What's ILove2Lurk reading in advance of Rinder’s book release on Tuesday?

[J. Swift]

@J. Swift and @Karen#1 all my ideas I've expressed on this thread are colored by my opinion that the COS post-1986 was and is simply a financial fraud of about $3 billion, which has bankrupted and impoverished many families.

I take the longer view that it was all a financial fraud since L. Ron Hubbard overspent and embezzled the Dianetics Foundation of Elizabeth, NJ into bankruptcy. From there, he fled possible criminal charges in NJ. He then proceeded to spend Don Purcell and the Wichita Foundation into bankruptcy. He then skipped town and went to Phoenix where he used Volney Mathison's e-meter and auditing techniques to reboot as Scientology.

I'd like to know who the financial fraud "insiders" or conspirators are, if that's possible.

I call them the "Shadowmen" and define that term as all the people who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo going inside of the Cult. This includes David Miscavige personally; Scientology's regges; the IAS regges; non-Scientologist lawyers and PI's; PR damage control firms; more than a few dirty politicians and cops scattered everywhere the Cult operates; and some contractors who I think are involved in kickbacks. Monique Yingling and her firm have made tens of millions in their decades with the Cult. Talon Executive Services, Nova PRC, and a few other key vendors have gotten rich off the Cult.

I have another term called "The Scientology Money Club." These are wealthy Scientologists and, imo, the buy-in is $5 million minimum to the IAS or wherever David Miscavige designates it. This buys access to the Church's transnational network of offshore bankers, Shadowmen, lawyers, and other hustlers who can make things happen. The Dutch tax lawyer George Praag on Curacao is an example of someone with offshore connections. He can easily launder money through his online gambling sites. See my blog for some examples: Billionaire Bob Duggan, the Panama Papers, and the Scientology Money Club

I found so many have taken "hush money" over the years and to this day. I know how much Debbie Cook got, and I can only imagine Marty got more. Had to get more. Disheartening.

Definitely. That's how it works: Take the money or face Scientology's retalliation for the rest of your life.

To date, Bill Franks and Michael Flynn have given the most bold and hard-hitting interviews about scien and Hubbard, IMO. Bill Franks named names and discussed many specifics, going as far as talking about being asked to murder someone by the G.O. and about reading documents regarding three G.O. murder plots when he was ED Int. Now that was one truthful and brave guy. He is missed.

I really miss Bill Franks. He was a much beloved friend and would see Karen and I whenever he was in LA. I interviewed him at length on several podcasts. He was not ED/INT long enough to see how far down the rabbit hole LRH's offshore accounts, income tax evasion, and money laundering went.

 

[J. Swift]

An example of a Scientology ethical upstat: Grant Cardone telling people to use a credit card to buy his training program. If they go bankrupt, then the credit card companies will pay for it.

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[ILove2Lurk]

I interviewed him at length on several podcasts.

These were the best EVER!

 

[ILove2Lurk]

Sneak peek . . . full table of contents of Rinder's book in the spoiler. Don't look unless
you want to know the chapter list now . . . and ruin your surprise for tomorrow.

I won't be reviewing the book . . . I'll leave that up to y'all, LOL. Busy this week.

Spoiler: Rinder Book Chapter Listing

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[cakemaker]

These were the best EVER!

I would love to see a series of podcasts between Mike Rinder and Janis Gillham-Grady.
I don't know if Janis will ever get to finishing Book 3 of her story, the time period of Miscavige's takeover, but the details should be recorded for posterity.

 

[cakemaker]

@J. Swift and @Karen#1,

So many have taken "hush money" over the years and to this day. I know how much Debbie Cook
got, and I can only imagine Marty got more. Had to get more. Disheartening.

I had called Larry Brennan out of the blue years ago and spoke with him at length about all this
financial stuff and the WDC. We spoke about Omar Garrison's LRH biography and how that was
paid for and then hidden forever.

I wonder why Rathbun was not made to take down his blog.
It's still full of Miscavige's atrocities.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

I wonder why Rathbun was not made to take down his blog.

I think they know that the whole blog, articles and messages, has been downloaded
by others already, and if they vanished it one day, the next day it would pop up on the
Internet hosted in another country, where they'd have no way to pull it down. Best just
to leave it be and let it die a slow death as it is. I don't think anyone visits there anymore.
It's old news. This is my guess only. I don't have any inside info, other than what goes on
on the Internet. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Reyne Mayer]

I take the longer view that it was all a financial fraud since L. Ron Hubbard overspent and embezzled the Dianetics Foundation of Elizabeth, NJ into bankruptcy. From there, he fled possible criminal charges in NJ. He then proceeded to spend Don Purcell and the Wichita Foundation into bankruptcy. He then skipped town and went to Phoenix where he used Volney Mathison's e-meter and auditing techniques to reboot as Scientology.

if i can say a few things as a never in, that's certainly my take looking at the history from outside.

among other things in that early period he also kidnapped Alexa, and wrote the bizarrely paranoid letters to the FBI that got him labeled a 'mental case'.

he does seem to have gotten more obviously worse in the mid to late 60s, but that was hardly the beginning.

my suspicion is that he believed in some things related to what he was pedaling, but only expected to have a limited inner circle of 'big beings', sort of like Crowley at the Abbey of Thelema, while the rest of the unfit and unworthy would be lured with promises but used and exploited as necessary to bring him power and wealth, at least in this incarnation.

