Breaking . . . 30-year SO Flag Officer out now and spilling his/her guts to Aaron!

[ILove2Lurk]

According to reports from Claire Headley . . .

Who the hell is Claire Headley?!!!!

Hearsay! . . . that is, unverified, unofficial information gained from another
and not part of one's direct knowledge.

Additional opinion

As opposed to reasoned speculation based on verified factual information

My story
While I was getting NOTS auditing sessions at Flag from morning to night from my Class 12,
all of a sudden David was not available to audit me in the evenings for about a week. I could see
my folder in David's folder stack in the folder area. John Travolta's folder was on top of my folder
and those folders of the other PreOTs he was auditing. I asked him if he was auditing John T at night.
He told me he couldn't say.
Is this "verified factual information" or "an unconfirmed rumor and made-up speculation?"

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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I could see my folder in David's folder stack in the folder area. John Travolta's folder was on top of my folder
and those folders of the other PreOTs he was auditing. I asked him if he was auditing John T at night.
He told me he couldn't say.

Cult Code De-Encrypting For Fun:

1. If he was not auditing John Travolta at night he would have answered "NO". Ergo,
the fact that he "couldn't say" was affirmatively stating the he WAS auditing him at night.

2. There is some kind of 'Hubbard Law' in this. I'll have to think how to word it, but
the concept is: "IN SCIENTOLOGY EVERYTHING IS CONFIDENTIAL. EXCEPT YOUR SECRETS":

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A Flag pre-OT on NOTS walks into the waiting room
and sits down for his next session. He notices someone
come into the room and sit down right next to him.
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PRE OT
(suddenly pops a huge grin)
Hey! Aren't you John Travolta?!

JOHN TRAVOLTA
I couldn't say.


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[Cat's Squirrel]

As opposed to reasoned speculation based on verified factual information.

But the organisation's never going to do that (verify Aaron's information), is it? They're committed to assuming a posture of "Good roads, good weather" no matter what chaos is brewing up inside.

Tom Cruise; when I was "in" I knew good people at the local Org who had been there for 20 years and still not made Clear, so I don't find it easy to sympathise with Tom's alleged predicament. He's the best placed person there is to finish his OTs if he really wanted to do it.

On the other hand, if this is true I wonder if it's Miscavige who's actually stopping him? I've long thought that Miscavige was an SP and SPs hate to see people around them doing well.

 

[onceuponatime]

AFAICT nobody from Flag Service Org (FSO) would know that. I'm reposting here what I wrote on Reddit about this claim of A/S/L:

I'm not commenting on the OT VIII or not aspect, but I do know that in more recent years TC has been doing services at FSO. It is all on RTC lines I'm sure, but I don't find it inconceivable that people at FSO would be in the know.

 

[Type4_PTS]

Tom Cruise; when I was "in" I knew good people at the local Org who had been there for 20 years and still not made Clear, so I don't find it easy to sympathise with Tom's alleged predicament. He's the best placed person there is to finish his OTs if he really wanted to do it.

I suspect that the hours he works as an actor may make it challenging to do OT VII.

I asked ChatGPT:

"How many days a year is Tom Cruise working as an actor?"

ChatGPT:
Tom Cruise is renowned for his extraordinary dedication to his craft, often engaging in extensive preparation and filming schedules that surpass those of many actors. While exact figures on the number of days he works annually aren't publicly available, several insights shed light on his rigorous work ethic:

• No Days Off: Cruise has claimed that he has "never taken a day off" during his over 40-year career in Hollywood, indicating a relentless commitment to his work. New York Post
• Extended Filming Periods: His projects often involve prolonged shooting schedules. For instance, Eyes Wide Shut had a continuous 15-month shoot, setting a Guinness World Record for the longest uninterrupted film production. Similarly, Mission: Impossible – The Final Reckoning experienced multiple delays and resumed production over several years, with Cruise actively involved throughout. Vanity FairRotten Tomatoes+1Wikipedia+1
• Intensive Stunt Preparation: Cruise is known for performing his own stunts, which requires significant preparation. For example, he spent a year perfecting a HALO jump for a brief scene in Mission: Impossible – Fallout. Reddit
• Continuous Physical Training: He maintains a rigorous fitness regimen, working out five days a week, and adjusts his diet to meet the physical demands of his roles, especially when preparing for complex stunts. New York Post

Considering these factors, it's reasonable to infer that Tom Cruise dedicates a substantial portion of the year to his acting career, encompassing filming, stunt training, and physical conditioning. While the exact number of days may vary annually, his unwavering commitment suggests that he remains actively engaged in his profession for the majority of the year.



Type4: "How many hours a day does he work when a film shoot is in progress?"

