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Bingo!Yeh, it would be a pretty reasonable conclusion for people to connect the death R/D to being a suicide R/D after being told that.
Bingo!Yeh, it would be a pretty reasonable conclusion for people to connect the death R/D to being a suicide R/D after being told that.
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OK, well I'm going to have to agree with you on this particular point, JustSheila, Veda and you all.Yeh, it would be a pretty reasonable conclusion for people to connect the death R/D to being a suicide R/D after being told that.
Thank you, Hobbs. And I agree wholeheartedly with you that L Ron’s death was not a suicide. And I don’t think either of us believe he died naturally, either.OK, well I'm going to have to agree with you on this particular point, JustSheila, Veda and you all.
I'd say Darth Midget and Pat Broeker were so busy covering up the true end of Ron Hubbard that they failed to apply the Viewpoint PL from the PR Series and never considered that they were, as you say, effectively calling Ron Hubbard's death a suicide.
According to the published accounts of the very few survivors and law enforcement investigators, at least 90% of The People's Temple victims were murdered as they only drank poisoned Flavor Aid at point of guns wielded by a small percentage of the members forming Jim Jone's personal cadre.Well, Squeakster, as with Jim Jones. and Heavens Gate, Scientology became a Suicide cult.
That doesn't make Scientology not a suicide cult.According to the published accounts of the very few survivors and law enforcement investigators, at least 90% of The People's Temple victims were murdered as they only drank poisoned Flavor Aid at point of guns wielded by a small percentage of the members forming Jim Jone's personal cadre.
Suicide can and does happen outside the cult as well. Mostly the reason is depression. There can be many factors behind that.Well....jumping off buildings.....or deaths like our former Ex..member, Arnie Lerma are not in the dropping the body catagory.....
If we are talking why.....then I think Betrayal by the Cult is one reason. Or at least a part of the mechanics that could lead to taking one's life.
Add that the Cult certainly knows Black Dianetics.....and methods to drive someone crazy.....
.Absolutely hilarious! I've been waiting for a decade for someone to spill the beans
about the conversations that went on behind closed doors during those days. The ones
where they're deciding on what shore stories to invent and script -- acceptable tall tales,
that is. Maybe that day will come. Would be a hoot hearing about them all at their inventive
best, like a bunch of Hollywood screenwriters trying to outdo each other in a creative meeting.
This is "The Cabal" I'm talking about . . . those in on the truth about LRH, yet had to put on
brave faces for the next 35 years to maintain the con and cash flow. (Or lose the brave face
and get locked up in "The Hole" or lawyered to death.)
Although never publicized, I saw these.
The first of these is the INT/EXT Rundown. The Scientology INT Rundown.
This is to *help* easy transition or exteriorization.
The next step is ensure the spirit, the soul whatever anyone wants to call it is coached to find a star and run around it like a satellite in order to *stabilize.* In other words. the recently departed is to do the running program without a body ! Blah.
Here's the entire bizarre event.
Earle Cooley is introduced by Miscavige at 17:07 and states that, "The body of L. Ron Hubbard was sound and strong, and fully capable of serving this mighty thetan, for many years, had that suited his purposes."
....as with Jim Jones. and Heavens Gate, Scientology became a Suicide cult.
Link to the Scientology & Jim Jones thread..It's mind numbing the things that Scientologists don't know about Scientology and their disincarnate guru, L. Ron Hubbard.
Imagine all the millions of reg cycles where two people (PC / REG) sat across a desk, sweating it out to figure how to put more money on account so they could get the next "case-cracking" action---that would make PC into an OT just like Ron!
And most of the time NEITHER of them had the slightest clue that Hubbard had committed suicide---or at least tried to.
And even if he DID NOT commit suicide, think of the alternative where the mightiest elite Scientology OTs on Hubbard's personal team pro-actively neglected his medical care so he would die faster and become less of a "PR FLAP.
And the third alternative is just as bad as the previous two. That's the scenario where Hubbard was just a degraded homo sapiens like everyone else that lives on Earth. Which means he died like a dog and therefore ripped people off during his entire adult life selling them mythical miracles and magical powers that he had pretended to have.
There is no good way to spin this story any other way that makes Scientology look sane.
Maybe at this years annual L RON HUBBARD SCIENCE FICTION CONTEST, the challenge should be to give all those sci-fi writers the task of coming up with a believable death story that doesn't make everyone cringe and burst out laughing.
If i had been a staff copywriter during that period, i would have worked off of the existing Christian motif (priest outfits & crosses) that Scientology uses already. I'd have had Hubbard captured and tortured by psychs. Then they would crucify in some way (other than nailing him to wood) which could then be used to claim that "RON DIED FOR YOUR OVERTS". Then I would have Ron buried, but a short time later I would write a cool chapter about RON RISING FROM THE DEAD.
After that I'd have Ron transported to Target II which is much more upstat than Heaven. In fact instead of calling it "Target II" we'd call it something like IDEAL HEAVEN.
And there would be a museum at the place where Ron came back to life with lots of profitable ticket sales and a huge gift store with licensed merchandise, t-shirts and mugs celebrating Ron's saving the planet. Kind of like Graceland but with huge photos of flying saucers and tomatoes alligator clipped to emeters.
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At the beginning of the PR Series Hubbard wrote that there is "PR of PR" and "nicey nicey PR."OK, well I'm going to have to agree with you on this particular point, JustSheila, Veda and you all.
I'd say Darth Midget and Pat Broeker were so busy covering up the true end of Ron Hubbard that they failed to apply the Viewpoint PL from the PR Series and never considered that they were, as you say, effectively calling Ron Hubbard's death a suicide.