First 5,000 OT VIII’s

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OK, so they have not been able to get 10,000 onto or through Solo NOTs in 40 years, so they have come up with a new plan.


Half as many through OT VIII.


The 10,000 is derived from some obscure Hubbard statement about 10,000 people being able to control the destiny of earth. Here is how Clive Rabey put it back in 2014:

ORIGIN OF THE 10,000 TARGET

This campaign was primarily based on the following LRH quote:

“At any one time on Earth there were not more than about 10,000 people of a caliber that was sufficient to do a little steering or leading. There’s only about 10,000 of them, really.” – LRH, How to Talk to Friends About Scientology, lecture of 18 December 1952

If 10,000 non-Scientologists could do a little steering or leading then 10,000 OTs would be able to do a heck of a lot of steering or leading! This is already being demonstrated in almost all Scientology activities where OTs lead the way and are the backbone of expansion activities, plus in A.B.L.E., W.I.S.E., S.M.I. and as Class V Org staff.

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First 5,000 OT VIII’s

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Jeez, now it's only 5000 to clear the planet?
I wonder what the hell happened to 10,000!

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Wait, I just figured out the answer
to why the 10,000 goal was cut in half!

CLUE: It has something to do with the cult's
tech and results always being half-assed.


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Karen#1 said:
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OK, so they have not been able to get 10,000 onto or through Solo NOTs in 40 years, so they have come up with a new plan.


Half as many through OT VIII.


The 10,000 is derived from some obscure Hubbard statement about 10,000 people being able to control the destiny of earth. Here is how Clive Rabey put it back in 2014:

ORIGIN OF THE 10,000 TARGET

This campaign was primarily based on the following LRH quote:

“At any one time on Earth there were not more than about 10,000 people of a caliber that was sufficient to do a little steering or leading. There’s only about 10,000 of them, really.” – LRH, How to Talk to Friends About Scientology, lecture of 18 December 1952

If 10,000 non-Scientologists could do a little steering or leading then 10,000 OTs would be able to do a heck of a lot of steering or leading! This is already being demonstrated in almost all Scientology activities where OTs lead the way and are the backbone of expansion activities, plus in A.B.L.E., W.I.S.E., S.M.I. and as Class V Org staff.

See more ~~

First 5,000 OT VIII’s

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Steering and leading over the cliff.
 
Karen#1 said:
Excerpt :
OK, so they have not been able to get 10,000 onto or through Solo NOTs in 40 years, so they have come up with a new plan.


Half as many through OT VIII.


The 10,000 is derived from some obscure Hubbard statement about 10,000 people being able to control the destiny of earth. Here is how Clive Rabey put it back in 2014:

ORIGIN OF THE 10,000 TARGET

This campaign was primarily based on the following LRH quote:

“At any one time on Earth there were not more than about 10,000 people of a caliber that was sufficient to do a little steering or leading. There’s only about 10,000 of them, really.” – LRH, How to Talk to Friends About Scientology, lecture of 18 December 1952

If 10,000 non-Scientologists could do a little steering or leading then 10,000 OTs would be able to do a heck of a lot of steering or leading! This is already being demonstrated in almost all Scientology activities where OTs lead the way and are the backbone of expansion activities, plus in A.B.L.E., W.I.S.E., S.M.I. and as Class V Org staff.

See more ~~

First 5,000 OT VIII’s

www.mikerindersblog.org www.mikerindersblog.org
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Jeepers, being married to a OT8 and she wants nothing to do with it says a lot.

It's all rhetoric, the art of persuasion. For good or bullshit. Let logos, or logic rule your emotions, not pathos or ethos.

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And most certainly don't let the "crowd" or group agreement get to you. Just because everybody is doing it, doesn't mean you have to, you have to use logos.

 
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Who needs these half-assed measures?

Fresno needs to go St.Hill size! Now that's a job for a real big being.
 
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Chuck J. said:
Lower standards! That's the ticket!
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LOL!

I suspect if we ask a Scientologist, they will not agree that reducing the target from 10,000 down to 5,000 is "lower standards". I think we can expect them to answer by using the "GRADIENTS" in a sentence.