 

[Reyne Mayer]

I wonder why Rathbun was not made to take down his blog.
It's still full of Miscavige's atrocities.

my reading is that Marty was very insistent on making some sort of deal where it didn't seem to him like he was selling out completely, but rather doing certain things that he had some degree of agreement with. and DM must have decided that was better than nothing.

Best just to leave it be and let it die a slow death as it is.

yeah, in spite of the fact the CoS often seems fanatic about trying to get their way completely with things that have minimal if any real value, in this case it seems likely they decided that a compromise like that would serve them best if not perfectly. it gave them a venue for publishing certain things, and an appearance of plausible denial that they were totally in control of it like usual. and who knows, maybe some day we will find out that DM and others thought it would for example be a perfect way to help cripple the indies, that isn't obvious from the outside and may not have really worked at all.

by the way, it seems to me that Mike's book is intended to have maximum impact on general audiences, and because of that is not going to go quite in depth into historic dirty laundry as old timers might have wanted. i also get the impression that there is some stuff he doesn't want to get into other than privately with those who who were involved or suffered, perhaps because he fears being sued. i hope that he'll go into enough, that people can accept that a book of this sort can't go into everything.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

Mike's book is intended to have maximum impact on general audiences, and because of that is not going to go quite in depth into historic dirty laundry as old timers might have wanted.

Bingo! You're right.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

Amazon Kindle preview is now available for the Rinder book. You can read the first
three chapters or download the free preview to your device. No NDA necessary.

 

[pineapple]

I take the longer view that it was all a financial fraud since L. Ron Hubbard overspent and embezzled the Dianetics Foundation of Elizabeth, NJ into bankruptcy. From there, he fled possible criminal charges in NJ. He then proceeded to spend Don Purcell and the Wichita Foundation into bankruptcy. He then skipped town and went to Phoenix where he used Volney Mathison's e-meter and auditing techniques to reboot as Scientology.

The "prequel" to this was Hubbard running off with Jack Parsons' life savings and girlfriend. Hubbard was a con-man even before dianetics.

For anyone who doesn't know this story ...

[excerpt]

Soon afterwards, Parsons, Hubbard and Sara agreed to set up a business partnership, "Allied Enterprises", in which they invested nearly their entire savings—the vast majority contributed by Parsons. The plan was for Hubbard and Sara to buy yachts in Miami and sail them to the West Coast to sell for a profit. Hubbard had a different idea; he wrote to the U.S. Navy requesting permission to leave the country "to visit Central & South America & China" for the purposes of "collecting writing material"—in other words, undertaking a world cruise.[86] Aleister Crowley strongly criticized Parsons's actions, writing: "Suspect Ron playing confidence trick—Jack Parsons weak fool—obvious victim prowling swindlers." Parsons attempted to recover his money by obtaining an injunction to prevent Hubbard and Sara leaving the country or disposing of the remnants of his assets.[87] They attempted to sail anyway but were forced back to port by a storm. A week later, Allied Enterprises was dissolved. Parsons received only a $2,900 promissory note from Hubbard and returned home "shattered". He had to sell his mansion to developers soon afterwards to recoup his losses.[88]

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L. Ron Hubbard - Wikipedia

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[Karen#1]

Of course the celeb angle is what media look at first

Daily Mail excerpt on Mike Rinder's book

Scientology leaders 'spied on Nicole Kidman and tapped her phone' and desperately tried to put distance between her and Tom Cruise while the couple filmed Eyes Wide Shut, new book by high-ranking officer claims

• Leaders of Scientology church 'tried to put wedge between Kidman and Cruise'
• They 'feared Kidman might pull Cruise away from the religious movement'
• Former high-ranking church officer Mike Rinder makes claims in his new book

Scientology 'spied on Nicole Kidman and tapped her phone'

The leaders of the church desperately tried to put a wedge between the couple as they feared Kidman might pull Cruise away from the controversial religious movement, according to a new book.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Of course the celeb angle is what media look at first

Daily Mail excerpt on Mike Rinder's book

Scientology leaders 'spied on Nicole Kidman and tapped her phone' and desperately tried to put distance between her and Tom Cruise while the couple filmed Eyes Wide Shut, new book by high-ranking officer claims

