A quick, easy solution to loss

[I M Dex]

Well of course you have to be in agreement to be affected (or believe yourself to be affected) ... the whole point of dumping a cult is to remove yourself from the controlling environment physically, mentally and spiritually. So why do some people insist on continuing to promote the bits they like or have altered slightly to people who may not have fully grasped that fact when doing so could potentially do them more harm than good and possibly create yet another guru like figure in their already confused minds?

I still subscribe to the "logic" that Superman's x-ray vision shouldn't work under a red sun, so I'm probably not the right person to ask..

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

Maybe this part of the board should carry a sort of health warning, displayed prominently at the top of it and something along the lines of; "None of the processes and procedures that are mentioned, described or discussed in this section of the board have been endorsed by a mental health professional or are guaranteed to be safe. If you use or experiment with any of them, be advised that you do so at your own risk."

I still will experiment with processes that appeal to me, of course, but that's the way I roll; I don't expect anyone else to do the same. I believe strongly that taking that approach has worked for me in the past when nothing else (including conventional psychiatric or psychological help) would have done.

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

I think this deserves a separate post.

I don't think the problem I've just described is unique to Scientology, I think it's a peril that can be encountered in almost any spiritual or metaphysical practice which purports to offer you a way out of what some would call "the trap". Barry Long once told of an Indian woman he knew about who had completely transcended her ego, wonderful on the face of it, but there was a big downside; she was almost totally unable to function in the world and had to be protected by a posse of disciples wherever she went because she was no longer able to keep herself safe and protect herself from danger.

She had managed to free herself of the negative aspects of the ego, sure, but in so doing she had thrown the baby out with the bath water as it were and gotten rid of its positive aspects as well.

Alexandra David-Neel in her travellings through Tibet met some spiritual seekers who had apparently gone mad through practicing the Tibetan short path, and was admonished by other Tibetans for her sentimentality; she was told that this was a known risk of the Short Path and those who embarked upon it agreed to accept it in return for having the chance to attain enlightenment and liberation in one lifetime.

I have a faint memory of having said all this on the old board but at the moment I can't access that one unfortunately.

 

[Hatshepsut]

Well of course you have to be in agreement to be affected (or believe yourself to be affected) ... the whole point of dumping a cult is to remove yourself from the controlling environment physically, mentally and spiritually. So why do some people insist on continuing to promote the bits they like or have altered slightly to people who may not have fully grasped that fact when doing so could potentially do them more harm than good and possibly create yet another guru like figure in their already confused minds?

It would be a wrong premise to consider Scientology some origin point as the redundancy gets revealed. Possibly, sharing a couple secrets may take the mystery away.

In, my case, I don't have a general audience and not many read what I write. The esoteric history this old lady struggles to type out reaches very few like minds.

 

[Ed8]

Well of course you have to be in agreement to be affected (or believe yourself to be affected) ... the whole point of dumping a cult is to remove yourself from the controlling environment physically, mentally and spiritually. So why do some people insist on continuing to promote the bits they like or have altered slightly to people who may not have fully grasped that fact when doing so could potentially do them more harm than good and possibly create yet another guru like figure in their already confused minds?

Where's veda?

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Where's veda?

I have no idea but his very sudden departure from the board a few years ago and the feeling I always had that he was elderly makes me think he may have died. He is certainly missed.

Edit: I have just found his last post in 2024 ... I thought he disappeared about 5 years ago but I was wrong, so maybe he is still with us ... I do hope so.

Post in thread 'The war between ex Scientologists and critics - is OSA involved?'

Apr 20, 2024

That's more or less how I see anyone blindly, unquestioningly and consistently following and defending anyone's banner, to the point of knee-jerk malice toward anyone questioning anything about their icon....

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A major schism with those who protest, educate, and assist, and provide a little push back for Scientology, seems ridiculously stupid.

• Veda

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[Cat's Squirrel]

It would be a wrong premise to consider Scientology some origin point as the redundancy gets revealed. Possibly, sharing a couple secrets may take the mystery away.

In, my case, I don't have a general audience and not many read what I write. The esoteric history this old lady struggles to type out reaches very few like minds.

I have no idea but his very sudden departure from the board a few years ago and the feeling I always had that he was elderly makes me think he may have died. He is certainly missed.

Edit: I have just found his last post in 2024 ... I thought he disappeared about 5 years ago but I was wrong, so maybe he is still with us ... I do hope so.

Post in thread 'The war between ex Scientologists and critics - is OSA involved?'

Apr 20, 2024

That's more or less how I see anyone blindly, unquestioningly and consistently following and defending anyone's banner, to the point of knee-jerk malice toward anyone questioning anything about their icon....

-....

A major schism with those who protest, educate, and assist, and provide a little push back for Scientology, seems ridiculously stupid.

