Revisiting OTVIII . . . what, again??!! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I ran across this Underground Bunker article, while looking for something else.
It is just fascinating. Worth revisiting or worth a look if you haven't read it yet.

The writer, Steve Hall, is a very credible source. Made some intriguing reveals.
​
"Several years ago we came to the opposite conclusion, that the notorious document, which was used briefly by the Church of Scientology in 1988 before being abandoned, was actually intended by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard to be a shocking revelation to his followers that he considered himself the Antichrist. The church has called the document a hoax. But was it? Hall sent us this stunning account of how he ran into that document while he was working at Scientology’s secretive Int Base near Hemet, California — and that he also witnessed another contested work by Hubbard, the “Affirmations.” We knew you’d want to see his recollections!"​
Tony Ortega​
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More proof that L. Ron Hubbard really did want Scientologists to consider him the Antichrist

My takeaway, as always, was that everyone on the "upper floors" saw a lot of stuff they weren't supposed
to see and read a lot of stuff they weren't supposed to read. However, they toiled on despite knowing many
of the undeniable lies and ridiculous shore stories that got invented around the time of the early eighties
trials surrounding Hubbard's secret "personal papers" and then after his death.

How can one not see the lies when one is swimming in a river of lies? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Then one day some post on happenings on INT Base, a poster added that a CSW was on lines with several attachments.

ONE of the attachments was this document that Hubbard was the anti-Christ.

I was always in denial that it could be true thinking it to be impossible.
But when I read how it was part of an INT Base CSW, I had a paradigm shift.

George White tells the entire story of the original OT VIII in 3 parts.
 
I ran across this Underground Bunker article, while looking for something else.
It is just fascinating. Worth revisiting or worth a look if you haven't read it yet.

The writer, Steve Hall, is a very credible source. Made some intriguing reveals.
​
"Several years ago we came to the opposite conclusion, that the notorious document, which was used briefly by the Church of Scientology in 1988 before being abandoned, was actually intended by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard to be a shocking revelation to his followers that he considered himself the Antichrist. The church has called the document a hoax. But was it? Hall sent us this stunning account of how he ran into that document while he was working at Scientology’s secretive Int Base near Hemet, California — and that he also witnessed another contested work by Hubbard, the “Affirmations.” We knew you’d want to see his recollections!"​
Tony Ortega​
​
More proof that L. Ron Hubbard really did want Scientologists to consider him the Antichrist

My takeaway, as always, was that everyone on the "upper floors" saw a lot of stuff they weren't supposed
to see and read a lot of stuff they weren't supposed to read. However, they toiled on despite knowing many
of the undeniable lies and ridiculous shore stories that got invented around the time of the early eighties
trials surrounding Hubbard's secret "personal papers" and then after his death.

How can one not see the lies when one is swimming in a river of lies? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


I am curious to read that story by Hall.

But, the first time I read that "version" of OT VIII (online) I had to stop on the point where Hubbard claims he is the "ANTI-CHRIST". By itself that made no sense at all. Appears mental.

Because Hubbard also said: "...the man on the cross, there was no Christ". (make up your mind, buddha!)

This seems like an outstanding showcase for the Hubbard Law of Commotion.

It also seems like the recipe of an insane con man who wants others to have similar "wins" to his own.

All things considered, the entire Scientology experience was hideous. LOL. Sure I had some really fun times when i was in but that doesn't mean it wasn't nonetheless hideous, right?

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I am curious to read that story by Hall.

But, the first time I read that "version" of OT VIII (online) I had to stop on the point where Hubbard claims he is the "ANTI-CHRIST". By itself that made no sense at all. Appears mental.

Was the anti-c statement a metaphor? Who knows?

When I got to JC loved young men I thought Why would anyone even say that? So weird to mention it, even if true.

The part that got me, and is never mentioned by anyone I've seen, is the sci-fi stuff. The second coming and all that, as ordered by forces outside MEST, (ie a religious duty? Shades of the Fremen in Dune). And that something about all this has to do with human genetics. And that LRH said a solo auditor can manipulate his DNA!

Say what?
 
Was the anti-c statement a metaphor? Who knows?

When I got to JC loved young men I thought Why would anyone even say that? So weird to mention it, even if true.

The part that got me, and is never mentioned by anyone I've seen, is the sci-fi stuff. The second coming and all that, as ordered by forces outside MEST, (ie a religious duty? Shades of the Fremen in Dune). And that something about all this has to do with human genetics. And that LRH said a solo auditor can manipulate his DNA!

