freethinker
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It can be infectious. You can catch the disease and not even know it as a carrier with outward, but not inward symptoms, or any way you want to look at it. Alanzo caught the disease as well and attempted to pass it on.
Answering an unanswered question about my OSA Operatives thread on ESMB v1.0.
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freethinker
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It's called divide and conquer.Yes. That would be the proper terminology. In the green room before the show on MSNBC and CNN they discuss, "What about the sociopath shall we discuss today?" At FOX they discuss, "What aspect of deranged Democrats shall we discuss?" If you don't get too negative about it and just look at the absurdity it can be rather comical.
I played sports in high school and didn't have time to join the debate team so now I'm getting an overview of the terminology and rules of debate.
Hitler is really quite a different thing. He created a cult, but in a very different way.
Hitler provided a national response and to many in Germany solutions to a very real crisis they were facing. Their country was collapsing in an catastrophic way. He was alone in offering any real tangible hope to the masses then. Not too many saw the monster he was about to become. Even King Edward VIII was sold on him. He never realised the monster that was about to be. Real issues, real time, real solutions, not just koolaid.
For some time he did a serious lot of good to his country. Most of all, he gave them hope for a better future which was just within their grasp. Life got better and became good for so many, no wonder they fell under his spell. If there were some thing people didn't quite agree with, well that was okay too. He was getting things done. Germany began to prosper, much more so than those other countries who only just survived the Great Depression.
Hitler offered real hope and solutions to real problems of the time. I remember a Polish descended work colleague who told me all the Poles used to come to their home as a child for parties and he heard so many of them say "Hitler wasn't so bad, at least he was getting rid of the Jews". Indicates that Jews weren't just a Nazi issue, not many Europeans liked them either. An inconvenient truth.
Hubbard and many other cults offer imaginary solutions to mainly imaginary problems. That's where they differ. If cult leaders rose to Hitler's position, they would be little different. Imagine the Gulags for SP's if Hubbard had his way, for example.
I have also noted that a number of ex scn's also run off to another cult of sorts, or create their own new one and I'm not going into that or talking names here at this time. To me, that indicates that they have ongoing issues that run a bit (or a lot) deeper than scientology. Unless they find an epiphany, they also become lost causes.
Scientology was just a diversion in their path to self destruction.
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Are you serious?
Hitler made people believe that they are "exceptional" as a nation (reminds me Obama saying pretty much the same about 'Merkuns)
You make it look like Hitler did much good for the people, and Jews were "simply a change".
I was simply talking about Hitler before he started the Final Solution and how certain individuals rise to power, just by offering hope.
I stand by what I said. Germany in that time was pretty much a third world country or becoming one. Some saw through his master plan straight up, others were mesmerised by him and fell into line behind him. I don't really know if he intended to exterminate people from the outset, or if it developed the idea along the way. Nevertheless, he did do a lot of good for Germany at the time and got the country back on its feet.
The country had never really recovered from WW I and the effects of losing it.
His opinion of the Jews, Gypsies and other minority groups was not out of the ordinary back then. Many Europeans of all nationalities felt the same towards them. In that time, much of the world held some pretty racist views, Hitler was not that much different to others. It is not really appropriate to judge the people of yesterday with the standards of today. They just didn't think how we think now.
However, even back then the Final Solution was considered morally wrong and completely evil. But all that isn't the point of what I was talking about.
Some info: Who was Hitler? What good things did he do for Germany? What activities did he and the Nazi party take part in? How and why did he die? - Quora
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SP_of_Mornington
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Hi Panda,CaliMule asked an unanswered question about Hubbard's "Reject Buttons", something I'd mentioned in the OSA How To thread on ESMB. I'm pretty sure that I already answered that question somewhere on the thread itself but, just to save you diving back into the swamp, I'm logging in here to answer the question.
The "Reject Buttons List" was (as far as I remember) a list of things to say (and assert annoyingly) whilst "pretending to be a critic of scientology". They were hyperbolic words such as "biggest, baddest, meanest, worstest (lol)" etc words that painted the speaker/writer as hysterical and prone to exaggeration, the purpose of using them was to make the listener/reader reject the rest of what was said in "criticism of scientology" and (hopefully) make them reject other instances of the same/similar criticism of Hubbard and/or scientology. You might have noticed plenty of that sort of thing on ESMB (if you were looking for it) over the last few months. Best Wishes for ESMB Redux, I wish you well.
I've recently had dealings with Mick Cottee's (died 2010) ex-wife. She divorced him in 2008 when he got cancer. In 2014 she was promoting The Institute's for the Achievement of Human Potential's treatment of "brain injured" children, and describes Peter Lardelli and Tara Wilkinson as "old friends". She told me that she left scientology in 2000. We dated for less than 3 months. When I questioned her relationships with scientology further very bad things began to happen in my life (I suspect, from a layperson's view, that she is highly narcissistic, and the police involvement and public vilification of myself have more to do with that than being 'fair game'). She never spoke in anything but quite positive terms about the cult and its members. Shortly after our first meeting she quizzed the truth of something I said she placed 3 toy animals on a table in front of me and assigned a meaning to each; I had to take the one which represented what I was (truth, mad or pathological liar) and tell her which. It was very strange. She told me that apart from the Drug Rundown, she didn't have to do any courses as she was "born clear". She was a president/spokesperson for the CCHR in the late 90s. Any information about Mick Cottee would be hugely appreciated, as it would provide clarity for me as to whether I am mistaken in thinking that she misled me as to the date of their leaving scientology. Regards
But Hitler's cult, The Browns, created a lot of problems being thugs and terrorizing the public.
Not much different to the leftist thugs at this present time attacking any dissenting views. These kind of people are necessary tools to achieve domination. They will be exterminated (or whatever) when they have outlived their usefulness.
Also part of any dictator's operating manual 101.
We swear more these days too. Who even says “badest” anyhow? I much prefer a strong profanity to get my message across if needs be.It did work often at the time but you'd have to remember that the world was a very different place in the 1970s. These days people are, for the most part, desensitized about hyperbole, exagerration and such, it's become something of a cultural norm in western society thanks to advertising, media, and social media.
In any event, I'm not here to argue as to its effectiveness or lack thereof, I'm just answering a question that was asked.
Enthetan
Veteran of the Psychic Wars
You have Antifa today doing the same thing, and the Bolsheviks in Lenin's time also used political terrorism. As do the Islamics.
I was reading historian Paul Johnson's book "Modern Times", covering the 20th Century (a long slog, but worth it). Hitler found his most radical supporters among college students, much as the modern Left does today. The same personality type can go any way, Nazi, Commie, Islamist -- they just need an ideological outlet for their adolescent rage; give them the illusion that violence is in the service of "a higher good", and they will do all sorts of horrors for you. When I look at myself in my Scientology "True Believer" stage, I think I could have been turned into someone who could commit horror fairly easily. Fortunately, it didn't happen.
I recommend The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements (1951) by Eric Hoffer for some insights on this
Modern people are mostly peaceful and unwilling to engage in violence. Thus terrorism works.
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guanoloco
As-Wased
My guess is that if one spoke to any Scientologist or ex that the vast majority were college aged when they got hooked. Seems to be common cannon fodder.
Enthetan
Veteran of the Psychic Wars
I recall my Comm Course classmates were mostly young.
