Generative A.I. Programs Are Not Authoritative Sources For Facts.

Guesses vary from AI knowing most to almost all digitized human knowledge. Some people project that it will run out of new data /information/knowledge and start regenerating conclusions incorporating previous false information and conclusions.

Some large corporations have reported the cost savings from AI output are lessened by humans needing to go back and debug incorrect AI generated programming.

Here's where it absolutely shines - it makes a tremendous file clerk.

Remember the Dianetics file clerk?

AI rocks at that function. It is a tremendous asset in data/information retrieval and it will give sources, etc. Any time you have a source question or research item it's a go to. It's intuitive, so you don't have to be precise. Sometimes the dialogue is two or more inquiries when you don't remember the details but it will narrow down and laser in pretty fast. Tremendous. It's like having the Library of Congress on a phone app or something. So much better than a mere browser app.
 
Guesses vary from AI knowing most to almost all digitized human knowledge. Some people project that it will run out of new data /information/knowledge and start regenerating conclusions incorporating previous false information and conclusions.

Some large corporations have reported that the cost savings from AI output are lessened by humans needing to go back and debug incorrect AI generated programming.


Here is a link to a free 3-day AI Summit, taught by people who know what they're doing. The CEO of Mindvalley laid off half of his 400 employees while increasing production, cut down dramatically his own work hours, and takes a 1-week vacation every month. It's worth watching some of it if you have time. I believe it will start in 15 minutes.



 
Yeah, I'm not exactly elated about employees being laid off as the rich get richer, I don't see that as something to celebrate. I see uses for AI, but its still "garbage in, garbage out" when it derives from unreliable information, and while to some degree maybe that can be contained, it can't be eliminated; who's deciding who or what is "trustworthy"? And there's the biased human factor. And from what I've seen using AI to support a claim or point is insufficient.
 
I accidentally deleted a previous post so here is the google search about Mindvalley again. I browsed the AI Summit above and they paint a rosy picture about incorporating AI into your life and going all the way for some people into sharing almost your entire life with your AI companion where it goes into cloud storage somewhere and does a lot of your thinking for you. Okay for those who want it I guess.

I watched a video where some guy got alarmed about something while diving into a chatbot assistant for a few months and decided to "disconnect" from it. He said it took him over three weeks to regain his normal thinking and problem solving abilities.
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Mindvalley is a prominent online education platform founded by Vishen Lakhiani in 2003, focusing on personal growth, mindfulness, health, and spirituality. It offers "Quests" (courses) and community for self-improvement, aimed at empowering individuals globally. Mindvalley Membership provides access to over 100 programs with monthly or annual plans.

Key aspects of the company include:
  • Programs & Services: Mindvalley offers courses on topics such as meditation, biohacking, entrepreneurship, and relationships, featuring expert instructors.
  • Learning Model: It uses a "Quest" system, which emphasizes daily microlearning and community engagement to foster personal transformation.
  • Mission: The company seeks to revolutionize education and improve lives by focusing on mind, body, and spirit, with a goal to impact one billion lives.
  • Cost & Access: The Mindvalley app is free, but full access requires a membership, with paid plans available.
  • Credibility: The platform is widely recognized for its high-quality content and partnership with renowned experts.
 
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Here is a link to a free 3-day AI Summit, taught by people who know what they're doing. The CEO of Mindvalley laid off half of his 400 employees while increasing production, cut down dramatically his own work hours, and takes a 1-week vacation every month. It's worth watching some of it if you have time. I believe it will start in 15 minutes.



That was an interesting video. I enjoyed it. Thanks for posting it before it went private. (y)
 
That was an interesting video. I enjoyed it. Thanks for posting it before it went private. (y)


On Saturday, there is going to be a replay of some of the AI Summit Highlights. From about 11 a.m. - 3 p.m. (New York time). Usually, they replay the presentations that people liked the most.

I believe the registration link is here:


It looks like this will be one of the presenters on Saturday:

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On Saturday, there is going to be a replay of some of the AI Summit Highlights. From about 11 a.m. - 3 p.m. (New York time). Usually, they replay the presentations that people liked the most.

