Scio Susceptibility

[XenuHimself]

Are there qualities that make a person susceptible to Scientology?

I do not mean the question to be insulting. When I was young, I may have been sucked in myself. I think my susceptibility was that when I was young, I simply found it hard to believe that someone could be as dishonest as LRH was when it came to his claims. I am much more cynical now.

How can a person possibly believe the space opera, astral travel, past life, move stuff with your mind claims without any confirmatory evidence whatsoever?

 

[programmer_guy]

In my opinion, it is not a "one size fits all" answer.

 

[Xenu Xenu Xenu]

Moses David, the leader of The Children Of God cult urged his female members to offer sex to possible new male recruits in an effort to rope in new members. He told them that he wanted them to be "Happy Hookers for Christ". They were recruiting for a "good cause".

Con Artist Hubbard; through his orders, staff training, bulletins and policy letters urged his recruiters, registrars, and other staff to be "Con Artists for Hubbard". At least that is how I see it and have seen it for quite some time. The guy who recruited me and regged me sized me up and laid it on thick including telling me exactly what I wanted to hear. Looking back, I am amazed just how well he had me figured out. You know, he was doing all this for a "good cause". Of course, some recruiters are better than others and some recruits are easier than others.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

Are there qualities that make a person susceptible to Scientology?

Are there qualities that make a person susceptible to (believing in):

• Reincarnation
• Christian heaven (or hell)
• Muslim heaven (with the 72 virgins and such)
• Mormon heaven (paradise or a spirit prison)
• Nation of Islam (UFO?)
• Some Buddha state and elevation to another upper plane
• Hindu variations -- possibly reborn as an animal
• On and on . . .

Yeah, being a human living in a rough and tumble world and desperately
hoping there's something else, something greater, something more to
believe in which will soften the blows and sorrows along the way. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[marra]

Nowadays there is so much information about scientology on the internet that it is very easy to read about it and decide that it's all nonsense. But that isn't the way people are recruited. It is a slow process - drip, drip, drip. A person may do the communication course and get some benefits from it then decide to do another course and so on until they are hooked. Or they may read a book and assume that the contents must be true otherwise it wouldn't be allowed to be published. That could spark enough interest to get them to do an introductory course or read another book. Most scientologists have no idea about xenu because they never get to that level of the Bridge.

In my opinion you would have to experience it yourself to be able to fully appreciate why people get into it.

 

[Veda]

Are there qualities that make a person susceptible to Scientology?

I do not mean the question to be insulting. When I was young, I may have been sucked in myself. I think my susceptibility was that when I was young, I simply found it hard to believe that someone could be as dishonest as LRH was when it came to his claims. I am much more cynical now.

As a book title stated, Hubbard sold people "a piece of blue sky." Even though he wasn't "Clear" and no one he knew was "Clear" (DMSMH definition), he sold "Clear." He sold "total cause," etc., and recruited based on its promise (original OT 8 "abilities gained"), even though that level didn't exist, etc.

He used "mental healing" to "assert and maintain dominion."

He also used "help" to gain confidence and trust.

Is it wise to reject everything that Hubbard brushed against or used?

Life is very strange. One might even say miraculous.

We know a lot about life and the universe, but what we don't know is vastly more.

How can a person possibly believe the space opera, astral travel, past life, move stuff with your mind claims without any confirmatory evidence whatsoever?

If the universe has a history, with its trillions of galaxies and billions of years, and likely civilizations, out there some place, that are hundreds of thousands of years old, "space opera" - in a fashion - probably exists.

Just not the comic book version Hubbard sold.

Astral travel? Hubbard called that "somebody's delusion." Hubbard didn't sell astral travel. He invented "thetans" and make them all powerful and sold that. Not the same thing.

Past lives? There are many possibilities. Past lives are one of many.

Move stuff with your mind? Not on Hubbard's comic book scale.

But there are mysteries. Einstein called it spooky effect.

Don't let Hubbard and Scientology. and goofy Scientologists, dampen your curiosity, and wonder, at the marvels and mystery of the universe and life.

 

[Zertel]

Intellectual curiosity. A study of the mind using a high tech electronic meter.

The author of the thread is or seems to be a never-in and assumes everyone has researched scn on the internet before participating which is not the case.

 

[Veda]

On the topic of being susceptible...

They call themselves "the elite."

They envision a planetary system of neo-feudalism where they are the Lords and we are the serfs.
"You vill own nuzzing, haaav no praaavacy, und be haaapy."


"Free Will is over."

Hope and pray they fail.

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[Enthetan]

Are there qualities that make a person susceptible to Scientology

Two elements of a successful con:

1) Find something the target really, really wants.

2) Tell him he can have it, if he just follows you.

There are lots of cons out there, many of bv them worse than Scientology, but having a common factor of making a promise of something the target really wants.

One example: Marxism. After a century of being proved wrong, after around a hundred million dead (murdered because they wouldn't go along) there are still people who believe in it.

Marxism and Scientology had some common elements: a surface promise of "creating a better world", and a covert promise of "follow me and I will give you power over your enemies".

 

[Enthetan]

The author of the thread is a never-in and assumes everyone has researched scn on the internet before participating which is not the case

Scientology's most prosperous time was after Scientology lawyers had cowed magazine publishers into avoiding talking negatively about them, and before everyone had easy and immediate access to the internet.

The Internet: one big reason why Scientology is in a death-spiral. As soon as a Scientologist opens his mouth, the person can whip out his phone and see lots of bad testimony about it.

That's why "cancel culture" is a big deal: if you can purge the internet of uncomplementary facts, then your side can win the ideological war.

 

[Zertel]

Are there qualities that make a person susceptible to Scientology?

