Deliberations, day two: Can frustrated jurors get it done today?

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[Vicki Podberesky and Danny Masterson]
At the end of the day yesterday, we remained behind long enough to see the jurors leave the courtroom after their first full day deliberating in the Danny Masterson trial in Los Angeles.

The look on their faces? One of frustration.

That isn’t unusual for a jury trying to come together on a unanimous verdict, and we hope they manage to work things out today and get us a decision. We’ll be in the courtroom today at 9 am, and we’ll be sending updates on Twitter and our tonyortega.org website, as well as sending out stories here at our Substack.

And now that the case is with the jury and things are a bit looser in the courtroom, guess who showed up yesterday and was gladhanding various Masterson family members?

Well, would you be surprised to hear that it was Scientology attorney Vicki Podberesky?

We’ve been asked throughout the trial if we saw any evidence of Scientology’s presence in the courtroom, and yes, we had.

Podberesky played a really interesting role at the preliminary hearing last year, and we had a feeling that she’d be keeping tabs on things during the trial as well. We saw her young colleague, attorney Dillon Malar, in the audience several times over the last few weeks.

But there was also an intriguing figure, a well dressed and tall attorney who has attended every single day of the trial, even during jury selection when there was only one seat available for the public. He arrived early enough every day so that he got that seat.

Later, as it became clear that he was taking detailed notes on a pad of paper, a couple of journalists asked him who he was. He not only refused to identify himself, when one of our colleagues asked him if he was there representing Scientology, he refused to answer the question.

The man eventually landed a minor role in a Los Angeles Times article by Noah Goldberg, who noted the speculation about him, described his tattoos, and said that it was assumed he was representing the church.

But we had a better form of confirmation when our friend Jeffrey Augustine noticed one day that the man had received a phone call. Jeffrey happened to catch a glimpse of the man’s phone, which he says clearly had the name “Vicki Podberesky” on it.

Well, that left little doubt.

But now that the case is in the can, it’s time for Vicki herself to show up, and we saw her yesterday giving hugs to Masterson family members.

Sure, there’s nothing wrong with Scientologists like the Mastersons playing chummy with an attorney who for many years has represented Scientology in court, and who, we suspect, was providing a live account of the preliminary hearing to David Miscavige.

But it was fun yesterday to see everything so out in the open.

Hearing in trafficking case today in Tampa


Oral arguments will be presented by attorneys for Scientology and for the plaintiffs suing the church today at federal court in Tampa, and we’re looking forward to coverage of it by the Tampa Bay Times.

The lawsuit was filed on April 28 by Valeska Paris and Gawain and Laura Baxter, three former Sea Org residents who live in Australia, who allege that they were forced into the Sea Org as children, suffered neglect and harsh punishments as children and adults, and served as virtual prisoners aboard the ship. Valeska also alleged that she had been sexually assaulted by other Sea Org workers, and then had been punished for speaking up about it.

Scientology responded by filing motions to compel arbitration, a strategy that has largely been a successful one for the church in recent years. The church says that Valeska and the Baxters signed contracts between 2003 and 2015 that obliged them not to sue but to take their grievances to Scientology’s internal form of arbitration. The church’s filings ignored the allegations of neglect and abuse that the lawsuit made, and argued that a contract was a contract and these former Sea Org workers can’t sue. Also, Scientology is pointing out that a 2013 lawsuit filed by two former Scientologists, Luis and Rocio Garcia, was forced into arbitration in the same Tampa courtroom, and it was upheld on appeal by the federal Eleventh Circuit. The same fate should apply to the trafficking lawsuit, Scientology asserts.

The plaintiffs responded that there was no valid arbitration agreement because the documents Scientology has presented are conflicting and were signed under duress; because they would unlawfully require the plaintiffs to give up their rights; because the plaintiffs would be forced into an “ecclesiastical” proceeding in a church they are no longer members of; and because the agreements are unconscionable.

Both sides asked for a hearing to present oral arguments before Judge Thomas Barber rules on Scientology’s motions, and that’s what is happening today. We don’t think the judge will issue a ruling today, although he may ask some questions of both sides which could be revealing.

Keep an eye out for coverage by Tracey McManus at the Tampa Bay Times.

Yesterday’s wrap-up of a whole lot of nothing
Not much happened in court yesterday, but we still managed to spew a lot of hot air about it. We released our end-of-the-day video to everyone here at Substack, but we’re linking to it here in case you haven’t seen it. And here’s also the version at our YouTube channel.


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But we had a better form of confirmation when our friend Jeffrey Augustine noticed one day that the man had received a phone call. Jeffrey happened to catch a glimpse of the man’s phone, which he says clearly had the name “Vicki Podberesky” on it.


Amateur.

Am I the only human paranoid enough to save all my phone contacts under code-names or weird abbreviations?
 
Ok, the jury wants to re-listen to some of the evidence.

To me that seems that this isn't an open-and-shut case. This isn't the Waukesha spree killer trial where everyone knows he's guilty long before the deliberations began.

The question is: Are they asking for more evidence to convince someone and prevent a hung jury? Or are they thinking baout finding him guilty on one charge, but not all?
 