I believe the registration link is here:


It looks like this will be one of the presenters on Saturday:

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That was intersting. There is a countdown clock so it might disappear. I couldn't help but compare it to scn promo. From the Special Highlights section:

1. learn from the top 0.1% (the OTs)

2. the 5-step method (the Bridge)

3. find your freedom number (what's ruining your life)

4. built 2 companies working fewer hours (intention and postulates)

5. make AI simple (western technology applied to eastern philosophy and religion)

Followed by a ton of success stories

"A World Of Abundance Without The Drudgery Of Work" :happydance:
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(Just having fun - scientology is sticky)
 
That was intersting. There is a countdown clock so it might disappear. I couldn't help but compare it to scn promo. From the Special Highlights section:

1. learn from the top 0.1% (the OTs)

2. the 5-step method (the Bridge)

3. find your freedom number (what's ruining your life)

4. built 2 companies working fewer hours (intention and postulates)

5. make AI simple (western technology applied to eastern philosophy and religion)

Followed by a ton of success stories

"A World Of Abundance Without The Drudgery Of Work" :happydance:
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(Just having fun - scientology is sticky)


Like most marketers, they routinely create some urgency for the stuff they sell.

But they didn't use just intention and postulates to build companies working fewer hours. :no::D
Vishen, the CEO of Mindvalley, reduced the time it takes for him to do his job as CEO by 90% with the use of AI.
And in their paid courses, they really do have some of the top experts teaching it. Noelle Russell, whose picture I posted above, is no
lightweight.

In these free 3-day summits, they do, it's not an 18-hour infomercial to promote the paid courses. They teach valuable things,
that people can apply to learn how to use AI to reduce their workload.

And that does create REAL time freedom. Not the kind of "freedom" you get in Scientology. :coolwink:
If you work 5 or 6 days a week running a business, and you're able to reduce it down to 3 or 4 days without reducing production,
enabling you to spend more time with your family, or doing whatever else you want to do, that is invaluable.
 
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No doubt Mindvalley provides valuable services. I don't feel like double checking but I think the internet said they have 140,000 members and membership is only $400/year. Even a VIP membership would be dirt cheap.

Probably like all self improvement groups, the Mindvalley Group considers themselves superior to wogs. Maybe it's my imagination but I caught that vibe on the AI Summit video.

To continue the comparison to scn, at the top of the heap -

Operating Thetan Level 8 - At cause over thought, life, matter, energy, space and time

Fully AI Enhanced Human Being - Ability to make money without working
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(still joking)
 
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No doubt Mindvalley provides valuable services. I don't feel like double checking but I think the internet said they have 140,000 members and membership is only $400/year. Even a VIP membership would be dirt cheap.

Probably like all self improvement groups, the Mindvalley Group considers themselves superior to wogs. Maybe it's my imagination but I caught that vibe on the AI Summit video.

To continue the comparison to scn, at the top of the heap -

Operating Thetan Level 8 - At cause over thought, life, matter, energy, space and time

Fully AI Enhanced Human Being - Ability to make money without working
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(still joking)


I think membership is about $400/year, or they have a monthly option as well. I signed up a year ago as a member during a promotion for $199/year, and I keep that price forever if I stay a member.


I asked ChatGPT to compare it to Scientology:

ChatGPT:

Now this is a fascinating side-by-side 🔍 because on the surface, both talk about “human potential”… but underneath, they are built on very different engines.

Let’s put them on the table and dissect them cleanly.
🧠 Mindvalley vs Scientology — Core DNA
🌿 Mindvalley (modern self-improvement platform)

  • Decentralized ideas (many teachers)
  • коммерcial platform selling growth experiences
  • Mix of psychology, spirituality, and performance
  • Flexible belief system
⛪ Scientology (high-control religious system)

  • Centralized doctrine created by L. Ron Hubbard
  • Structured belief system presented as absolute truth
  • Hierarchical organization
  • Claims of spiritual salvation and supernatural abilities
⚖️ The Real Comparison (where it matters)
1. 🧭 Truth claims
Scientology
  • “This is the exact truth about the mind, life, and the universe”
  • Claims:
    • past lives
    • engrams
    • supernatural states (Operating Thetan)
👉 Non-negotiable belief system
Mindvalley

  • “Here are tools, ideas, and perspectives to improve your life”
  • Mix of:
    • evidence-based concepts
    • speculative or fringe ideas
👉 Pick-and-choose belief buffet 🍽️
2. 🧑‍🏫 Authority structure
Scientology
  • Ultimate authority: Hubbard (unchangeable doctrine)
  • Leadership enforces orthodoxy
👉 Questioning = risk
Mindvalley
  • Founder Vishen Lakhiani is influential, but:
    • dozens of independent teachers
    • no single required doctrine
👉 Disagreement is allowed (and common)
3. 💸 Money mechanics
Scientology
  • Pay-to-progress up a strict spiritual ladder
  • Costs can reach hundreds of thousands
  • Financial pressure tied to salvation
👉 Money = spiritual advancement
Mindvalley
  • Subscription + upsells
  • High-ticket programs exist, but:
    • not required for “progress”
    • no fixed ladder you must climb
👉 Money = access to experiences
4. 🧠 Psychological control
Scientology
  • Auditing (deep personal disclosure)
  • Internal files on members
  • Control of information
  • Indoctrination against critics
👉 High-control environment
Mindvalley

