RFK Jr.’s ties to Scientology’s sordid past, and his unity on its goals today

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TONY ORTEGA
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In late January, as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was going through Senate hearings before he was confirmed as the nation’s top health official and will lead the Department of Health and Human Services, some of the toughest questioning was about his connections to a law firm by the name of Wisner Baum.

Senator Elizabeth Warren was particularly focused on whether RFK Jr would continue to receive consulting fees from Wisner Baum, who is suing Merck, the makers of Gardasil, the HPV vaccine.

CBS, CNN, Reuters — basically every major news outlet — closely covered the issue of whether Kennedy intended to continue to receive consulting fees even if he was confirmed to lead HHS (and the answer was yes, he did intend to keep receiving the money, but said he would pass it on to one of his sons).

It was a widely covered story. But what none of those major news outlets mentioned was that Wisner Baum is a law firm led by OT Scientologists who have worked with Kennedy for many years. And one of them, Michael Baum, was even an unindicted co-conspirator in Scientology’s notorious “Snow White Program” that infiltrated the US government in the 1970s.

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Yet another link to our lovable abusive, life-destroyng child trafficking cult.

If Trump wants to drain the swamp then I have a good idea where he should start.
 
Tony's post is misleading. There was zero evidence presented that RFK JR was even aware of Wisner & Baum's Scientology background or that Wisner & Baum are still Scientologists. And the sources used in the blog post to back up his assertions misrepresent the science linking SSRI's and violence.

A 2-minute search will show that the jury is still out on the subject of whether SSRIs cause some to become violent. Here's just a handful of links on the topic:


Psychiatric Drugs and Violence: A Review of FDA Data Finds A Link
Antidepressants near top of list of drugs associated with violence

Antidepressants and murder: case not closed

The SSRI-Violence Link: Myth or Menace?

Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors and Violent Crime: A Cohort Study

Do Antidepressants Increase Violent Behavior?
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Tony claimed the way Trump's Executive Order was written it could have come out of a CCRH pamphlet. This is the only thing (concerning SSRIs that was in the Executive Order. (emphasis added by me)

Sec. 4. Fighting Childhood Chronic Disease. The initial mission of the Commission shall be to advise and assist the President on how best to exercise his authority to address the childhood chronic disease crisis. Therefore, the Commission shall:

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(ii) assess the threat that potential over-utilization of medication, certain food ingredients, certain chemicals, and certain other exposures pose to children with respect to chronic inflammation or other established mechanisms of disease, using rigorous and transparent data, including international comparisons;

(iii) assess the prevalence of and threat posed by the prescription of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, antipsychotics, mood stabilizers, stimulants, and weight-loss drugs;

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(b) Make our Children Healthy Again Strategy. Within 180 days of the date of this order, the Commission shall submit to the President, through the Chair and the Executive Director, a Make Our Children Healthy Again Strategy (Strategy), based on the findings from the Make Our Children Healthy Again Assessment described in subsection (a) of this section. The Strategy shall address appropriately restructuring the Federal Government’s response to the childhood chronic disease crisis, including by ending Federal practices that exacerbate the health crisis or unsuccessfully attempt to address it, and by adding powerful new solutions that will end childhood chronic disease.

(c) The Chair may hold public hearings, meetings, roundtables, and similar events, as appropriate, and may receive expert input from leaders in public health and Government accountability.

<snip> Full Executive Order is here:
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Notice that Trump or Kennedy haven't called for the eradication of psychiatrists in this sector of the universe or to to even ban SSRIs.

There are many in the scientific and medical communities who believe SSRIs are over-prescribed, and some believe there is a link between SSRIs and violent behavior. To examine the scientific literature on this and act accordingly is a sane response. There is nothing sane about Scientology's position on the subject.

Kennedy is an attorney and has successfully sued or partnered with other attorneys that won lawsuits against Monsanto, Pfizer, and countless others which have benefited millions of Americans. To go after giants like Monsanto you need great attorneys. And, Wisner & Baum, the attorneys that are the subject of Tony's post as well as four others in their law firm, are some of the best in the country. Here is some info on them:

Wisner Baum | Avvo Rating 10/10 Superb

Settlements & Verdicts:

Top legal publications have recognized Wisner Baum for notable verdicts and settlements across several areas of practice:

Largest California Product Liability Jury Verdicts Two Years in a Row 2018-2019
Top 10 National Jury Verdicts Two Years in a Row 2018-2019
Top 10 Most Impressive Plaintiff Verdicts 2019
Top 20 National Jury Verdicts 2018
Top 10 Illinois Product Liability Jury Verdicts 2017
Top 10 Illinois Wrongful Death Jury Verdicts 2017
Top 50 Illinois Jury Verdicts 2017
Top 100 National Wrongful Death Jury Verdicts 2017
In 2019, our firm and co-counsel won a historic $2 billion Roundup verdict against Monsanto (now Bayer), the ninth-largest personal injury jury verdict in United States history and the largest jury verdict in the state of California in 2019.
 
