Are You Haunted?

[Veda]

After leaving Scientology Inc. in the early 1980s, when it was obvious I was no longer compatible (even as a public) with the organization, I began auditing outside, and in defiance of, the Organization. It seemed, at the time, like a reasonable first step in reviewing Scientology.

I audited most of the Grade Chart on pcs, but drew the line at auditing Hubbard "case" which he had superimposed on, and injected into, Scientologists, particularly most intensively during the so called OT levels.

At the pc's request, I did provide a sampling of various discontinued, but interesting, 1950s processes, and also NOTs.

I advised the pc that anything more than a quick sampling of NOTs would be mistake, but, assuming there might - at some time - be another being in one's space, knowing how to enter into two way communication, and resolve any possible difficulty might be a good idea. (Remember this was a long time ago.)

One day, in session, a "being" showed up during session and interrupted the session. The "being" (who knows what it really was) was asked (with me acting as the C/S and the pc acting s the auditor), "What are you?" and responded "A Solitary Angry Man." Well, two way communication occurred and evidentially S.A.M. went on his way.

(This was very very different from Hubbard's idea of the universe crawling with problematic degraded entities.)

Mostly it was to satisfy the pc's curiosity. It was a one time action.

This post was partially prompted by an inquiry from someone about my stating that I found 0.1% of NOTs to be of interest.

For anyone curious, here's a link to a book. Part 2 of the book contains a chapter titled Are You Haunted? which provides a sampling of views on the topic:

Link to part two of the book, Chapter 12.

 

[programmer_guy]

It seems to me that you talking about schizophrenia.

 

[Irayam]

^^^^^
Perhaps, but, if one accepts the idea that individuals or entities can exist without being in a physical body, it is also possible that an idle and bored S.A.M. may have taken advantage of having a bit of fun by participating in the session.

I don't usually hear voices or perceive disembodied entities around me, but once in my life I was schizophrenic or heard an extremely clear and authoritative voice speaking to me during a walk in the forest. And the events that happened in the days that followed lead me to believe that it was not a hallucination.

Edited to add: I’m not haunted.

 

[JeansAndRice]

Dissociation is fascinating! And occurs on a spectrum, I believe. Talking to a fully dissociated identity, or being, etc, was probably a trip.

On a scale of 0 to 10 haunted, I'm probably a 3ish

 

[He-man]

I'm only haunted by ghosts of Scientology past.

My mailbox keeps cluttering up with letters from Flag and AOSH, I've no idea how they keep finding me!

Must be haunted.

 

[Veda]

It seems to me that you talking about schizophrenia.

^^^^^
Perhaps, but, if one accepts the idea that individuals or entities can exist without being in a physical body, it is also possible that an idle and bored S.A.M. may have taken advantage of having a bit of fun by participating in the session.

I don't usually hear voices or perceive disembodied entities around me, but once in my life I was schizophrenic or heard an extremely clear and authoritative voice speaking to me during a walk in the forest. And the events that happened in the days that followed lead me to believe that it was not a hallucination.

Edited to add: I’m not haunted.

Dissociation is fascinating! And occurs on a spectrum, I believe. Talking to a fully dissociated identity, or being, etc, was probably a trip.

On a scale of 0 to 10 haunted, I'm probably a 3ish

I'm only haunted by ghosts of Scientology past.

My mailbox keeps cluttering up with letters from Flag and AOSH, I've no idea how they keep finding me!

Must be haunted.

The recommended linked chapter, above, provides a range of views, from Hubbard circa 1950, writing about demon "circuits," which, he assures us, are not actual demons, to Thomas Edison writing of swarms of beings that run the cells of the body and continue to live after the death of a the body, to thought-forms which are created (sometimes accidentally) by another and then can continue to exist with a life (of a sort) of their own.

Hubbard had, as one his main patterns, using "enemy tactics" and "aberrative" behaviors (covertly) on his own followers. This has been elaborated upon elsewhere, but I'll omit that elaboration here.

It's perhaps noteworthy that there was an old process in Scientology where the person was told to attribute thoughts or intentions to inanimate objects. (There was some explanation provided for why this process was to be done. Perhaps someone could locate it, if there's any interest).

Then there's - also, as I recall from the 1950s - Hubbard talking dismissively about those who "personify MEST" and "imbue" it "with personality."

This, needless to say, was regarded, at the time, as less than optimum.

See 1:32 to 2:08 for the quote.​

Then there's Hubbard's 1965 description of a condition called "PTS type 3" where, essentially, a person sees troublesome ghosts everywhere.

Then, lo and behold, Hubbard has a mental breakdown, after his humiliating disappointments in Rhodesia in 1966, and rebounds, as "the Commodore," by inventing an explanation for his failure (the explanation being the super engrams of Incident 1 and Incident 2, and Xenu which may have been originally inspired - and stored in Hubbard's subconscious - by a comic book character called "Xemnu." Quentin, Hubbard's son, as a little boy, had lots of comic books. Quentin also loved dinosaurs and had lots dinosaur books which, at the time, featured the date "75 million years ago," but I digress.)

Then, two years after inventing the category of "PTS type 3," Hubbard tells "Advanced Course" students that they are, and everyone on Earth is, essentially, "PTS type 3," and they'd better do "OT 3" to correct that problem.

Then, after the FBI raids of 1977, Hubbard has another collapse, and creates even more troublesome ghosts, etc.

At the time, I couldn't help but notice that, whatever Hubbard announced, most Scientologists instantly agreed.

Hubbard's announcements often were a mix of method and madness (and ego), practicality and paranoia. For example, "Dianetic Clear" (Link to David Mayo's article, circa 1990. Do a search on the word, "marketing."), and also "NOTS" were used to generate large amounts of income. But that also is another topic.

In any event, Hubbard would burp it out, from the vast soup of his subconscious and the spider web of his hidden agenda, and it would become a "factual fact" for Scientologists.

Even the CST symbol has a resemblance to the KOOL cigarette logo.

Strange.











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[Karakorum]

It's perhaps noteworthy that there was an old process in Scientology where the person was told to attribute thoughts or intentions to inanimate objects. (There was some explanation provided for why this process was to be done. Perhaps someone could locate it, if there's any interest).

Well that's a blast in the past. I had not heard that one in years and forgotten about it entirely until reading your post.
Someone first told me about this in the 1990s.

I think there were some US army experiments that showed that people kept in long term isolation tend to quickly develop attachment to animals and inanimate objects.

Then there's Hubbard's 1965 description of a condition called "PTS type 3" where, essentially, a person sees troublesome ghosts everywhere.

Allegedly Hubbard started seeing BTs everywhere in his old age. Guess he should have self-diagnosed himself.

 

[brujaaa]

lol the kool symbol
will guide lrh back to so-cal.... haahhh

am i haunted? .. i wish .. actually yes most certainly ....

i like to think of myself as cursed ...

Then there's - also, as I recall from the 1950s - Hubbard talking dismissively about those who "personify MEST" and "imbue" it "with personality.

loool
hahah i remember pretty well the times when i was yung when scentologeists suggested we do some hello and okay on inanimate objects and things...

'say hello to that table'

and so on..

absurdism at it's finest

and what about talking to ashtrays and telling em to sit down or stand up when it there aren't legs of any kind.

and the model session lelelele with the raggety anne' doll hahaha and tr's with the dolls