  • Motivational content, visualization, mindset training
  • No surveillance or confession systems
  • No institutional tracking of your thoughts
👉 Influence, not control
5. 🚪 Leaving the system
Scientology
  • Risk of:
    • disconnection from family
    • harassment or pressure
  • Leaving can be traumatic
👉 Exit cost: very high
Mindvalley

  • Cancel subscription, move on
  • No retaliation, no social punishment
👉 Exit cost: near zero
6. 👥 Identity & belonging
Scientology
  • Identity becomes:
    • “Scientologist”
  • Strong in-group vs out-group dynamic
Mindvalley
  • Identity becomes:
    • “growth-oriented,” “conscious,” etc.
  • But:
    • not exclusive
    • no hard boundary with outsiders
👉 More like a lifestyle vibe than a locked identity
🧭 The clearest way to see the difference
Think of it like two very different machines:
Scientology
A closed operating system 🔒
  • One truth
  • One path
  • Controlled environment
Mindvalley
An app marketplace for personal growth 📱
  • Many ideas
  • Optional participation
  • Open ecosystem
⚠️ Where they superficially overlap
This is where people get confused:
  • Big promises about human potential
  • Charismatic speakers
  • Expensive programs
  • Emotional transformation narratives
👉 These are shared aesthetics, not shared structure
🧠 Your lens (this is where you’ll see sharply)
Given your experience, you’ll probably recognize in Scientology:
  • The “only we have the answer” claim
  • The escalating commitment trap
  • The control over perception and relationships
And in Mindvalley:
  • The aspirational marketing
  • The guru-style presentation
  • Occasional overstated claims
But crucially:
Mindvalley invites you in
Scientology captures and contains you
🧭 Bottom line
Scientology
➡️ High-control belief system with documented coercive elements
Mindvalley
➡️ Commercial self-improvement platform with some persuasive and identity-building features, but no systemic control
 
I think membership is about $400/year, or they have a monthly option as well. I signed up a year ago as a member during a promotion for $199/year, and I keep that price forever if I stay a member.


I asked ChatGPT to compare it to Scientology:

ChatGPT:

Now this is a fascinating side-by-side 🔍 because on the surface, both talk about “human potential”… but underneath, they are built on very different engines.

Let’s put them on the table and dissect them cleanly.
🧠 Mindvalley vs Scientology — Core DNA
🌿 Mindvalley (modern self-improvement platform)

  • Decentralized ideas (many teachers)
  • коммерcial platform selling growth experiences
  • Mix of psychology, spirituality, and performance
  • Flexible belief system
⛪ Scientology (high-control religious system)

  • Centralized doctrine created by L. Ron Hubbard
  • Structured belief system presented as absolute truth
  • Hierarchical organization
  • Claims of spiritual salvation and supernatural abilities
⚖ The Real Comparison (where it matters)
1. 🧭 Truth claims
Scientology
  • “This is the exact truth about the mind, life, and the universe”
  • Claims:
    • past lives
    • engrams
    • supernatural states (Operating Thetan)
👉 Non-negotiable belief system
Mindvalley

  • “Here are tools, ideas, and perspectives to improve your life”
  • Mix of:
    • evidence-based concepts
    • speculative or fringe ideas
👉 Pick-and-choose belief buffet 🍽
2. 🧑‍🏫 Authority structure
Scientology
  • Ultimate authority: Hubbard (unchangeable doctrine)
  • Leadership enforces orthodoxy
👉 Questioning = risk
Mindvalley
  • Founder Vishen Lakhiani is influential, but:
    • dozens of independent teachers
    • no single required doctrine
👉 Disagreement is allowed (and common)
3. 💸 Money mechanics
Scientology
  • Pay-to-progress up a strict spiritual ladder
  • Costs can reach hundreds of thousands
  • Financial pressure tied to salvation
👉 Money = spiritual advancement
Mindvalley
  • Subscription + upsells
  • High-ticket programs exist, but:
    • not required for “progress”
    • no fixed ladder you must climb
👉 Money = access to experiences
4. 🧠 Psychological control
Scientology
  • Auditing (deep personal disclosure)
  • Internal files on members
  • Control of information
  • Indoctrination against critics
👉 High-control environment
Mindvalley