• Leaders of Scientology church 'tried to put wedge between Kidman and Cruise'
• They 'feared Kidman might pull Cruise away from the religious movement'
• Former high-ranking church officer Mike Rinder makes claims in his new book

Scientology 'spied on Nicole Kidman and tapped her phone'

The leaders of the church desperately tried to put a wedge between the couple as they feared Kidman might pull Cruise away from the controversial religious movement, according to a new book.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The statute of limitations has probably long since expired on Tom Cruise and the Church of Scientology conspiring to illegally tap Nicole Kidman's phones. However, if the world was a tad bid saner, every glitzy moviestar interview Cruise does to promote his movies should begin with the question:

"So, Tom, what can you tell us about the time you and the cult of Scientology
and the dirty PI Anthony Pellicano conspired to illegally tap your wife's
phone? Did you know that you and your co-conspirator Miscavige could
have been indicted for a felony and imprisoned for 3 years in
California? Did you get your ethics in and get your
withholds off in your auditing sessions Tom?"



"I Won't Hesitate to Put Ethics In On Someone Else"
-Tom Cruise

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[Lee #28]

Building the soccer field to influence Beckham's potential recruitment into Scientology....really struck me....WoW!

 

[Karen#1]

Mike Rinder and Tony together in New York earlier today......
Tomorrow the book is reviewed on the Bunker.

 

[Karen#1]

Safely received, Now its time to READ

 

[ILove2Lurk]

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I've been "out of pocket" this past week and won't have my hands on a copy of the book
for at least another week. Life interferes sometimes.

We've all been waiting over a decade since the first mention of Mike Rinder writing a book
about his time as 2nd in command and consigliere of the Scientology Crime Syndicate. In
his 25 years at the highest levels, he must have witnessed at least one bombshell moment
for each month he was on top of the heap. Scientology history is rife with dramatic moments
and unbelievable tales and crimes.

I'm not seeing any reviews, raves, or bombshells being thrown about on this message board.
It's eerily quiet. Is anybody reading the book or can post their review? Anyone?

I've read a couple comments on other websites from veteran scientology watchers, ex-SO and
prolific posters. Already, some people are clamoring for a 2nd book:

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"There are always going to be people who want more info on past OSA operations, I am one of them. "​

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"A separate book on OSA is truly deserved.​

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"Mike could help get that done somehow by either himself or any researchers who wish to expose the Hubbard, again it all goes back to Hubbard, doctrines that continue to make OSA do it's nasty job today.​

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"Hubbard's writings that make OSA do nasty things today, needs a book, and that book has to get into the hands of PI firms, lawyers, who need to understand who they are working for.​

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"Mike really hopefully does a second book, just on OSA."​

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Really? On day one already looking for another book? I can't wait another ten years, LOL.

I was under the impression this book was to be the silver bullet, the dagger in the heart, if you will.

Any reviews or first impressions or bombshells? Anyone?

Does this book deliver on its expectations and advance PR for people like us?

Anyone?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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I was under the impression this book was to be the silver bullet, the dagger in the heart, if you will.
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Alas, there may not be any satisfying "silver bullet" when it comes to Scientology.

Statistically, it's far more likely that the cult will only generate "silver (tongued) bullshit".

To avoid frustration, I view Scientology as a kind of horror movie that continues to generate sequels. Like the franchise property "HALLOWEEN" which has already spawned 12 feature films! The original story has the psycho Michael Myers escaping from a psychiatric hospital for the criminally insane. After that he is a very hard guy to put ethics in on. Like Ron's motto, he keeps "coming back". Ron however somehow avoided being institutionalized altogether.

Movie franchises never stop, unless they start losing so much money that the studio pulls the plug. This could be instructive in the case of Scientology. If by any means (e.g. massively propagating civil law suits) Scientology cannot sustain its "magic powers for money" rackets, they will have to run a going-out-of-business sale ("Hey, Total Freedom - 60% off!).

Or, Scientology could escape once again if they come up with a real bright idea. Here's one I will offer for free! When the entheta hits the fan, Scientology can re-locate, just like Ron did.

But instead of BlueBird Motorhome, they could move ALL of Scientology's rackets offshore into international waters by purchasing one of those mega cruise line vessels--which can hold 7000 passengers. The cost to build is 1.3 billion dollars.

Wait! The cult has enough in its cash reserves to buy two (2) of those, which would be big enough to house 14,000, which is all active Scientologists in the entire world!

FINAL TAKEAWAY: Criminal cults. It takes time to take 'em down. Took a good century for the feds to finally do something about the Mafia by enacting RICO laws. By those standards, Scientology's demise will come in well ahead of schedule! Hey, we need to appreciate all the good news and wins, like the fact that 36 years ago the Teflon Ron went on the lam and nobody's heard of him since!


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[ILove2Lurk]

Kim Masterson interview from today.