Forgiveness: An alien concept in Scientology that is key to putting it behind you Tony Ortega Jan 12, 2025

[Karen#1]

Valerie Ross really moved us with this new update on her journey after Scientology…



Over Christmas, Alex Barnes-Ross and I did a little back and forth spreading the cheer. As seems to be the case with most conversations with Alex, his empathy astounds me. Having been a Scientologist himself, he understands the brain-shrapnel involved in leaving.

In the last livestream we did, he was able to take me deeper in my feelings than any other one I’ve done so far. At one point, we discussed my ex mother-in-law and a comment she had made regarding her son beating me. The comment was, “Well, she must have done something to deserve it.”

As a refresher, this was what I wrote in the relevant portion of my story Tony published April 22. The day before, I had gone with Heber Jentzsch to the protest regarding the 1977 FBI raid. By this time, my daughter was three months old. Then this happened:

The next day Mark’s sister and I went shopping for the next celebrity event at the Shrine. While we were out I told her I was pregnant again. She asked if I wanted to be. I said “does it matter?”
We came back to the apartment to find Mark in bed with a girl around his sister’s age. He went ballistic. Of course it was our fault for coming back and finding him committing statutory rape. The girl grabbed her clothes and ran out, his sister grabbed the baby and barricaded herself in a bedroom to call the police and I was left there with him.
The floor was covered in blood and I was unconscious by the time the cops arrived. This time I was admitted because I was miscarrying and hemorrhaging, and all of my fingers on my right hand and my right wrist were broken. I actually got pain meds while I was in the hospital, despite my GO handler stating “if she was conscious she would tell you not to give her those.” I heard that, but did not let on that I did as my care provider protected me.
Mark’s sister told her mother what had happened. She told me a few days later what her mother’s response was. His mother responded, “Well, she must have done something to deserve it.”
My GO handler checked me out of the hospital as soon as they got the hemorrhaging under control, once again with no pain meds, and a promise (a lie) that I would get follow-up care. I had a cast that a guy at the Bellevue Mission cut off with a hacksaw a few weeks later. That was the extent of my follow-up care. No police report was filed, but I was in ethics trouble again. This time, I was considered a liability to the organization because my husband kept getting me hospitalized and that was bad PR for Scientology. It was decided that we should move on.
Heber brought my ethics and pc files over and we burned them in the hibachi on the balcony. That’s how they destroyed evidence back then. This has worked out well for me because Scientology only has trace records of me in their files. They have my clear number but don’t have evidence that I was in the Sea Org, although I have ex-students and ex-co-workers who know I was there.
Their secrecy works both ways. They destroyed their blackmail files on me years ago in their attempt to conceal just how huge Snow White was. The government really didn’t arrest the majority of the players, but they did shut down the operation. And, Scientology pretended to dismantle their spy ring too. That was when we were sent “on extended mission.” I was still unofficially GO, but the GO was in tatters, so I’m not sure it mattered.
I was only one of the people in the organization who were let go at that time. I was given $2,500 in what I considered hush money, though no one came right out and said that. I understood that I was still at their beck and call if needed, but no longer would I receive a weekly paycheck. Basically I got just under a years’ pay to get out of their sight.”

Obviously, the entire event had an adverse effect on me, both mentally and physically. But that comment from Mark’s mother buried itself in my heart. For more than 40 years, I’ve carried a deep resentment for her because of those words. At about 19:11 in the livestream, we begin the discussion. The entire thing lasts about a minute.

Alex’s response to that comment was “that’s disgusting.” He then pointed out that she was a Scientologist when she said it. As a Scientologist, it was what she was programmed to say. Especially since she was auditing on OT VII when she said it.

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[Hatshepsut]

In the last livestream we did, he was able to take me deeper in my feelings than any other one I’ve done so far. At one point, we discussed my ex mother-in-law and a comment she had made regarding her son beating me. The comment was, “Well, she must have done something to deserve it.”

I was just thinking about the tendency to self-blame today, and how bad it was within Scientology.

I remember how FSO de-PTSing in the case cracker unit, assessed for all family and prior 2D terminals. But, WHO was allowed to blame anybody but yourself while holding those cans. What a waste of auditing and time when you're already browbeaten that nobody else can cause you any misery.

You can be sitting in a shitstorm from flashbacks of abuse, but even thinking about 'telling' would be met by your own thought stoppers.

You believe if you didn't do something to pull it in, it wouldn't be caving yourself in.

If you blame somebody of anything you must have a similar crime yourself.

You are just being a victim because you have overs

You must have similar crimes on the track....somewhere......and you start to imagine them.

Any realization you have experienced a negative effect due to an outside cause must be meet with a security check. The fully indoctrinated will never be able to give a correct Who when meeting up with a truly malicious reincarnated soul in Scientology. Yet Ron was allowed to look for evil intentions which reincarnated under every rock in his organization.

I used to marvel at the David Mayo tech film depicting a female celebrity who recovered her talent after running out an occluded incident of a family friend, a psyche doctor, molesting her when young. She started to rollercoaster following a family gathering where he appeared. This was from The Secret of Flag Results, and I remember thinking.....and she wasn't sec checked for why she pulled this influence back in? And she wasn't sec checked for when she did something like this to another.

 

[Helena Handbasket]

I don't do forgiveness. I don't do gratitude, either.

Helena

 

[Enthetan]

I do forgiveness for mistakes and screwups. For actual evil, nah.

Since most people screw up occasionally, if you don’t forgive, you run out of friends.

I also do gratitude. If someone does good to me, then he has the right to expect me to do good in return when the opportunity arises.