The NOTs Scholars Home Page (Scientology)

[mimsey borogrove]

.

That happened to me too! I once had auditing and I found a $20 bill shortly afterwards.

I found the bill in my mail which the org sent me after I attended an event where they did a FREE GROUP AUDITING session. The sent me a bill for $20 to "cover the cost of the paper for the blank Success Story form" they handed me after the session.

They cared enough about me to ensure that I didn't go out-exchange with Ron and become a criminal. Surely that should count as an OT win.

.

I want my $20 back. Mumble, mumble.

 

[Hatshepsut]

.

That happened to me too! I once had auditing and I found a $20 bill shortly afterwards.

I found the bill in my mail which the org sent me after I attended an event where they did a FREE GROUP AUDITING session. The sent me a bill for $20 to "cover the cost of the paper for the blank Success Story form" they handed me after the session.

They cared enough about me to ensure that I didn't go out-exchange with Ron and become a criminal. Surely that should count as an OT win.

.

Could have sent back a reminder that it was 'group auditing' and EVERYBODY should get $20.

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

Some good replies here (for which thanks) but I must hasten to point out that the ability to find a parking space, materialise a $20 (or £20) note isn't the way I think the Scientology OT levels should be tested; it's just that I recognise that this is the way Scientologists themselves will want to test them.

 

[Bill]

Some good replies here (for which thanks) but I must hasten to point out that the ability to find a parking space, materialise a $20 (or £20) note isn't the way I think the Scientology OT levels should be tested; it's just that I recognise that this is the way Scientologists themselves will want to test them.

So, what do you think would be the correct way to test for ... what? "OT abilities"? It seems there really is no reason to test for OT abilities, none are promised.

Yes, Hubbard did promise the end product of Scientology was godlike powers, but the CoS contract explicitly cancels all of Hubbard's promises, claims and suggested results.

What would you test for?

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

So, what do you think would be the correct way to test for ... what? "OT abilities"? It seems there really is no reason to test for OT abilities, none are promised.

Yes, Hubbard did promise the end product of Scientology was godlike powers, but the CoS contract explicitly cancels all of Hubbard's promises, claims and suggested results.

What would you test for?

He might have done, but that doesn't mean we did or had to interpret it that way and I never did even when I was "in."

The insight meditation teacher Joseph Goldstein (no relation to Mike Goldstein of Idenics fame AFAIK) posted a list of aeven qualities that he thought advanced meditators should be able to both experience and display in their everyday lives. Ken Keyes posted them in one of his books, which is where I first saw them. I posted these on the old board too (sorry the formatting is so cacked but it's an open document file);

Joseph Goldstein - Seven Factors Of Expanded Consciousness

(from Ken Keyes's "How to enjoy your life in spite of it all")

Mindfulness


Broad awareness of what is instead of ignoring or not noticing important aspects of now.


Wisdom


Balancing all the factors of the head and the heart so as to produce a skilful and compassionate response to life instead of a confused, inappropriate response due to overemphasising some factors and underemphasising others. Wisdom is seeing the overall picture.


Energy


An energetic participation in the games of life instead of a lazy, sluggish approach.


Rapture


An interest or fascination with life instead of a bored, dulled, grayed out feeling.


Tranquillity


A calmness, serenity and inner peace instead of a frantic, threatened, overly emotional handling of the here and now,


Concentration


An ability to focus the mind on what's now instead of a butterfly-like flitting around that doesn't come to grips with a situation long enough to find a skilful response.


Equanimity


An equal-valued perception of the games of life as not personally threatening, as opposed to experiencing things as heavy in their consequences with doom always around the corner.

=====================================================================

I'd say that's a pretty good list of things to be going on with, wouldn't you agree?

 

[ILove2Lurk]

Yes, Hubbard did promise the end product of Scientology was godlike powers, but the CoS contract explicitly cancels all of Hubbard's promises, claims and suggested results.

Good point! Very good point.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

.

So, what do you think would be the correct way to test for ... what? "OT abilities"? It seems there really is no reason to test for OT abilities, none are promised. Yes, Hubbard did promise the end product of Scientology was godlike powers, but the CoS contract explicitly cancels all of Hubbard's promises, claims and suggested results. What would you test for?

.
Very thought provoking!

The real test for OT has nothing to do with attaining Godlike powers.

To pass the test for OT would would have to have attained 1 of the 2 following states:

1. THE SCIENTOLOGIST BELIEVES THEY ACTUALLY HAVE OT POWERS.​

​

2. THE SCIENTOLOGIST KNOWS THEY DIDN'T ACQUIRE ANY OT POWERS AND THEY DON'T CARE.​

I find it virtually impossible to determine which one of those two is crazier.

In this sense the entire GRADE CHART is irrelevant in Scientology—other than its occasional use as a conversation starter or way to "break the ice" during the first moments of a reg cycle.

.