sharp tool. Like knives, it can be a great help or if not tightly managed it can require bandages or even stitches.

I tend to be very calm unless provoked, lol.

I will admit to getting a little "edgy" with the spoofing sometimes....but I am not forcing anyone to read it. In my experience both as a writer, poster on this board and as a person who watches and loves comedians and satirists---it's not the satire that gets people freaked out. It's when the satire is pointed at something/someone that the reader doesn't want to be satirized.

Back in the day ("Once upon a time in Hollywood") when i hung out with creatives, comedians and such---I was at the apartment of a couple girls i know and one of them was dating a well-known comedian at that time. Very funny guy! Well, the girl he was picking up for a date was still in the back room getting ready, so her roommate and myself and the comedian hung out in the living room chatting.

You probably have seen that hardcore stand up comics are absolutely UNFILTERED in the things they say and do. Just freaking unimaginably unihibited! Well, he noticed that there were some LRH books and he began to riff on Hubbard and Scientology. Funny stuff, not particularly horrible, just joking. I didn't mind it at all but the roommate went freaking nuts and literally KICKED HIM OUT in a furiously indignant rage.

If that roommate had not been a Scientologist, she would have laughed or smiled or been amused. But it was viewed as a hate crime because Hubbard was not allowed to be satirized. Well, we know all about that because he created LAWS and POLICIES and CRIMES and HIGH CRIMES that would kill off anyone who dared to "Joke & Degrade" about him or his hoax.

So, what you said--- I get it. Honestly, i thought i was done posting on this thread a couple days ago, but something kept clinking around in my head that didn't sit right about the criticism of Leah. I literally woke up one time with a realization of something that made sense to me why it felt like such an icky mess to see someone saying so many negative things about a person that I felt deserved nothing but admiration, praise and love for their courageous whistleblowing. All that happened after that is that my thoughts seeped out and formulated into some zany satirical riff and so i just let my fingers type whatever they wanted to type, and voila! An edgy little thingie popped out! LOL

It's all just words, so no pets or humans were harmed during this experiment.

 

[He-man]

Thanks, I think I pretty much get all that you said.

I do really understand that satire is a sharp tool. Like knives, it can be a great help or if not tightly managed it can require bandages or even stitches.

I tend to be very calm unless provoked, lol.

I will admit to getting a little "edgy" with the spoofing sometimes....but I am not forcing anyone to read it. In my experience both as a writer, poster on this board and as a person who watches and loves comedians and satirists---it's not the satire that gets people freaked out. It's when the satire is pointed at something/someone that the reader doesn't want to be satirized.

Back in the day ("Once upon a time in Hollywood") when i hung out with creatives, comedians and such---I was at the apartment of a couple girls i know and one of them was dating a well-known comedian at that time. Very funny guy! Well, the girl he was picking up for a date was still in the back room getting ready, so her roommate and myself and the comedian hung out in the living room chatting.

You probably have seen that hardcore stand up comics are absolutely UNFILTERED in the things they say and do. Just freaking unimaginably unihibited! Well, he noticed that there were some LRH books and he began to riff on Hubbard and Scientology. Funny stuff, not particularly horrible, just joking. I didn't mind it at all but the roommate went freaking nuts and literally KICKED HIM OUT in a furiously indignant rage.

If that roommate had not been a Scientologist, she would have laughed or smiled or been amused. But it was viewed as a hate crime because Hubbard was not allowed to be satirized. Well, we know all about that because he created LAWS and POLICIES and CRIMES and HIGH CRIMES that would kill off anyone who dared to "Joke & Degrade" about him or his hoax.

So, what you said--- I get it. Honestly, i thought i was done posting on this thread a couple days ago, but something kept clinking around in my head that didn't sit right about the criticism of Leah. I literally woke up one time with a realization of something that made sense to me why it felt like such an icky mess to see someone saying so many negative things about a person that I felt deserved nothing but admiration, praise and love for their courageous whistleblowing. All that happened after that is that my thoughts seeped out and formulated into some zany satirical riff and so i just let my fingers type whatever they wanted to type, and voila! An edgy little thingie popped out! LOL

It's all just words, so no pets or humans were harmed during this experiment.

Thanks HH, I really appreciate that.

I can get extremely edgy too, as you know, I think we got different trigger point is all. Like, you really like Leah, so you go out of your way to defend her. I'm the same but I woo other ladies.

Two old farty knights in shiny armour.

And sometimes it's just who or what's being said and I just go into that mode too, like Al and his tribalism, sigh.

I'm actually amazed that I haven't gone into hyper drive these last few weeks, with the Corona self isolation and the fasting. I really don't go well with fasting.

The J&D Scientology mindset though - I really think I discarded that a long time ago, but I don't think my reaction towards shedding that mindset was the same. However, when you do bring that up, I'm really not sure, since I was raised into it. I know I gravitate towards sarcastic friendships, but only up to a point.

 

[Churchill]

Mubarak Ramadan, He-Man.