Roll Scientology tape fast forward, so we can see how their promo looks in the future---when senior management keeps failing and lowering the bar from 10,000 to 5,000 and then:

"WE ONLY NEED 500 OT VIII's TO SALVAGE THIS SECTOR
AND ONLY 50 OT VIII's TO CLEAR THIS PLANET!"

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Karakorum said:
Who needs these half-assed measures?

Fresno needs to go St.Hill size! Now that's a job for a real big being.
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What happened? You are suddenly now un-blocking my posts and reading them? It appears you really liked the joke I made about "half-assed". LOL. What happened to your loud public declarations that HelluvaHoax! is a horrible and evil troll?

I also noticed that a few minutes ago you suddenly made your first appearance on the TOP 100 SUPER-STUPID MOMENTS IN SCIENTOLOGY thread. It's weird that you think I am an evil troll and you announced multiple times that you put me on permanent "IGNORE"---yet now you suddenly really dig the Stupid Thread that I have curated for 10 years? LOL

You should be careful, because the last person that made non-stop public declarations against Helluvahoax! who then suddenly and inexplicably appeared on the STUPID THREAD to stir shit up (i.e. Alanzo the terror troll) ended up being banned.

HELPFUL TIP: Passive aggressives don't survive on a Joking & Degrading thread where people are having fun and laughs. Good luck!

:hattip:

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HelluvaHoax! said:
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LOL!

I suspect if we ask a Scientologist, they will not agree that reducing the target from 10,000 down to 5,000 is "lower standards". I think we can expect them to answer by using the "GRADIENTS" in a sentence.

Roll Scientology tape fast forward, so we can see how their promo looks in the future. . .

"WE ONLY NEED 500 OT VIII's TO BOTH
CLEAR THE PLANET & SALVAGE THIS SECTOR!"

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Of course $cientology would say that. They're the CNN of "religions." Not noted for their accuracy or truthfulness.
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....or they'd say something like 5,000 OT's but they have to be REAL OT's.

And who decides if they're real OT's? Well, after the stunning success of COB's NEW Admin Series we now have COB's latest Super Modern Are You A Real OT Rundown!

Look out, MEST Universe!
 
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Chuck J. said:
Of course $cientology would say that. They're the CNN of "religions." Not noted for their accuracy or truthfulness.....or they'd say something like 5,000 OT's but they have to be REAL OT's.
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Exactly! LOL.

There are so many scenarios like that, where the cult "alter-ises" (lies about) the precise meanings and exact definitions of words.

example:
BEFORE: "We promise to release (name of magical upper OT level) when all orgs have gone the size of Old St. Hill."
AFTER: "Oh that's amazing that all orgs have gone the size of Old St. Hill, but of course what we really meant was when they all have to become Ideal Orgs. Then, no problem we promise to release (name of magical upper OT level).

example:
BEFORE: "When you go Clear you will have perfect memory, never get sick and always be happy!"
AFTER: "Wow, congratulations on going Clear! Of course your memory is bad, you're chronically ill and always depressed. Obviously that's because you are only Clear on the 1st dynamic. When you are OT VIII then you'll be a real Clear!"

example:
"Wow, congratulations on going OT VIII! Of course you didn't get any of the magical super-powers yet. Obviously that's because you are only OT on the 1st dynamic. In order to become a real OT VIII you have to first do OT XV. But we can't release that level until we first have produced 5000 OTs who have magical super-powers..."

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Real-life outcomes from the top of the bridge?

The "next level" phenomenon
I know of a still-active FSM and public speaker. Both he and his wife are OT8, Class 8, all Ls,
experienced in the chair, fifty-year veterans. They've inherited big family money and live in
a beautiful somewhat exclusive area, so day-to-day financial pressures don't seem like
an issue. He's still doing the traveling "major FSM shtick" and she's at home being really
depressed from what he's privately revealed. Every day. He's hoping that the upper OT
levels (9&10) will finally handle her. The "whatever" it is. That's what he's pinning all his
hopes on to resolve his situation at home. The "next level" phenomenon, so called.