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Tony's post is misleading. There was zero evidence presented that RFK JR was even aware of Wisner & Baum's Scientology background or that Wisner & Baum are still Scientologists. And the sources used in the blog post to back up his assertions misrepresent the science linking SSRI's and violence.

A 2-minute search will show that the jury is still out on the subject of whether SSRIs cause some to become violent. Here's just a handful of links on the topic:


Psychiatric Drugs and Violence: A Review of FDA Data Finds A Link
Antidepressants near top of list of drugs associated with violence

Antidepressants and murder: case not closed

The SSRI-Violence Link: Myth or Menace?

Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors and Violent Crime: A Cohort Study

Do Antidepressants Increase Violent Behavior?
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Tony claimed the way Trump's Executive Order was written it could have come out of a CCRH pamphlet. This is the only thing (concerning SSRIs that was in the Executive Order. (emphasis added by me)

Sec. 4. Fighting Childhood Chronic Disease. The initial mission of the Commission shall be to advise and assist the President on how best to exercise his authority to address the childhood chronic disease crisis. Therefore, the Commission shall:

<snip>
(ii) assess the threat that potential over-utilization of medication, certain food ingredients, certain chemicals, and certain other exposures pose to children with respect to chronic inflammation or other established mechanisms of disease, using rigorous and transparent data, including international comparisons;

(iii) assess the prevalence of and threat posed by the prescription of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, antipsychotics, mood stabilizers, stimulants, and weight-loss drugs;

<snip>

(b) Make our Children Healthy Again Strategy. Within 180 days of the date of this order, the Commission shall submit to the President, through the Chair and the Executive Director, a Make Our Children Healthy Again Strategy (Strategy), based on the findings from the Make Our Children Healthy Again Assessment described in subsection (a) of this section. The Strategy shall address appropriately restructuring the Federal Government’s response to the childhood chronic disease crisis, including by ending Federal practices that exacerbate the health crisis or unsuccessfully attempt to address it, and by adding powerful new solutions that will end childhood chronic disease.

(c) The Chair may hold public hearings, meetings, roundtables, and similar events, as appropriate, and may receive expert input from leaders in public health and Government accountability.

<snip> Full Executive Order is here:
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Notice that Trump or Kennedy haven't called for the eradication of psychiatrists in this sector of the universe or to to even ban SSRIs.

There are many in the scientific and medical communities who believe SSRIs are over-prescribed, and some believe there is a link between SSRIs and violent behavior. To examine the scientific literature on this and act accordingly is a sane response. There is nothing sane about Scientology's position on the subject.

Kennedy is an attorney and has successfully sued or partnered with other attorneys that won lawsuits against Monsanto, Pfizer, and countless others which have benefited millions of Americans. To go after giants like Monsanto you need great attorneys. And, Wisner & Baum, the attorneys that are the subject of Tony's post as well as four others in their law firm, are some of the best in the country. Here is some info on them:

Wisner Baum | Avvo Rating 10/10 Superb

Settlements & Verdicts:

Top legal publications have recognized Wisner Baum for notable verdicts and settlements across several areas of practice:

Largest California Product Liability Jury Verdicts Two Years in a Row 2018-2019
Top 10 National Jury Verdicts Two Years in a Row 2018-2019
Top 10 Most Impressive Plaintiff Verdicts 2019
Top 20 National Jury Verdicts 2018
Top 10 Illinois Product Liability Jury Verdicts 2017
Top 10 Illinois Wrongful Death Jury Verdicts 2017
Top 50 Illinois Jury Verdicts 2017
Top 100 National Wrongful Death Jury Verdicts 2017
In 2019, our firm and co-counsel won a historic $2 billion Roundup verdict against Monsanto (now Bayer), the ninth-largest personal injury jury verdict in United States history and the largest jury verdict in the state of California in 2019.



No evidence low serotonin connected to depression.

Pseudo science where the drugs' efficacy is more than likely placebo.