I do not mean the question to be insulting. When I was young, I may have been sucked in myself. I think my susceptibility was that when I was young, I simply found it hard to believe that someone could be as dishonest as LRH was when it came to his claims. I am much more cynical now.

How can a person possibly believe the space opera, astral travel, past life, move stuff with your mind claims without any confirmatory evidence whatsoever?

@XenuHimself Did you ever participate in scientology?

 

[XenuHimself]

No. Long ago, in my teens, I had a friend who was involved. I have followed it as a curiosity ever since. Though I have always been more interested in L Ron Hubbard than the so called 'tech'.

@XenuHimself Did you ever participate in scientology?

 

[onceuponatime]

Two elements of a successful con:

1) Find something the target really, really wants.

2) Tell him he can have it, if he just follows you.

While there's more to it, I think ultimately it boils down to this. Scientology promises to solve all your problems and turn you into superman, as long as you do what they tell you to do.

 

[Zertel]

Intellectual curiosity. A study of the mind using a high tech electronic meter.

The author of the thread is or seems to be a never-in and assumes everyone has researched scn on the internet before participating which is not the case.

In the 1970's I considered my Mark V e-meter a rather "high tech" instrument although that terminology probably didn't exist at the time. The damn thing could even read minds! In an auditing session you could tell a preclear to "Locate and incident . . . . (of something)" and he would start looking. Eventually the meter would read and a few seconds later you could see he was looking at an incident. Wow

The meters today are even more high tech or state of the art as the saying goes. Just look at them with all the electronic gizmos and gadgets. They must be very sophisticated for them to cost $4,000, right?

(Back then and now probably not many people know what a Wheatstone bridge is. Just clarifying a technical point for XenuHimself since I mentioned meters.)

 

[XenuHimself]

I am not clear on the distinction between 'astral travel' and 'exterior with full perception', but I do know the latter was quite a carrot for some.

Astral travel? Hubbard called that "somebody's delusion." Hubbard didn't sell astral travel. He invented "thetans" and make them all powerful and sold that. Not the same thing.

 

[Zertel]

On the topic of being susceptible...

They call themselves "the elite."

They envision a planetary system of neo-feudalism where they are the Lords and we are the serfs.
"You vill own nuzzing, haaav no praaavacy, und be haaapy."


"Free Will is over."

Hope and pray they fail.

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Edit: Video added

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Yuval is talking about biological immortality and some people will go for it. Even if you could live for a thousand years the Grim Reaper will still come stalking. Best to stick with spirit immortality. Lol

 

[Bill]

Back when I got in, scientists were actually making significant discoveries which changed the world. Fundamental discoveries. It was not so far-fetched that this could happen in the field of the mind. I was also young, inexperienced and open to new things.

Also, I read a lot of science fiction.

But, today, with the internet and all the books and websites exposing the lies, abuses and crimes of Hubbard and Scientology, I do not see how a new person would get lured into the cult.

 

[pineapple]

I am not clear on the distinction between 'astral travel' and 'exterior with full perception', but I do know the latter was quite a carrot for some.

I'm not an expert on the occult, but based on my reading, 'astral travel' is travel on the astral plane, which is another dimension, not the physical universe. One does this in one's astral body, which is a 'subtle body' one supposedly has or that one mentally creates.

Neither the astral plane nor astral body exist in scientology. Being 'exterior' in scientology means the thetan (you, yourself) being outside your physical body in the physical universe, not some other dimension.

I've never done any astral travel, but when I was a scientologist I often went exterior. I now consider this to be a hallucination. Some people refer to this (seeing from a viewpoint outside your body) as dissociation.

 

[Reyne Mayer]

In the 1970's I considered my Mark V e-meter a rather "high tech" instrument although that terminology probably didn't exist at the time. The damn thing could even read minds! In an auditing session you could tell a preclear to "Locate and incident . . . . (of something)" and he would start looking. Eventually the meter would read and a few seconds later you could see he was looking at an incident. Wow

The meters today are even more high tech or state of the art as the saying goes. Just look at them with all the electronic gizmos and gadgets. They must be very sophisticated for them to cost $4,000, right?

from my perspective the first meters looked like something from the early 20th century, and the latest ones just look midcentury modern -- an analog dial flipping back and forth in the 2020s, c'mon!

Back when I got in, scientists were actually making significant discoveries which changed the world. Fundamental discoveries. It was not so far-fetched that this could happen in the field of the mind.

i think some of it is still possible, and even happening to an extent -- but it's being done by real scientists with the likes of fMRI machines, not by amateurs with a glorified electrical meter.

nowadays it's pretty obvious that scientology's equipment, and i's whole approach, is dated and unscientific compared to what's going on in the real world....

 

[Zertel]

from my perspective the first meters looked like something from the early 20th century, and the latest ones just look midcentury modern -- an analog dial flipping back and forth in the 2020s, c'mon!



i think some of it is still possible, and even happening to an extent -- but it's being done by real scientists with the likes of fMRI machines, not by amateurs with a glorified electrical meter.

nowadays it's pretty obvious that scientology's equipment, and i's whole approach, is dated and unscientific compared to what's going on in the real world....

Those things won't work! How do know when they have a floating needle? Regardless of its appearance my trusty Mark V worked just fine and everybody I audited got to the Examiner with a floating needle, thank you.

To XenuHimself - After an auditing session the person goes to a person called the Examiner to make sure everything went okey-dokey. I don't know if psychiatrists, analysts or psychologists have any type of follow up verification. Hubbard promoted scn as science, therapy, planetary salvation and everything else but I think most scnists just looked at it as self improvement and self awareness rather than therapy.