ChatGPT:
During film shoots, Tom Cruise is known for working exceptionally long hours, often exceeding the typical industry standards. While exact daily schedules can vary depending on the production, several accounts provide insight into his intensive workdays:

• Extended Shooting Days: On the set of Top Gun: Maverick, director Joe Kosinski noted that they often had 12- to 14-hour shooting days, sometimes yielding only 30 seconds of usable footage due to the complexity and precision required for aerial scenes. Wikipedia+2ComicBookMovie.com+2GQ+2
• Demanding Stunt Work: Cruise's commitment to performing his own stunts adds to the length and intensity of his workdays. For instance, during the filming of Mission: Impossible – Fallout, he performed a high-altitude, low-opening (HALO) jump 106 times to capture the perfect shot, with each jump allowing only a few minutes of filming per day. Wikipedia
• Continuous Engagement: Cruise's involvement isn't limited to acting; he often takes on roles in production and stunt coordination, further extending his daily commitments on set.

These examples illustrate that during active film production, Tom Cruise's workdays can span 12 to 14 hours or more, reflecting his dedication to delivering high-quality, action-packed performances.

 

[TheSneakster]

I'm not commenting on the OT VIII or not aspect, but I do know that in more recent years TC has been doing services at FSO.

What services would those be ?

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

^^ Good post. That's still his choice though, wouldn't you say? If Tom really wanted to finish NOT VII, he could take a year or two off from his acting career and visit Flag full time.

CofS Scientologists constantly have it dinned into them that this is the one chance they have to "make it out of the trap" and they'll never get another one.

He's made enough money now anyway.

 

[PirateAndBum]

Why do we care if TC finished solo nuts? Dangly Missavage hasn't even finished OT 3.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Why do we care if TC finished solo nuts? Dangly Missavage hasn't even finished OT 3.

Exactly!

In fact, nobody has ever finished OT III.

That's like someone in 1969 attesting at the end of OT III that they have "finished" finding & handling ALL OF THE BTS on their case. That's not technically correct for two (2) reasons:

1. Even though they attest with total certainty (i.e. "no doubts or reservations") that all BTs are gone all it takes for them to suddenly discover more BTs is for Scientology's guru to take the 2 minutes required type a new HCO Bulletin that celebrates his discovery that there are more BTs (on OT 3 "Expanded"). And then years after that Pre-OT attests to OT 3X, the guru miraculously finds far more BTs on a newly discovered level called "NOTS" (OT V). When Ron cognites there are more BTs it makes the previous 2 attests false and reveals the Pre-OT is a liar--or at best, delusional. Then years after the Pre-OT attests to OT V, Hubbard takes another few minutes to write another new discovery, that there are vast multitudes of BTs that will require many many many many years (and dollars) to handle. So, clearly the BT ruin is never handled if the duped donors still have money and the willingness to suspend disbelief (e.g. BTs make yet another guest appearance on OT VIII....)

2. There's a much simpler reason that nobody ever "finished" OT III. There were no BTs to begin with. Ergo, you cannot "finish" pulling all the weeds out of your garden if yesterday a 12 man crew of gardeners spent all day and removed every single weed already. Finishing implies that you actually DID something. LOL


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[PirateAndBum]

Tell that to DM, according to Tom DeVo he's terrified of BTs

 

[Lee #28]

Exactly!

In fact, nobody has ever finished OT III.

That's like someone in 1969 attesting at the end of OT III that they have "finished" finding & handling ALL OF THE BTS on their case. That's not technically correct for two (2) reasons:

1. Even though they attest with total certainty (i.e. "no doubts or reservations") that all BTs are gone all it takes for them to suddenly discover more BTs is for Scientology's guru to take the 2 minutes required type a new HCO Bulletin that celebrates his discovery that there are more BTs (on OT 3 "Expanded"). And then years after that Pre-OT attests to OT 3X, the guru miraculously finds far more BTs on a newly discovered level called "NOTS" (OT V). When Ron cognites there are more BTs it makes the previous 2 attests false and reveals the Pre-OT is a liar--or at best, delusional. Then years after the Pre-OT attests to OT V, Hubbard takes another few minutes to write another new discovery, that there are vast multitudes of BTs that will require many many many many years (and dollars) to handle. So, clearly the BT ruin is never handled if the duped donors still have money and the willingness to suspend disbelief (e.g. BTs make yet another guest appearance on OT VIII....)

2. There's a much simpler reason that nobody ever "finished" OT III. There were no BTs to begin with. Ergo, you cannot "finish" pulling all the weeds out of your garden if yesterday a 12 man crew of gardeners spent all day and removed every single weed already. Finishing implies that you actually DID something. LOL


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This exact situation really really pissed me off upon getting the "R Factor" in my first OT IV session......

I had attested to no more BTs on OT III..........then OT IV made a liar out of me....

I was like WTF! ( but to myself of course....) I guess I had learned not to bad mouth anything at least....

