OT 16 ? WTF ?

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Mockingbird

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I have realized that I have run into people who list "OT 16" as their credentials online and several are (If genuine and not trolls)people who did stuff in Scientology and have done independent Scientology or freezoner stuff too.

Assuming that they actually did some kind of courses or auditing what did they do for OT 9 - 16 ?

I feel like I found descriptions of something that someone called "the rest of the bridge" or something like that when I first left Scientology, five years ago, and this could be that, maybe? Or it could be something else ?

If anyone knows and has a simple answer that would be great.

I obviously have zero interest in doing any Scientology or independent Scientology or freezoner auditing or courses. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

I just want to understand who these people from the dark corners of the interweb are, what they are claiming they have done and of course what did they actually do.

PS

Please don't send them to reg me
 
PirateAndBum said:
Ron's Org goes up to OT 40 I think it is
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Are they doing the old OT levels as OT 9 - 15 or something ? I heard of some group doing the earlier versions (tech degrade) of the OT levels from 3 - 8 as 9 - 15 or something like that, maybe 16 ? But how you get to 40...

Now that I think about it I saw a diagram with Ron's Bridge or something like that listing OT levels up to 40 but the description seemed really weird to me and I got off that page. Whatever I was looking for, it wasn't that.

It could be the same reference but I have no clue what they are auditing all the way up to OT 40 ! Shouldn't they have superpowers way, way before OT 40 ? And notice that it is not working ?
 
No they are doing Captain Bill's OT Levels 8 and up. I think Paul (DullOldFart) did a pdf that had some of it or at least descriptions.
 
Mockingbird said:
I have realized that I have run into people who list "OT 16" as their credentials online and several are (If genuine and not trolls)people who did stuff in Scientology and have done independent Scientology or freezoner stuff too.

Assuming that they actually did some kind of courses or auditing what did they do for OT 9 - 16 ?

I feel like I found descriptions of something that someone called "the rest of the bridge" or something like that when I first left Scientology, five years ago, and this could be that, maybe? Or it could be something else ?

If anyone knows and has a simple answer that would be great.

I obviously have zero interest in doing any Scientology or independent Scientology or freezoner auditing or courses. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

I just want to understand who these people from the dark corners of the interweb are, what they are claiming they have done and of course what did they actually do.

PS

Please don't send them to reg me
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The Ron’s Org “bridge” goes up to 40 something.
 
Type4_PTS said:
Up to OT 48 last I heard.
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Another OT level was just released last week. It is the first true OT level that has "positive gain". All the previous 48 are negative gain and merely "set-ups"!

In fact I was amongst the first completions for OT 49 and just attested to:

"I now know 48 OT Levels that don't work and
I am interested to find one that does."

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ALL of the CBR-written stuff I could find is in this thread: The Works of Captain Bill Robertson (CBR) — Excalibur, Phoenix etc.

The first post is a sort of index. It was an index with links that worked, but some board migration broke the links and I'm not about to spend a dozen hours redoing it. Almost all the linked items (lecture transcripts etc) exist in full in the thread itself. I tried to include only stuff authored by CBR, and not by Ron's Org staff.
 
Bill Ryan is the owner of a forum called Project Avalon. I think he had some Dianetic auditing in the CoS but then continued with Scientology auditing in Ron's Org. Here he says he has reached SOL 1, which he says is something like 4 levels beyond OT 16.

How the Church of Scientology declares war on ex-members

Despite having reached this stellar level he says he's never exteriorised:


This is his thread where he discusses the Free Zone and Ron's Org:

Q and A about Ron Hubbard, Bill Robertson, Scientology, the Free Zone and Ron's Org
 
All these miscellaneous upper OT levels remind me of a few guys that I ran into. One (whose name I won't put her because I don't want to give his personal info out) is someone I don't think posts here. He insists that anyone who believes in minds as brains are what he calls "meatball heads" and incapable of rational thought and that anyone who hasn't experienced the "awesome power" (or some equally pretentious phrase) of Scientology cannot comprehend it.

He frankly has a lot of long winded ways to say he is smarter than everyone else and saner. Jeffrey Augustine would say he uses a lot of tautology based statements. The statements "prove" themselves by claiming their own truth and leaving no room for disagreement, without actually proving anything.