Say what?

I've never done that, but I imagine all the solo auditing and BT stuff must have been a *blast*.


- We are ready to release OT IX!

- Oh goodie, do we find out about the DNA manipulation now?
- Well no, at this level you still need to get rid of the BTs that are stuck to your pterygoid.
- But I don't have a pterygoid.
- Then you must have had one in a past life. Now get to it!
 
My takeaway, as always, was that everyone on the "upper floors" saw a lot of stuff they weren't supposed
to see and read a lot of stuff they weren't supposed to read. However, they toiled on despite knowing many
of the undeniable lies and ridiculous shore stories that got invented around the time of the early eighties
trials surrounding Hubbard's secret "personal papers" and then after his death.
Final word from Marty:
"When we had confiscated all of L. Ron Hubbard’s remaining papers, including
his own personal counseling folders, and they had been gone through with a
fine-toothed comb
, there was no sign of any OT levels above OT VIII."

And about the Broeker "Loyal Officer" issue:
". . . the one, single scrap of paper Ron had left behind for issuance
was broadly published . . ."

Source: Marty's Book III :coolwink:
 
Was the anti-c(hrist) statement a metaphor? Who knows?

When I got to JC loved young men I thought Why would anyone even say that? So weird to mention it, even if true.

If JC was "...a lover of young men", then ladies and gentlemen of the jury I want to stipulate that LRH was a "defrauder-abuser-enslaver of young men". He didn't think of it that way, he preferred to call it the "Sea Org" or "International Management" or "parishioners".

And when Hubbard threw that little 4 year old boy in a dark chain locker where he cried hysterically for days---I believe that proves Ron did not love that little boy---so he was not a lover of young boys. If anyone has a problem with what the all-knowing Hubbard did by terrorizing that small kid, I must respectfully remind you that Ron said he was "Mankind's Greatest Friend" and not "Childkind's Greatest Friend".

As far as the anti-christ story, I don't think that was a metaphor. I also do not think that "engrams" as the single cause of all human suffering was a metaphor either.

ps: When Rathbun was going thru one of his particularly disturbing COGNITION DISSONANCE LYING STAGES, when he was c/sing "indie" scientologists to do OT III--he gave a radio interview where he bizarrely claimed that the Xenu story (BTs and all) was really just an allegory. How insane is it that he would be so deranged that he would think people would believe that ludicrous new fraud attempting to cover the old fraud (OT III)?

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<snippity-snip>

How can one not see the lies when one is swimming in a river of lies? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This reminded me of a classic hippie song from the '60s:


Lyrics:
The Fugs - Wide, Wide River lyrics



(gospel sound)
River of shit,
River of shit,
Flow on, flow on, river of shit,
Right from my toes,
On up to my nose,
Flow on, flow on, river of shit.

(transition to Rock)
I've been swimming In this river of shit,
More than 20 years, and I'm getting tired of it,
Don't like swimming, hope it'll soon run dry,
Got to go on swimming, cause I don't want to die.

(spoken with gospel sound in background):
Who dealt this mess, anyway?
Yea, it's an old card player's term,
but sometimes you can use the old switcheroo and it can be applied to ...
Frontal politics
What I mean is ...
Who was it that set up a system,
supposedly democratic system,
Where you end up always voting for the lesser of two evils?
I mean, Was George Washington the lesser of two evils?
Sometimes I wonder ...
You got some guy that says
"For God sake, we've got to stop having violence in this country."
While he's spending 16,000 dollars a second snuffing gooks.

(gospel sound musical ending with:
A wiiiiiiiiiiiiide, big brown river, yea, bringing health, wealth, and prosperity to every man, women, and child.
 
I am curious to read that story by Hall.

But, the first time I read that "version" of OT VIII (online) I had to stop on the point where Hubbard claims he is the "ANTI-CHRIST". By itself that made no sense at all. Appears mental.

Because Hubbard also said: "...the man on the cross, there was no Christ". (make up your mind, buddha!)

This seems like an outstanding showcase for the Hubbard Law of Commotion.

It also seems like the recipe of an insane con man who wants others to have similar "wins" to his own.

All things considered, the entire Scientology experience was hideous. LOL. Sure I had some really fun times when i was in but that doesn't mean it wasn't nonetheless hideous, right?