The question is: Are they asking for more evidence to convince someone and prevent a hung jury? Or are they thinking baout finding him guilty on one charge, but not all?
Like I said in another thread, it may be that they think he's a violent abusive scumbag, but are hesitant to put him away for as many years as he would have gotten if he had murdered and dismembered the women. Not when people who have done far worse violence are being released onto the street.
 
Ok, the jury wants to re-listen to some of the evidence.

To me that seems that this isn't an open-and-shut case. This isn't the Waukesha spree killer trial where everyone knows he's guilty long before the deliberations began.

The question is: Are they asking for more evidence to convince someone and prevent a hung jury? Or are they thinking baout finding him guilty on one charge, but not all?


I would be shocked if he were acquitted on any of the charges. IMO, he'll either be convicted or there will be a hung jury.
 
I've only been paying peripheral attention to the trial and not
the blow-by-blow daily details. Preoccupied at the moment
with real life.

My prediction, irrespective of "cosmic justice" . . .

He walks on this one. He said, she said from 20 years ago
is gonna be hard to send somebody to the slammer for 45 years.
Someone on the jury will hang it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Heck, we can't get a group of 12 to agree to put all of the Masterson
trial comments and updates on a single master thread, instead having
to navigate around on possibly 400 different threads in the last two
years on this topic. :coolwink:
 
My prediction, irrespective of "cosmic justice" . . .

He walks on this one. He said, she said from 20 years ago
is gonna be hard to send somebody to the slammer for 45 years.
Someone on the jury will hang it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think the prosecution overcharged on this one.

If the jury has to choose between sending a guy to prison for 45-life on a bunch of he-said/she-said, versus cutting him loose, there's a good chance they will cut him loose.

If the prosecution had put in a charge of "assault and battery" (punishable by 6 months), and the jury had the option of putting him away for 6 months times 3, it would be more likely that the jurors would say among themselves, "He's definitely a scumbag, 18 months seems right" and do an immediate verdict on that.
 
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I always maintain hope that rational, well-intentioned people serving on the jury will vote to convict a serial rapist in order to provide justice to the rape victims—and incarcerate the rapist in order to protect other innocent women from being violently attacked.

At the same time, I recognize that this trial is being held in Los Angeles and would not be surprised if some jurors have "serious issues" with the facts and need to send out more questions to Judge Olmedo, such as:

- - "Besides deciding on the rape question, can we as a jury also request that Mr. Masterson's DNA be​
sent to a lab so we can be properly informed about any genetic markers he or his ancestors have that​
would partly be Native American, Black or Hispanic?"​
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- - "Are we as the jury able to convict, imprison and defund the corrupt police, prosecutors and Jane Does​
1-3 who very illegally brought these charges vs. Danny Masterson—even though Los Angeles was previously​
declared a Sanctuary City and California is a Sanctuary State?"​

At the moment, I find it a bit hard to guess whether a group of Los Angeles jurors are consistently capable of choosing good over evil. I can too easily think of times and places when a trial's outcome was itself a rape—of the justice system.

F-Lee-Bailey-OJ-Simpson-attorneys-verdict-Oct-3-1995.jpg

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Notwithstanding the inherent and unavoidable frailties of the justice system, "Hope Springs Eternal" and I hope/believe that somehow jurors may ultimately be capable of doing the right thing.


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Did it end up being a "He said, She said" due to lack of Police Investigation?

I now this has been going on for years now.....and we are at the end .....but, there are things I don't know....or haven't read about.

Such as....

Why were not Danny Masterson's posse and friends interrogated on this Date Rape Drug thing....? Were they...and did they know anything?

I just don't see Masterson operating in a vacuum with these rapes.... He must have talked to some buddies....or friends about all this.

Scientology is so focused on Drugs...... Were there any Scientology documents that mention the drugging....or the drug....FROM any of those people involved or friends with the main players....? Was this looked into at all?

And then Lisa Marie .....hot and cold. Why didn't the Prosecution drive harder to find and put on the Stand some more witnesses????

Remember.....the Church of Scientology took this "case" all the way to the Supreme Court of the US......regarding keeping this to Religious Arbitration.... So they for sure had reasons to do so....
 
If the prosecution had put in a charge of "assault and battery" (punishable by 6 months), and the jury had the option of putting him away for 6 months times 3, it would be more likely that the jurors would say among themselves, "He's definitely a scumbag, 18 months seems right" and do an immediate verdict on that.
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This is all happening in Los Angeles. Since it's the very first time Danny has been arrested for serial rape, couldn't the LA police have just issued him a warning ticket?

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This is all happening in Los Angeles. Since it's the very first time Danny has been arrested for serial rape, couldn't the LA police have just issued him a warning ticket?

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Don't laugh.

In a city where Antifa and BLM were free to burn, loot, and assault with little fear of prosecution, I can see a working class juror, looking at privileged high class women victims, and deciding

"If we are not safe, then you do not deserve to be safe either".
 
Anyone can wrap-up the charges for me please????
I think in USA there will be separate charges for each alleged victim and crime ???
Right?????
 
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As far as the 45 years.....

Doesn't the Judge declare the actual Sentence......after the Jury convicts?

Unless there is some sort of Mandatory Sentencing Statute......doesn't the Judge have some leeway in Sentencing....?

Would the Jury be aware of this? I would think so....
 
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