Against the stream: Antidepressants are not antidepressants – an alternative approach to drug action and implications for the use of antidepressants


Summary
Although antidepressants are regarded as effective and specific treatments, they are barely superior to placebo in randomised trials, and differences are unlikely to be clinically relevant. The conventional disease-centred understanding of drug action regards antidepressants as targeting an underlying brain process, but an alternative ‘drug-centred’ view suggests they are psychoactive substances that modify normal mental states and behaviour. These alterations, such as numbing of emotions, may reduce feelings of depression, and also create amplified placebo effects in randomised trials. Patients should be informed that there is no evidence that antidepressants work by correcting a chemical imbalance, that antidepressants have mind-altering effects, and that evidence suggests they produce no noticeable benefit compared with placebo.
 
No evidence low serotonin connected to depression.


That didn't stop patients from being informed their depression WAS connected to low serotonin, and their depression was the result of a "chemical imbalance."

And it didn't stop medical students from being indoctrinated to believe this as well.






Pseudo science where the drugs' efficacy is more than likely placebo.


The SSRIs do seem to help some people. If I was a psychiatrist, I would keep them in my toolbox, but mostly use them as a last resort. If someone had severe depression and no other therapy worked, I probably would prescribe SSRIs.

Certain types of exercise have been shown to help some people with mild to moderate depression just as much as any antidepressants. I would prescribe that to those who are physically capable. Also, certain nutritional deficiencies can contribute to the development of depressive symptoms, so that should be checked for.

And per that article you linked to, some people will be helped with psychotherapy. Their depression is caused by life events, not a chemical imbalance. A good psychologist has tools to help them reduce or overcome their depression.
 
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While the ties to Scientology are concerning, I still hold my initial belief that If it came down to it this administration wouldn't provide as much protection as Scientology probably thinks.


All the ties are concerning, but I am not more concerned with how the Trump administration would handle Scientology matters than I would have been had Kamala been elected.

On the contrary, I'd be more concerned had Kamala got elected. We've already seen how she handled things when evidence of Scientology criminality was brought to her attention. And it wasn't good! :no:

With Trump, some Scientologists have some access to at least some within his inner circle, but that doesn't guarantee he'll act in a way that CoS wants. He has other influences as well, not all of whom are pro-Scientology.

During the first Trump administration, I was very closely connected to a prominent doctor who spoke multiple times with several members of Trump's inner circle, including a family member. He expressed his professional opinion about how the feds should respond to the covid pandemic, and that opinion dramatically differed from Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx, and others. Those he spoke to seemed in agreement to a large extent. But, I didn't see any change in how Trump handled things going forward. My point in all this is that having access to Trump administration officials doesn't guarantee they'll do what you want them to do.
 

No evidence low serotonin connected to depression.

Pseudo science where the drugs' efficacy is more than likely placebo.

Against the stream: Antidepressants are not antidepressants – an alternative approach to drug action and implications for the use of antidepressants


Summary
Although antidepressants are regarded as effective and specific treatments, they are barely superior to placebo in randomised trials, and differences are unlikely to be clinically relevant. The conventional disease-centred understanding of drug action regards antidepressants as targeting an underlying brain process, but an alternative ‘drug-centred’ view suggests they are psychoactive substances that modify normal mental states and behaviour. These alterations, such as numbing of emotions, may reduce feelings of depression, and also create amplified placebo effects in randomised trials. Patients should be informed that there is no evidence that antidepressants work by correcting a chemical imbalance, that antidepressants have mind-altering effects, and that evidence suggests they produce no noticeable benefit compared with placebo.



For people who are depressed, this board-certified psychiatrist recommends that they do not tell their doctor.


Don't Tell Your Doctor You Are Depressed: Here's Why



154,118 views Feb 17, 2025 #MentalHealth #Depression #HealthcareSystem
The mental health care system in the US is broken—and in this video, I’m explaining why you should think twice before telling your doctor you’re depressed. As a board-certified psychiatrist, I’ve seen first-hand how doctors often treat symptoms instead of investigating root causes like diet, trauma, or underlying health conditions.

In this no-holds-barred critique, I’ll expose the flaws in the system: quick prescriptions, pharma influence, and the lack of focus on real solutions. Instead of masking symptoms with medications, we need to address the real issues causing emotional pain—through diet, therapy, and functional medicine.

If you’re tired of being let down by mainstream mental health care, this video will give you the tools to take charge of your mental well-being.

Let’s fix mental health care together.

If you or someone you know has a mental illness, is struggling emotionally, or has concerns about their mental health, there are ways to get help. Call or text 988 or chat 988lifeline.org

Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
07:18 Understanding the System's Failures
14:45 The Consequences of Misdiagnosis
17:35 Alternative Approaches to Mental Health
21:15 A Call for Systemic Change
 
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