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Perfect! (y):screwy:
 
A good friend of mine who did this "First edition" of OT VIII had a full blown mental breakdown immediately on return.
She slowly recovered and became a Buddhist.

There were other disastrous results. Hastily OT VIII was re-written minus the anti-Christ issue and all OT VIIIs were re-called to Freewinds. Most of those first edition OT 8s long since departed the cult.

Of course the cult were not going to blame the weird and bizarre anti Christ writing of Hubbard.
No, a WHO had to be found.

In a scramble to point the finger and Blame Blame Blame the OT 8 CS (Case Supervisor) for original OT 8s Laura Wolfe was found to be the WHO !
She was summoned to INT Base for INT base torture.
She died off 6 months later. RIP Laura

Laura 3rd from right in blue dress at my wedding.




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I'm interested in obtaining the full set of issues for the Original OT VIII -- not just the first one (HCO B 5 MAY 1980).

Does anybody out there have a copy of these?

Helena
 
The excitement is palpable.
Nothwithstanding that it has cost about $1 million to reach this pinnacle.
All security checks for OT VIII are complete.
RTC and OSA have given *clearance*.
They alone deem whether you are *fit* and *eligible* for higher spiritual enlightenment. LOLOLOLOL
You have been accepted for the level. oh my.
As you retire in your cabin for the night, and invitation gets slipped under your cabin door, officially inviting you to OT VIII.
It is expensive, it has gold leaf and a lot of symbology. It doesn't look like a wedding invitation, but it looks like it is an invite for something *ELITE*
You will be part of the INNER CIRCLE of attaining OT VIII !
The invite is opened with orgasmic pleasure. The ecstacy of spending $1 million for this invitation. Whew.
(I have received the entire OT VIII procedures ~~ all 5 versions Emailed to me.) So I write with confidence ....
In a couple of days you will attest ~~
I NOW KNOW WHO I AM NOT, AND AM INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT WHO I AM.
Whoopee Doooo.

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Although Hubbard made 2 apparently contradictory claims (i.e. "there was no Christ" and that he was the "Anti-Christ") there is yet another third dimension of contradictions.

wiki: "In Christian eschatology, the Antichrist, or anti-Christ, is a person prophesied by the Bible to oppose Christ and substitute himself in Christ's place before the Second Coming. The term (including one plural form)[1] is found five times in the New Testament, solely in the First and Second Epistle of John.[2] The Antichrist is announced as the one "who denies the Father and the Son."[3]​

There are innumerable scholarly references that equate the term "anti-christ" with false messiah. (wiki: "The Greek term antikhristos originates in 1 John.[9] The similar term pseudokhristos ("False Messiah") is also first found in the New Testament...). Hubbard was certainly that! Because he claimed that HE was the Messiah on this slave planet and in fact, for "this sector" of the universe. So in this sense. Hubbard would have had the "quals" to be given a super-sized completion certificate as the "ANTI-CHRIST".

And because the anti-christ is the one who "denies the Father and the son", let's upgrade Ron once again to a GARGANTUAN-LY JUMBO-SIZED completion certificate!

But wait does Hubbard really get to attest to being the anti-christ? Let's examine further the requirements as laid down by certain religious scholars. It's called "THE 10 CHARACTERISTICS OF THE ANTI-CHRIST" which soundly suspiciously like an amalgam of the characteristics of an Anti-Messiah-ologist Personality---and, the 10 points of Keeping Anti-Christs Working.

We are now going to check the e-meter to scientifically determine the truth of whether LRH is the Anti-Christ!