  • Motivational content, visualization, mindset training
  • No surveillance or confession systems
  • No institutional tracking of your thoughts
👉 Influence, not control
5. 🚪 Leaving the system
Scientology
  • Risk of:
    • disconnection from family
    • harassment or pressure
  • Leaving can be traumatic
👉 Exit cost: very high
Mindvalley

  • Cancel subscription, move on
  • No retaliation, no social punishment
👉 Exit cost: near zero
6. 👥 Identity & belonging
Scientology
  • Identity becomes:
    • “Scientologist”
  • Strong in-group vs out-group dynamic
Mindvalley
  • Identity becomes:
    • “growth-oriented,” “conscious,” etc.
  • But:
    • not exclusive
    • no hard boundary with outsiders
👉 More like a lifestyle vibe than a locked identity
🧭 The clearest way to see the difference
Think of it like two very different machines:
Scientology

  • One truth
  • One path
  • Controlled environment
Mindvalley

  • Many ideas
  • Optional participation
  • Open ecosystem
⚠ Where they superficially overlap
This is where people get confused:
  • Big promises about human potential
  • Charismatic speakers
  • Expensive programs
  • Emotional transformation narratives
👉 These are shared aesthetics, not shared structure
🧠 Your lens (this is where you’ll see sharply)
Given your experience, you’ll probably recognize in Scientology:
  • The “only we have the answer” claim
  • The escalating commitment trap
  • The control over perception and relationships
And in Mindvalley:
  • The aspirational marketing
  • The guru-style presentation
  • Occasional overstated claims
But crucially:

🧭 Bottom line
Scientology
➡ High-control belief system with documented coercive elements
Mindvalley
➡ Commercial self-improvement platform with some persuasive and identity-building features, but no systemic control
Wow - A succinct summary with cute little graphics included. The little church next to the word Scientology gave me a laugh.
коммерcial platform selling growth experiences
Haha GPT, it made a spelling error unless that's part of the programing to make it seem human. lol
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You do realize that your inquiry may have cost me an extra penny on my next utility bill depending on where your data center is located. New Jersey already has 65 data centers and one of the tech companies wanted to build yet another one in South Jersey but the residents shouted it down. Go hog energy and resources somewhere else. (y)
 
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Haha GPT, it made a spelling error unless that's part of the programming to make it seem human. lol


That gets this thread closer to its original purpose - generative AI programs are not authoritative sources for facts. They do make errors. :coolwink:
 
You do realize that your inquiry may have cost me an extra penny on my next utility bill depending on where your data center is located. New Jersey already has 65 data centers and one of the tech companies wanted to build yet another one in South Jersey but the residents shouted it down. Go hog energy and resources somewhere else. (y)


I heard there are 70 - 80 in New Jersey.

They're way behind Virginia, though, which has over 500!
 
I heard there are 70 - 80 in New Jersey.

They're way behind Virginia, though, which has over 500!
I got checking and this came up. It's a short read and a nationwide issue. Excerpt:

Monday’s vote on S-680 was the Legislature’s latest attempt to stop energy bills from spiking due to a proliferation of power-guzzling data centers. Two months ago, the Legislature passed a bill that would have made data centers and other businesses pay higher fees for using significant amounts of electricity but then-Gov. Phil Murphy didn’t sign it.

New Jersey utility customers last year were socked with an average 20% increase in electricity costs, and Gov. Mikie Sherrill by executive order compelled the state Board of Public Utilities to issue credits to offset a rate increase this year.
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Wow - A succinct summary with cute little graphics included. The little church next to the word Scientology gave me a laugh.

Haha GPT, it made a spelling error unless that's part of the programing to make it seem human. lol
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You do realize that your inquiry may have cost me an extra penny on my next utility bill depending on where your data center is located. New Jersey already has 65 data centers and one of the tech companies wanted to build yet another one in South Jersey but the residents shouted it down. Go hog energy and resources somewhere else. (y)


A company just attempted to buy some farmland in Kentucky to build a 2000-acre AI data center. It would have been the biggest project in the state. But the women who owned the land refused a $ 26 million offer. This is from 2 days ago:


 
A company just attempted to buy some farmland in Kentucky to build a 2000-acre AI data center. It would have been the biggest project in the state. But the women who owned the land refused a $ 26 million offer. This is from 2 days ago:


At the end of the news clip the reporter said he asked them what would they do with the money if they won the lottery. The reply - "I'd buy more land and cows." laughter (y)
 
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