Someone Came In!

[Karen#1]

Excerpt:

This is a recent announcement from the “ideal” org in Perth.


You may recall, there was a lot of hype about this ideal org (as there is for all of them) “Clearing their zone” and that zone INCLUDED INDONESIA! As there is no org in Indonesia, or anywhere in SE Asia, Perth announced they were going to take on that responsibility. Indonesia is about 1800 miles from Perth. And it has a population of almost 270 million (more than 10 times Australia at 25 million and 1000 times Western Australia at 2.5 million).~~~READ MORE

Someone Came In!

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[The Oracle]

 

[Enthetan]

I can personally confirm that Captain Bill was batshit crazy, having experienced him on a mission to Flag.

Not sure if he rates the title of craziest, since there are many other people at least as crazy, although not as famous.

Craziest of all, is the person who decided that this nutcase should be given authority.

 

[TheSneakster]

Craziest of all, is the person who decided that this nutcase should be given authority.

Well, in private conversations with Janice Gilliam Grady (author of the Commodore's Messenger books) over the years, she confirmed reports I had from some other ex-Apollo crew that Captain Bill Robertson was originally one of the most competent and effective original Sea Organization members, which is why Hubbard promoted him to Captain of the Apollo. He was an accomplished auditor and he ran the S.O. Missions to Establish Advance Organization Los Angeles and (IIRC) American St. Hill Organization.

Unfortunately, Robertson was one of the guinea pigs for the original OT VIII pilot in 1969 on the Apollo. Afterwards, he developed a fixation on the E.E. "Doc" Smith Lensman space opera novels. He came to believe the fictional Galactic Patrol was a genuine Whole Track Space Opera organization and that the Sea Organization consisted primarily of thetans who had been part of it.

Because of the extreme negative results on Bill Robertson and other pilot Pre-OTs, OT VIII was shelved by Hubbard until Christmas 1978 and the release of NED for OTs, which Hubbard publicly stated made OT VIII possible.

Bill Robertson was pretty clearly in a full Type III Psychotic break, when he wrote and issued all that "Sector 9" material he claimed was the result of direct spiritual communication with "Elron Elray" (supposedly Ron Hubbard's "real name") who was supposed to have "dropped his Earth Body" and was now operating from a Mission mothership in orbit. In private conversation with Max Hauri (current head of Ron's Org), he confirmed that Bill Robertson was indeed Type III when he left the Co$, but that he recovered after intensive auditing in the Free Zone.

Disclaimer: I have no firsthand knowledge of any of the above information. Your Mileage May Vary.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

He came to believe that this were genuine Whole Track Space Opera organization and that the Sea Organization consisted primarily of thetans who had been part of it.

This was Hubbard's mindset, as well. First time he mentioned openly it was on tapes
from 1952 that I had listened to. I'd be comfortable in speculating that's where
Robertson got the idea. This narrative is peppered throughout his lecture tapes
from throughout the years. That's what Hubbard believed. I'm pretty sure.

Back in 1952, he was asking members of his audience for help in locating his "crew"
of about 40 thetans strong, who were unceremoniously dropped on Earth by an
opposing space opera force. He had want to connect back up with them.

 

[TheSneakster]

This was Hubbard's mindset, as well. First time he mentioned openly it was on tapes
from 1952 that I had listened to. I'd be comfortable in speculating that's where
Robertson got the idea. This narrative is peppered throughout his lecture tapes
from throughout the years. That's what Hubbard believed. I'm pretty sure.

The E.E. Smith Lensman series that Robertson was obsessing on was not mentioned in any Ron Hubbard materials I've ever seen. I'm not talking about space opera in general, but this very specific thing.

If you know otherwise, please provide a proper citation and I'll try to find it on one of the Freezone archive sites.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

E.E. Smith Lensman series

Mentioned on the Philadelphia tapes, yes. Hubbard says everything Smith wrote
was real track.

 

[TheSneakster]

Mentioned on the Philadelphia tapes, yes. Hubbard says everything Smith wrote
was real track.

Thank you!

I have transcripts for the Philadelphia Doctorate Course tapes and I will post the exact quote shortly.

Edit addendum: Sorry, nope. the only mention of E.E. Smith in the PDCs is Lecture #37 titled Chart of Attitudes Rising Scale Processing.

In this particular passage, he is giving an auditing example of an preclear who is happens to be a writer. Said PC happens to mention E. E. Smith's "Skylark [of Space]" novel (not Lensmen Series). Hubbard says nothing about the Lensmen series being real space opera in the PDCs.

Here is what he said about science fiction writers and space opera in that lecture:

A lot of your bad science fiction is written by boys who… they were just bad the whole
track, but they weren’t very bad. The guys who really write the good stuff, and so forth,
boy were they horrible!