He obviously didn't get the memo that the upper OT levels don't exist. Believer to the end.

Here's another vivid example:

Kevin Bloody Mackey | January 19, 2013 at 3:02 am [posted on Marty's blog]​
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Really? For many years a lofty state of “Operating thetan” was alluded to in the CofS. Promo was sent out depicting a being exterior in space, references were made to remote viewing, x-ray vision, telekinesis and abilities that we’d had trillenia ago that were now lost. The state was described in great detail in many of LRH’s tapes. The bridge itself showed seven levels above OTVIII ending in “Power on all Dynamics” and “Total Freedom”. In the “Clear to Eternity” HCOB LRH told of the long haul above the ‘pre OT’ levels on the final band of case gain. I myself had my eye firmly on the ‘mountain’ for my 26 years in the Corporate Church of the Holy Ponzi Scheme. It kept me going for 15 years on the squirrel wheel to insanity called Solo Nots. When my wife attested before me and slumped into depression. I hoped for many levels above VIII as I knew OT VIII didn’t address her difficulties or the ones I was facing.​
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I have difficulty reconciling my personal experience with your post Marty. Obviously you were privy to more information than me, but Jeez, I wish I’d known that when I was doing ‘baby watch’ on type three OTs.​
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I’d have thrown in the towel years ago. It really hurts to hear that there was nothing above OTVIII, even within anyone’s delusions.​

Happens more than people know. Probably to everyone eventually. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I thought OT 9 and 10 were to be released when all Orgs attain old Saint Hill size.....??!!

Wasn't that the promo for years and years?

I guess it all makes sense.....no Saint Hill sized Orgs...and no OT 9 and 10 either....
 
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ILove2Lurk said:
He's prepping to take over the thread, if and when you retire. Currently watching and mentoring. :LOL: Don't cha think?
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LOL!

ANSWER: I'm not sure, let's ask Master Po.

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"When you can take the pebble from my hand,
it will be time for you to leave. . ."
"When you can make a punchline on my thread,
it will be time for you to lead. . ."

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Chuck J. said:
Master Po was a Cleared Theta Clear, at least.
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Damn! That's impressive! Because Dr. Hubbard's scientific research discovered that "Jesus was just a shade above Clear".

My own wholetrack research confirmed that datum.

In fact, Jesus actually bogged on OT I, hence "only a shade above Clear". He never attested to OT I, mainly because the auditing processes require that the Pre-OT run commands (e.g. "Count how many bodies there are in the train station, bus station or airport") which were impossible to run 2000 years ago. Helllloooooo!

:hattip:

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ILove2Lurk said:
Real-life outcomes from the top of the bridge?

The "next level" phenomenon
I know of a still-active FSM and public speaker. Both he and his wife are OT8, Class 8, all Ls,
experienced in the chair, fifty-year veterans. They've inherited big family money and live in
a beautiful somewhat exclusive area, so day-to-day financial pressures don't seem like
an issue. He's still doing the traveling "major FSM shtick" and she's at home being really
depressed from what he's privately revealed. Every day. He's hoping that the upper OT
levels (9&10) will finally handle her. The "whatever" it is. That's what he's pinning all his
hopes on to resolve his situation at home. The "next level" phenomenon, so called.

He obviously didn't get the memo that the upper OT levels don't exist. Believer to the end.

Here's another vivid example:

Kevin Bloody Mackey | January 19, 2013 at 3:02 am [posted on Marty's blog]​
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Really? For many years a lofty state of “Operating thetan” was alluded to in the CofS. Promo was sent out depicting a being exterior in space, references were made to remote viewing, x-ray vision, telekinesis and abilities that we’d had trillenia ago that were now lost. The state was described in great detail in many of LRH’s tapes. The bridge itself showed seven levels above OTVIII ending in “Power on all Dynamics” and “Total Freedom”. In the “Clear to Eternity” HCOB LRH told of the long haul above the ‘pre OT’ levels on the final band of case gain. I myself had my eye firmly on the ‘mountain’ for my 26 years in the Corporate Church of the Holy Ponzi Scheme. It kept me going for 15 years on the squirrel wheel to insanity called Solo Nots. When my wife attested before me and slumped into depression. I hoped for many levels above VIII as I knew OT VIII didn’t address her difficulties or the ones I was facing.​
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I have difficulty reconciling my personal experience with your post Marty. Obviously you were privy to more information than me, but Jeez, I wish I’d known that when I was doing ‘baby watch’ on type three OTs.​
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I’d have thrown in the towel years ago. It really hurts to hear that there was nothing above OTVIII, even within anyone’s delusions.​