• Veda

• 
• 

I remember his saying that he joined New York Org in the early seventies. Assuming that that was when he left school, he must be at least Ralph Hilton's age (Ralph joined London Org, I believe, in 1971, so early to mid seventies).

Anyway, is the old board down for keeps now?

 

[I M Dex]

I remember his saying that he joined New York Org in the early seventies. Assuming that that was when he left school, he must be at least Ralph Hilton's age (Ralph joined London Org, I believe, in 1971, so early to mid seventies).

Anyway, is the old board down for keeps now?

I joined the NY org in 1978. I wonder if I knew him.

 

[Hatshepsut]

Ralph Hilton passed away not too long ago.

There was more integrity in the very early 70s. Then the 'end of the world' was promulgated....followed by requests for endless donations with nothing given in exchange, beginning with the Mary Sue Hubbard defense fund.

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

I joined the NY org in 1978. I wonder if I knew him.

I'll DM you.

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

Ralph Hilton passed away not too long ago.

There was more integrity in the very early 70s. Then the 'end of the world' was promulgated....followed by requests for endless donations with nothing given in exchange, beginning with the Mary Sue Hubbard defense fund.

Yes I know, there was a thread for Ralph a while back. He had a heavy smoking habit for most of his time in Scn and although he eventually quit, I think that may have shortened his life.

I met him once, at an Independents' conference in London in the mid-1990s. I remember that he had very definite views about the Tech and what would work and what wouldn't.

He ended up running a small centre in Semmerling (Austria); I believe that he delivered very standard Tech, with the aim of rehabilitating people's connection to the eighth dynamic (God). I think Heidrun Beer worked with him and there were rumours of a relationship between them, although he denied this.

He posted a picture of his dog as the ethics officer, which was amusing.

 

[I M Dex]

Yes I know, there was a thread for Ralph a while back. He had a heavy smoking habit for most of his time in Scn and although he eventually quit, I think that may have shortened his life.

I met him once, at an Independents' conference in London in the mid-1990s. I remember that he had very definite views about the Tech and what would work and what wouldn't.

He ended up running a small centre in Semmerling (Austria); I believe that he delivered very standard Tech, with the aim of rehabilitating people's connection to the eighth dynamic (God). I think Heidrun Beer worked with him and there were rumours of a relationship between them, although he denied this.

He posted a picture of his dog as the ethics officer, which was amusing.

I had a video conversation with Ralph. We shared an interesting viewpoint or two. He was doing sessions over the Internet, I believe by having the camera facing the client and the meter.

 

[Enthetan]

Yelling at someone collapses the victim's space.
A technique: When someone is being verbally abused, simply reach out and hold a patch of space BEHIND the abuser's head.

Alternate technique: communicate to the abuser that you don’t like being yelled at, by punching him in the face.

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

Alternate technique: communicate to the abuser that you don’t like being yelled at, by punching him in the face.

Yes, might be a bit risky doing that to Siberski (whom I never met but I get the temptation).

Just recalling Paul's account of what happened, I was left aghast at how badly the staffers were treated back then (in the UK anyway, in the mid-1970s).

People worked long hours in the org for not much money, and their reward was to get some so-called hotshot exec telling them all to line up and then shouting the odds at them for some alleged shortfall in statistics.

I got yelled at in the org (not often but it did happen), and I was supposed to be public.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

I remember his saying that he joined New York Org in the early seventies. Assuming that that was when he left school, he must be at least Ralph Hilton's age (Ralph joined London Org, I believe, in 1971, so early to mid seventies).

Anyway, is the old board down for keeps now?

Oh OK ... I thought he was quite a bit older than that ... hopefully he is still very much alive and kicking.

I've no idea about the old board Cats but I do recall seeing a post from Emma saying she was working on it.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Alternate technique: communicate to the abuser that you don’t like being yelled at, by punching him in the face.

On that basis I owe Don Larson and Ivis Bulger some of that alternative tech (as I suspect many of us do from the UK)!

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

Oh OK ... I thought he was quite a bit older than that ... hopefully he is still very much alive and kicking.

Thanks for replying Trouble..He might be older that that - I just seem to recall his saying that he joined Scn at about the same time as Ralph did (who joined straight after school) so I assumed they were the same age.

"I've no idea about the old board Cats but I do recall seeing a post from Emma saying she was working on it."

It is still up; I just can't link to the front page of the forum. It's weird.

Just to show that I was able to get it though, here's Carmel's page;

A transformation - Thanks Em and all!

It's now been 12 months since I got on the net, started looking at all this Scn stuff, and found ESMB. Oh my - It's only been a year, but in that time I feel like I've had a lifetime of gain. I was sad, lonely, lost, and barely surviving mentally and spiritually. I kept up the front, wore my...

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