link to original article:
1) He Claims to be God and is Worshiped: (F/N) OTs can potentially become Gods. But Ron is the only full OT. Ergo he is the only God.
2) He Will Blaspheme God Revelations: (F/N). "There is no Christ", "Heaven is an implant", et al.
3) He Will Display Miraculous Powers: (F/N) Making people forfeit all their money and time for a ludicrous sci-fi hoax is a small miracle. However, getting them to have hugely euphoric wins on magical powers that they didn't get is a Hall of Fame gold medal winner in the Hoax Olympics!
4) The Anti-Christ Comes Back to Life: (small F/N) No worries--Ron's en route. He's just running slightly late, due to intergalactic traffic.
5) The Anti-Christ Rules in Full Authority. (F/N). Adults disconnecting from their spouse, children and relatives simply because a severely mentally ill con man dressed in a fake naval costume who is hiding in a bluebird motorhome ordered them to do so? Did anyone need more examples?
6) The Anti-Christ Will Control the World’s Economy: (TBD). Whomever controls the US economy controls the world economy. In another week (when everyone's schedule loosens up), we will give AOC a metered after-election exam. Kindly recall that Dr. Hubbard guaranteed in 1986 when he temporarily routed off lines that he would return as "a politician". AOC was born in 1989, so let's not deny the science!
7) The Anti-Christ Desecrates God’s Temple Jesus: (F/N). Ron's wholetrack research discovered that not only was Jesus NOT the savior, Jesus was an implant used to un-save people into slavery.
8) The Anti-Christ’s Attempted Destruction of Israel: (UNDER REVIEW) Currently being confirmed, but we are temporarily going to give Dr. Hubbard the affirmative nod on it because 51% of religious scholars are convinced that Ron's orders to have DMSMH translated into Hebrew and to open missions in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and send OT celebrities there was calculated to destroy Israel.
9) Causes Earth’s Armies to Fight Against Christ: (F/N). In 2020 the largest standing army in the world is China with 2 million active military personnel. However Scientology, by their own scientific census records has over 15 million active and fanatical scientological soldiers in a war to conquer all of earth's people and countries. Each territory (as it is conquered) is "cleared" of all references to Christ and his R6 implant dramatizations.
10) Final Destiny in Lake of Fire: (F/N). here was a slight variance in translating this religious passage from it's original language (Scientologese). A panel of linguistic experts unanimously agreed that the confusion resulted from Dr. Hubbard's revelation that the SEA (not "lake") ORG was salvaging mankind from a Wall of Fire.

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My takeaway, as always, was that everyone on the "upper floors" saw a lot of stuff they weren't supposed
to see and read a lot of stuff they weren't supposed to read. However, they toiled on despite knowing many
of the undeniable lies and ridiculous shore stories that got invented around the time of the early eighties
trials surrounding Hubbard's secret "personal papers" and then after his death.
Perhaps my overly-nuanced point could be a bit too vague. I'll explain.

I contend that everyone on the "upper floors" -- the top SO management of Scientology -- saw a lot of stuff they weren't supposed
to see, read a lot of stuff they weren't supposed to read, and heard a hell of a lot during water cooler conversations over twenty years.

For example, Steve Hall wrote:

"One night, round about the year 2000 or so, we arrived in the CMO Int Conference room. COB came in followed by Marc Yager, CO CMO Int, and the other usual suspects like COB Secretary (Laurisse “Lou” Henley-Smith), ED Int (Guillaume Lesevre) etc."​

That night, Steve got to see the infamous "OT8 document" and discuss it in the open with the group.

"The Cabal" ran in a pack, lived together, and worked together for decades. Back in the early eighties, some of the top execs and members of The Cabal were: Marc Yager, Norman Starkey, Ray Mithoff, Mark Ingber, Greg Wilhere, Guillaume Lesevre, Marty Rathbun, among many others. You don't see or hear from them anymore.

Steve Hall, more of a worker-bee speech writer in marketing, got to read more revealing stuff, some of it by accident:
​
"Incidentally, I was also one of the lucky few who actually got to read Danny Sherman’s unpublished LRH biography which admitted that Hubbard had been married to two women at the same time and other such-like problematic issues, which poor Danny did his best to explain away."​
​
"For example, in the late 1990s I happened upon a paper copy of Hubbard’s damning “Affirmations” document of self-hypnosis from the late 1940s . . . ."​

That's what happens in a workplace. There are no secrets and rumors are unstoppable. You eventually hear about and learn about everything.

Now years ago, I listened to about twenty hours of Michael Flynn's (attorney in the Armstrong cases re: LRH's private papers) various talks from the early 80's about what he had read and uncovered regarding LRH. Flynn got to go over most all of LRH's personal papers with a fine-toothed comb and knew them cold. Many of the papers were in LRH's handwriting or signed by LRH.

I found some of the stuff Flynn talked about shocking to horrifying. I was still in a semi-believer state of mind. It's always a pretty bad day when you realize you've definitely wasted a large chunk of your youthful years following a fraud. A true dark night of the soul.

Well, many of LRH's secrets and crimes were out in the open and I've got to think most of The Cabal saw or heard about all those materials and knew much of the truth. But The Cabal soldiered on.