Happens more than people know. Probably to everyone eventually. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Outstanding post! It's densely packed with critical mass type material that (by now in 2021) should blow virtually everyone who reads the internet off of any notion to "try" Scientology.

About that OT who is depressed daily and their "power FSM" spouse traveling around promoting the miracles of OT. That is one of the most stunning examples of Cognitive Dissonance I have ever encountered.

What happens if that power FSM is disseminating to someone after one of his stirring lectures, who is showing some interest to find out more about Scientology's Bridge?

POWER FSM
I'm so super-pleased that you had win's on my lecture
about Scientology---and that you now feel curiosity and
reach to embark on the greatest adventure on this planet
or in the entire universe, the Bridge to Total Freedom!!!

CURIOUS NEWBIE
Wow, cool! But I'm still not sure about those lavishly
expensive auditing prices. 500 dollars an hour?
Six hundred thousand dollars to go OT? Seriously?

POWER FSM
Never mind that. What is your ruin?

CURIOUS NEWBIE
Well, I am morbidly depressed every day. Can
Scientology handle that?

POWER FSM
(com lagging, thinking about his wife who has
been morbidly depressed for the past 20 years)
Um. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .100%! Absolutely!
Scientology can totally handle that easily---as long as
you pay for and do your next level you'll be happy, I promise!
(justifying in his mind---"Well if this guy pays $600K and I
use the FSM commission to help my wife do her next level,
she'll start to feel happy. So what if her next step is not on
Hubbard's crappy ineffective Bridge-- but instead just a
new kitchen. I think that's bound to make her happy!")

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HelluvaHoax! said:
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Damn! That's impressive! Because Dr. Hubbard's scientific research discovered that "Jesus was just a shade above Clear".

My own wholetrack research confirmed that datum.

In fact, Jesus actually bogged on OT I, hence "only a shade above Clear". He never attested to OT I, mainly because the auditing processes require that the Pre-OT run commands (e.g. "Count how many bodies there are in the train station, bus station or airport") which were impossible to run 2000 years ago. Helllloooooo!

:hattip:

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I believe Buddha sat under a tree for several weeks to attain enlightenment.

We did the OT TR0 forever under Hubbard's TR's. LOL To attain enlightenment.

Training routines (Scientology) - Wikipedia

What was that book Hubbard wrote am I Buddha, oh yes, it was Hymn of Asia. Gotta love Hubbard's rhetoric, promoting hisself as a Buddha, returned to help mankind.

So far the dude hasn't returned from death nor do I know of anybody else who has returned from death using dianetics or scientology.

According to DM death event of Hubbard, Hubbard caused his death on purpose so that he could research upper OT levels.

Here's the rhetoric in the form of a poem.


Here's DM's rhetoric, persuasion speech, on the death of L Ron Hubbard.

 
ILove2Lurk said:
I know of a still-active FSM and public speaker. Both he and his wife are OT8, Class 8, all Ls,
experienced in the chair, fifty-year veterans. They've inherited big family money and live in
a beautiful somewhat exclusive area, so day-to-day financial pressures don't seem like
an issue. He's still doing the traveling "major FSM shtick" and she's at home being really
depressed from what he's privately revealed. Every day. He's hoping that the upper OT
levels (9&10) will finally handle her.
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Auditorial song&dance 101.

"Oh we will handle that on the next level. You are OT8? Oh you will absolutely see OT9 released. Its just that Fresno and Albuquerque need to go Saint Hill size first. That's gonna be easy, right?"



I mean Fresno is just about to go Saint Hill size!!!

... said no one ever :moodswing:
 
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