the CLEAR

[ExMyself]

Hi all,
i left Scientology 1 year or so ago, during protrs and i remember people saying how amazing was being clear and reach that point. I remember someone told me that it took 5 years for her to go clear because there is a specific EP and she was not getting it. I am now courious, as i am remembering my scientology journey with everything that is going on with the speed runs, and i wonder: do you know what is the EXACT EP for going clear? and why it has to be exactly that? and if you are Clear, did someone told you the EP or you really found out after paying a lot of money? is it true what ppl inside the church used to say that it was the best experience ever? if it was similar to the pro trs for me would have been hell!!!
let's discuss
and thanks for the welcome - i am happy i have found a space!

 

[Type4_PTS]

Nobody obtained the attributes of a Clear as Hubbard described it in DMSMH, and the definition of Clear kept changing after that. Within this post on the original ESMB (which is in archive-only mode) is a post from David Mayo about this. He wrote it in 1989, 6 years after he left his post of Senior C/S International, and was no longer in the CoS.

Clear: some background

IMO, essentially, Hubbard's basic behavior didn't change from the very beginning. Hubbard hiding out in Queens, New York, in 1973: __________ Hubbard's mistress from 1951 was interviewed by BBC television for the late 1990s 'Secret Lives' Program, and told of seeing Hubbard in 1951...

forum.exscn.net

Here is an excerpt from that post:



It was PR and marketing considerations that led Hubbard to decide that certain people were "clear" at a certain point, and that they therefore had no reactive mind. However, this assertion is a lie, and a very destructive one, one that denies case gain to a great many people and provides a too-convenient rabbit button for pc's, auditors and C/S's who are having trouble with the pc's case. The claim that case and ethics problems can be caused by being clear was:

1. Absurd on the face of it.
2. A declaration of open rabbitting season.

Trying to define "clear" is difficult because it is being done over a lie. We either have to restore the meaning of clear to its original absolute meaning (which means that there aren't any clears in existence), or we have to say that what people have attested to as clear is actually only a state of release or reduction.

We can say that the purpose of auditing is to clear aberrations and that if all aberrations were cleared, a "state of clear" would be attained. The concept of "clear" is useful as an ultimate goal, like the goal of perfect happiness or of perfect anything. It is a direction in which to continue to progress. It is not an attainable state (at least given our present level of technology).

 

[pineapple]

Hi, @ExMyself, welcome aboard. I left scn in 1981, 45 years ago this year. (Wow!) I attested Dn Clear in 1979. The HCOB that said it was possible to go clear on Dns came out in '78 and there was a huge frenzy of attests in the wake of that. At the time there was definitely a specific cognition you had to have to attest, unless you were a 'Natural Clear', which meant you never had a reactive mind to begin with. For the naturals, specific meter phenomena were required. (I suspect the same cog is required today, though I doubt they accept 'natural clears' anymore.) I truly believed I was clear, and yeah it was great, for about 2 weeks. Then I began to realize that nothing had really changed, though I still believed I was clear. It took me many years to figure out what had happened. I now believe clear was just a delusion. I convinced myself I was clear to handle the cognitive dissonance I experienced when I saw so many other people attesting, many of whom I found it impossible to accept as clear. Some of these supposed clears showed nothing like the insight or ability I'd associated with clear up until then.

Nobody fed me the clear cog. Hubbard drops many hints about it, beginning in the early 50s. (Not in DMSMH or the other early books, though.) My understanding came from reading.

There was much discussion about clear and the clear cog on our old site, forum.exscn.net. If you want more I suggest you go there and search for 'state of clear', 'clear cognition', or similar wording. I hope this helps.

 

[Hatshepsut]

I think there are many situations where one remarkably reboots into caseless-ness. They happen whether or not Scientology ever existed. Some of the remarkable testimonials come from people on the edge of being annihilated. They suddenly pull out into a state of raw awareness. Not entrenched deeply in any identity. Why this happens, I don't know. Many an author telling the stories of soldiers on the field, or people left for dead after a trauma, has described this resurgence of pure unbridled, expansion of awareness.

 

[ExMyself]

Hi, @ExMyself, welcome aboard. I left scn in 1981, 45 years ago this year. (Wow!) I attested Dn Clear in 1979. The HCOB that said it was possible to go clear on Dns came out in '78 and there was a huge frenzy of attests in the wake of that. At the time there was definitely a specific cognition you had to have to attest, unless you were a 'Natural Clear', which meant you never had a reactive mind to begin with. For the naturals, specific meter phenomena were required. (I suspect the same cog is required today, though I doubt they accept 'natural clears' anymore.) I truly believed I was clear, and yeah it was great, for about 2 weeks. Then I began to realize that nothing had really changed, though I still believed I was clear. It took me many years to figure out what had happened. I now believe clear was just a delusion. I convinced myself I was clear to handle the cognitive dissonance I experienced when I saw so many other people attesting, many of whom I found it impossible to accept as clear. Some of these supposed clears showed nothing like the insight or ability I'd associated with clear up until then.

Nobody fed me the clear cog. Hubbard drops many hints about it, beginning in the early 50s. (Not in DMSMH or the other early books, though.) My understanding came from reading.

There was much discussion about clear and the clear cog on our old site, forum.exscn.net. If you want more I suggest you go there and search for 'state of clear', 'clear cognition', or similar wording. I hope this helps.

thanks for sharing the name of the old site and for share your experience. this is vert interesting. I wonder if for Scientology one can go clear anytime - the person just need to say the magic words / concept and they are clear

 

[ExMyself]

another follow up question is: can you go clear anytime? just saying the right word? would Scientology allow this to happen or not because they want your money to do all the courses?