Anyway, he insists very strongly in this alleged power of Scientology and I asked him if he had any of the telekinesis, telepathy, precognition, photographic memory, remote viewing, etc, etc that Scientology promises and he said definitely.

I informed him he could just move a penny or paperclip and PROVE it and he went on a paranoid rant about how if you did anything with your awesome OT powers it would instantly set off world war three and every government would try to kill you.


He mistakenly assumed that I was never in Scientology and also have not known any Scientologists well. I informed him that I was in Scientology for twenty five years and that there are literally thousands of ex Scientologists, like myself, who can tell you we met and even worked and at times lived with Scientologists and NONE of them EVER displayed ANY of the superpowers that Scientology guaranteed. Exactly zero, ever.

I remember several exes who lived in Clearwater or LA who told several OTs flat out, if you can move ANYTHING with your mind and I see it, I will stay, if not I am leaving. One hundred percent of the time the OT admitted they cannot move ANYTHING, have never moved anything and also never once seen anyone in Scientology move anything.

If they actually had OT powers, at some point someone would have been exposed, whether they decided to use them openly or accidentally got caught. But no one has ever been exposed because there are no OTs or OT powers to expose. It seems like the only possible explanation.

Anyway, that guy has the perfect corner to hide in. If you don't agree he just insults you, compliments himself and the facts are irrelevant. He starts out knowing he must be right and anyone and anything that disagrees is wrong, no matter what anyone or anything supports.
 
Mockingbird said:
If Bill Robertson was a Captain and Ronald Hubbard was the Commodore and David Miscavige is a fleet admiral then what are the rest of us ? Cabin boys and girls ?
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Scurvy knaves.
 
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If you've never read any Capt. Bill stuff..... you are in for a treat. Space Opera? Oh my, it's even further out than Hubbard.

And I don't say that to naysay it, it might all be true as far as I know. But if you read that stuff prepare to feel like you've been tossed in a blanket. :dizzy:
 
Mockingbird said:
I just want to understand who these people from the dark corners of the interweb are, what they are claiming they have done and of course what did they actually do.

PS

Please don't send them to reg me
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Me????
Yes!
I've completed upper levels, higher than OT16 and can confirm one can attain an unprecedented level of control over the dynamics;
For example, among my wins, and to remain in the reality you can reach, I am never out of toilet paper anymore. Neither cigs and coffee. I have plenty anytime.
However, I feel lonely since such unprecedented level of recovered thetaness has totally deprived me of any bt company.

No more friends
:confused::toodlepip:
🙄
 
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Mockingbird said:
I have realized that I have run into people who list "OT 16" as their credentials online and several are (If genuine and not trolls)people who did stuff in Scientology and have done independent Scientology or freezoner stuff too.

Assuming that they actually did some kind of courses or auditing what did they do for OT 9 - 16 ?

I feel like I found descriptions of something that someone called "the rest of the bridge" or something like that when I first left Scientology, five years ago, and this could be that, maybe? Or it could be something else ?

If anyone knows and has a simple answer that would be great.

I obviously have zero interest in doing any Scientology or independent Scientology or freezoner auditing or courses. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

I just want to understand who these people from the dark corners of the interweb are, what they are claiming they have done and of course what did they actually do.

PS

Please don't send them to reg me
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Nice, I like the consumable size of your post.

I would classify such people as merchants, They want o sell something and also have regular customers. They often believe their path is worthwhile, even though they have no particular result of noteworthy impotence. They hope to find those who support their belief, and are willing to support them in the process. This is where your own judgement comes in. Some like to call it critical thinking, I call it common sense coupled with experience. They are searching just as hard as you are for what it is all about and what it all means. They think they have found an answer, but it isn't fully fleshed out. Meaning, they believe it will go somewhere but have no certainty it will, so they invite you along for the ride to support them in their endeavor and keep them alive as well. Telling you they have achieved something remarkable is called marketing. They want support for their , not-so-fully-fleshed-out-belief, and invite you, in a not-very-straight-forward-manner, to believe they are onto something, hoping you will agree. Or, they are just a con.

What you need to figure out, is if they are full of shit, or not, and whether their claim is credible. Sometimes hard, but sometimes easy task. That's my buck and a quarter.
 
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