Global search revealed no other mention of E.E. Smith in my collection of electronic transcripts, Red Vols, Green Vols or other Hubbard writings

 

[Enthetan]

The E.E. Smith Lensman series that Robertson was obsessing on was not mentioned in any Ron Hubbard materials I've ever seen. I'm not talking about space opera in general, but this very specific thing.

If you know otherwise, please provide a proper citation and I'll try to find it on one of the Freezone archive sites.

I remember a LOT of fans of the Lensmen series in Scientology. I think that series is where LRH stole a lot of his ideas from. (I read the series as a kid way back before Scientology. Looking back, I think it primed me to be receptive toward Scientology and OT).

 

[Type4_PTS]

I remember a LOT of fans of the Lensmen series in Scientology. I think that series is where LRH stole a lot of his ideas from. (I read the series as a kid way back before Scientology. Looking back, I think it primed me to be receptive toward Scientology and OT).

I knew Peter Sahagen at Boston Org back in the '80s who was a big fan of the Lensman Series. I ran into him in Clearwater back in the late 80s and he expressed a desire to purchase the film rights to the series, which I believe he did eventually do. Here's an article related to that:

Okun, Ardustry team for ‘Lensman’

Producer Sam Okun has signed a first-look deal with Peter Sahagen’s newly launched Beverly Hills-based indie production, financing and distribution shingle Ardustry Entertainment.

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While he has been acknowledged as the executive producer on some other shows I don't know if anything was ever produced on the Lensman Series.

 

[TheSneakster]

I don't know if anything was ever produced on the Lensman Series.

There was a pretty crappy (IMO) Japanese anime titled Lensman "based" on it released in 1984. About the only elements I could see from the books were Van Buskirk and his Dureum Space Axe & Kinnison with his Lens (which they got seriously wrong). The spaceships, weapons, uniforms, space armor and pretty much everything else are just.. wrong. You can find bits of it on YouTube.

 

[Karen#1]

I can personally confirm that Captain Bill was batshit crazy, having experienced him on a mission to Flag.

Not sure if he rates the title of craziest, since there are many other people at least as crazy, although not as famous.

Craziest of all, is the person who decided that this nutcase should be given authority.

Sea Org history and the state of mind of a veteran "OT III"
Captain Bill was a major Sea Organization Executive. He had gone "off the deep end" back in ‘82 when he left the Sea Org." He had spun stories of how the higher echelons of the Sea Organization had been taken over by aliens, called Marcabians, from the planet Marcab. Furthermore he asserted Markabians were lurking, parked on the roof top of AOLA. Sea Org were put on patrol to watch for Markab ships arriving at night. This was all taken very seriously and Sea org members did what they were told.
The previous 20 years he has been doing Scientology and was steeply entrenched in it.
Janis Gillham Grady
Gilham Grady tells in her book "Commodore's Messenger" that when Captain Bill was sent to AOLA as part of a "command team":::::
Captain Bill and a few select Juniors started hunting down Beverly Hills Psychiatrists who Captain Bill believed were brainwashing and PDHing (Pain, Drugs, Hypnosis AOLA staff and customers.
Riding around Los Angeles on motorbikes, Captain Bill and those under his direct orders barged into psychiatrists offices and took photographs, then carefully returned and filed them. The next day same thing repeated to other Psychiatric offices. Sea Org 69 vintage instead of being on the job at night, approx 20 of them dressed in black went off to visit the PDHers.
Eventually he was recalled to Apollo for this odd behaviour. On March 19th Hana Eltringham Whitfield
and 13 other Sea Org members arrived in Los Angeles to replace Captain Bill and his team. When Hana arrived, Captain Bill was still out hunting psychiatrists.
When he arrived at the Apollo he was posted as Apollo Navigator by Hubbard !
:::::::End of Quote SOURCE "Commodore's Messenger" pages 283/284

 

[Karen#1]

Captain Bill's extreme behavior was ignored while he was in the Sea Org. (2 decades)

The cult claiming it had all the tech to handle the human mind and give
FREEDOM from the Bank,
FREEDOM from abberration ~~ did NOTHING to handle his oddities ..
then they wailed when he opened a Sea Org "mockery" Bah !