But now....I guess BTs are hunted all the way to OT VII.....and or OT 8.... IF that is the case... There could possibly be more???

Who's to say what the truth is on Scientology BTs.....??

 

[ILove2Lurk]

Who's to say what the truth is on Scientology BTs.....??

One's imagination -- ability to mock up or imagine things -- is actually unlimited, AFAIK.

If I'm rememberin' correctly, on the Class 8 tapes, Ron claimed that a thetan carries
only five or six with him from lifetime to lifetime. That was his story circa '68.

 

[Lee #28]

One's imagination -- ability to mock up or imagine things -- is actually unlimited, AFAIK.

If I'm rememberin' correctly, on the Class 8 tapes, Ron claimed that a thetan carries
only five or six with him from lifetime to lifetime. That was his story circa '68.

I've always had the ability to "mock up things..." Even motion....and colors and such....

Small or large.... And projections too....

But now....that has diminished quite a bit.

I didn't realize this was part of the upper OT levels until I read something here a couple days ago.... Sounded like some drills straight out of Creation of Human Ability...

If some people can and some can't ( Black Five) then why not some sort of difference in Auditing...?

I had always thought OT 5 was more BT stuff......and still do... So don't know what to think about what I read yesterday on here.... I never really looked on the Web to see what OT 5 was about....

Anyway....I call some serious bullshit on the "tech..."

I don't think much about all this .....now a days...

 

[The_Fixer]

But the organisation's never going to do that (verify Aaron's information), is it? They're committed to assuming a posture of "Good roads, good weather" no matter what chaos is brewing up inside.

Tom Cruise; when I was "in" I knew good people at the local Org who had been there for 20 years and still not made Clear, so I don't find it easy to sympathise with Tom's alleged predicament. He's the best placed person there is to finish his OTs if he really wanted to do it.

On the other hand, if this is true I wonder if it's Miscavige who's actually stopping him? I've long thought that Miscavige was an SP and SPs hate to see people around them doing well.

I wonder if Tom is still stuck on the movie scenario of "Edge of Tomorrow".

Every time he nears completion, he dies and has to relive that day again to do it all over again......

Hmmm, punishment or joy?

 

[onceuponatime]

What services would those be ?

Scientology services I imagine, probably both training and processing.

 

[TheSneakster]

Scientology services I imagine, probably both training and processing.

Since you don't know of any specific services T.C. took from FSO since he was on OT VII back in 2004, you don't know that he took any services from FSO at all. The Flag Building has other things in it besides FSO. The current RTC HQ, a personal RTC Office for David Miscavige, and a personal apartment for David Miscavige are among those.

My position (that you have failed to rebut), is that there is no reason for Erring Smith-Levin's alleged former "30 year Sea Org Flag officer" to have factual knowledge about T.C.'s auditing case. Since T.C. has owned a condo in Clearwater for some years, an RTC C/S directly runs T.C.'s auditing, and RTC HQ is now in the Flag Building close by, there is zero reason to assume anybody at FSO level had access to his folders.

Edit Addition: Of course, I certainly don't know whether or not T.C. ever completed Solo NOTS (OT VII) or OT VIII. I find myself more than a little baffled as to why A/S/L (apparently) imagines there is something monumentally important about it, if T.C. has not.

 

[Lee #28]

Anyone know where Tom Cruise gets his plastic surgery done?
Or who does it?

I assume ( @TheSneakster ) he must go under some anesthetic during the work....

( I really don't care....just having some fun...)

 

[onceuponatime]

Since you don't know of any specific services T.C. took from FSO since he was on OT VII back in 2004, you don't know that he took any services from FSO at all. The Flag Building has other things in it besides FSO. The current RTC HQ, a personal RTC Office for David Miscavige, and a personal apartment for David Miscavige are among those.

My position (that you have failed to rebut), is that there is no reason for Erring Smith-Levin's alleged former "30 year Sea Org Flag officer" to have factual knowledge about T.C.'s auditing case. Since T.C. has owned a condo in Clearwater for some years, an RTC C/S directly runs T.C.'s auditing, and RTC HQ is now in the Flag Building close by, there is zero reason to assume anybody at FSO level had access to his folders.

Edit Addition: Of course, I certainly don't know whether or not T.C. ever completed Solo NOTS (OT VII) or OT VIII. I find myself more than a little baffled as to why A/S/L (apparently) imagines there is something monumentally important about it, if T.C. has not.

If I don't know the specific services he took (and maybe I do and just don't want to share), that doesn't mean I can't confirm he was doing services at FSO. As I said in my original post, I'm not commenting on the OT VIII aspect of things or any details, just saying that he was on services at FSO, potentially someone at FSO would be in a position to know or at least hear rumors. I agree with you that everything will be on RTC lines, so I too am a little skeptical of the story. No one but RTC sees those folders.