 

[Riddick]

Sea Org history and the state of mind of a veteran "OT III"
Captain Bill was a major Sea Organization Executive. He had gone "off the deep end" back in ‘82 when he left the Sea Org." He had spun stories of how the higher echelons of the Sea Organization had been taken over by aliens, called Marcabians, from the planet Marcab. Furthermore he asserted Markabians were lurking, parked on the roof top of AOLA. Sea Org were put on patrol to watch for Markab ships arriving at night. This was all taken very seriously and Sea org members did what they were told.
The previous 20 years he has been doing Scientology and was steeply entrenched in it.
Janis Gillham Grady
Gilham Grady tells in her book "Commodore's Messenger" that when Captain Bill was sent to AOLA as part of a "command team":::::
Captain Bill and a few select Juniors started hunting down Beverly Hills Psychiatrists who Captain Bill believed were brainwashing and PDHing (Pain, Drugs, Hypnosis AOLA staff and customers.
Riding around Los Angeles on motorbikes, Captain Bill and those under his direct orders barged into psychiatrists offices and took photographs, then carefully returned and filed them. The next day same thing repeated to other Psychiatric offices. Sea Org 69 vintage instead of being on the job at night, approx 20 of them dressed in black went off to visit the PDHers.
Eventually he was recalled to Apollo for this odd behaviour. On March 19th Hana Eltringham Whitfield
and 13 other Sea Org members arrived in Los Angeles to replace Captain Bill and his team. When Hana arrived, Captain Bill was still out hunting psychiatrists.
When he arrived at the Apollo he was posted as Apollo Navigator by Hubbard !
:::::::End of Quote SOURCE "Commodore's Messenger" pages 283/284

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"Captain Bill and a few select Juniors started hunting down Beverly Hills Psychiatrists who Captain Bill believed were brainwashing and PDHing (Pain, Drugs, Hypnosis AOLA staff and customers.
Riding around Los Angeles on motorbikes, Captain Bill and those under his direct orders barged into psychiatrists offices and took photographs, then carefully returned and filed them. The next day same thing repeated to other Psychiatric offices. Sea Org 69 vintage instead of being on the job at night, approx 20 of them dressed in black went off to visit the PDHers.
Eventually he was recalled to Apollo for this odd behaviour. On March 19th Hana Eltringham Whitfield
and 13 other Sea Org members arrived in Los Angeles to replace Captain Bill and his team. When Hana arrived, Captain Bill was still out hunting psychiatrists. "

Aren't they still doing this with CCHR?

It's all bat shit crazy, guano loco.

 

[Riddick]

I can personally confirm that Captain Bill was batshit crazy, having experienced him on a mission to Flag.

Not sure if he rates the title of craziest, since there are many other people at least as crazy, although not as famous.

Craziest of all, is the person who decided that this nutcase should be given authority.

I would also say a lot of these IAS regs were crazy, Ted Braggen comes to mind. I wonder how he is making a living these days since there is nobody in orgs to hold IAS reg events? He ain't got the usual IAS commissions to pocket. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy, LOL.

 

[Harold#1]

Captain Bill's extreme behavior was ignored while he was in the Sea Org. (2 decades)

The cult claiming it had all the tech to handle the human mind and give
FREEDOM from the Bank,
FREEDOM from abberration ~~ did NOTHING to handle his oddities ..
then they wailed when he opened a Sea Org "mockery" Bah !

I can't help but think that LRH's "extreme behavior" was one of his main attractions to many of his followers.

 

[Riddick]

I can't help but think that LRH's "extreme behavior" was one of his main attractions to many of his followers.

not for me, I just wanted to go clear and then OT. I wanted perfect recall, photographic memory, freedom from aberration's, I wanted OT abilities of cause over MEST, to help myself and family and mankind, and to help overall. I thought I was joining the winning team.

And then I realized it was all rhetoric, and no actual proof, just words of proof.

 

[Harold#1]

not for me, I just wanted to go clear and then OT. I wanted perfect recall, photographic memory, freedom from aberration's, I wanted OT abilities of cause over MEST, to help myself and family and mankind, and to help overall. I thought I was joining the winning team.

And then I realized it was all rhetoric, and no actual proof, just words of proof.

I consider LRH's fantastical cons and delusions all part of his "extreme behavior".

 

[Enthetan]

I would also say a lot of these IAS regs were crazy, Ted Braggen comes to mind. I wonder how he is making a living these days since there is nobody in orgs to hold IAS reg events? He ain't got the usual IAS commissions to pocket. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy, LOL.

The essence of being a successful IAS reg is being able to convince others that Deep and terrible shit was on the edge of happening, and only IAS would be able to save the day.

Being SUFFICIENTLY batshit to be convincing to others that craziness was incoming, was a job prerequisite.

 

[Enthetan]

not for me, I just wanted to go clear and then OT. I wanted perfect recall, photographic memory, freedom from aberration's, I wanted OT abilities of cause over MEST, to help myself and family and mankind, and to help overall. I thought I was joining the winning team.

And then I realized it was all rhetoric, and no actual proof, just words of proof.

Same here.

A good way to con someone, is to find out his deepest desire, and convince him that he can have that, if he does what you want.