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The Cabal -- We had to cover up a hell of a lot over twenty
years to successfully amass $3 billion in our financial fraud. ​

Likewise, when LRH died from an assisted suicide -- don't say it wasn't -- there was a whole other layer of LRH reveals that surfaced and The Cabal learned about, discussed and had to cover up. This would include no OT8, which Mithoff had to invent, and no upper OT levels, which I wrote about in a post above. LRH's dementia and descent into madness. But The Cabal soldiered on.

I guess that's why I wrote my opening post. I thought Steve Hall provided a wonderful example of how the "word got around" and that the "upper floor" of Sea Org management all knew quite a lot and had to hide quite a lot.

Now here's just one example, a personal example, of what I mean.

In the early 90's, I got a letter on RTC letterhead (Marty Rathbun was head of RTC) asking me to prepay $32,000 [$65,000 in 2020 dollars] for a limitied-time-deal, discounted OT 9&10 package. However, Marty knew something I didn't.

By 1988, Marty along with Monique Yingling, Greg Whilhere, Miscavige, six armed PIs, and quite a few others had raided LRH’s former ranch at Newbury Springs -- their 3rd raid on Broeker haunts -- and absconded with a treasure trove of LRH’s auditing folders and research notes. Marty and the other senior execs would have, should have known by then (with total certainty I’m guessing) that OT 9 & 10 didn’t exist in any way, shape or form. Also, that the promises of the upper bridge were essentially unachieved, so essentially a fraud, and that LRH came to ignoble ending -- per anecdotes by witnesses and probably by folder inspection.

Who else was part of that raid and knew the “truth” at the time?

Why did Marty and the other members of The Cabal sit on this information and not go public then? Seems like this was a pretty important revelation. What kind of person knows the truth, yet reges for more money for "vapor-ware OT levels?" Should tell you all you need to know about the black hearts of Marty and some others.

I contend this pattern of deceit and fraud was a known thing among many on the "upper floors" for decades. Hence, The Cabal.

Just like the whole Bernie Madoff Ponzi scheme and fraud was a known thing among many on his "upper floors" for decades.

I've written about this many times over the years. Why?

One, I just can't imagine the mindset of someone who would learn the truth and not become a whistle-blower or at least not leave immediately.

I had two events come up in my scientology career that crossed the line for me. Both times, I stood firm, put a stake in the ground, and spoke truth to power. The second time is when I left for good. (Sorry, I can't say more without possibly identifying myself.)

Two, new people come by now and then and need to know about all this. Our passing parade of new folks checking in. Maybe they'll run across this thread. Maybe some will be saved from second-mortgaging their homes and having to pay it off for decades.

I'm OK. I got out early enough to rebuild a good life. I know others who haven't. It's a sad thing.
 
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I'm interested in obtaining the full set of issues for the Original OT VIII -- not just the first one (HCO B 5 MAY 1980).

Does anybody out there have a copy of these?

Helena

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I regrettably HAD copies of the original OT VIII materials. Damn!

However, after completing OT VIII the C/S determined that I still had a little unhandled case. Thus I was put back on OT VII and all my remaining BTs who had read that OT VIII material blew. I personally have a faulty memory (I guess due to blowing my bank's "machinery") but if any of my former BTs were here today they could easily recite the original materials verbatim because Clears have perfect memory.

To try to help you, I just put out a telepathic message into deep space that there was a "mandatory briefing" of all my former BTs and when some of them report back in, I'll forward their contact information to you.

:hattip:

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Perhaps my overly-nuanced point could be a bit too vague. I'll explain.

I contend that everyone on the "upper floors" -- the top SO management of Scientology -- saw a lot of stuff they weren't supposed
to see, read a lot of stuff they weren't supposed to read, and heard a hell of a lot during water cooler conversations over twenty years.

For example, Steve Hall wrote:

"One night, round about the year 2000 or so, we arrived in the CMO Int Conference room. COB came in followed by Marc Yager, CO CMO Int, and the other usual suspects like COB Secretary (Laurisse “Lou” Henley-Smith), ED Int (Guillaume Lesevre) etc."​

That night, Steve got to see the infamous "OT8 document" and discuss it in the open with the group.

"The Cabal" ran in a pack, lived together, and worked together for decades. Back in the early eighties, some of the top execs and members of The Cabal were: Marc Yager, Norman Starkey, Ray Mithoff, Mark Ingber, Greg Wilhere, Guillaume Lesevre, Marty Rathbun, among many others. You don't see or hear from them anymore.

Steve Hall, more of a worker-bee speech writer in marketing, got to read more revealing stuff, some of it by accident:
​
"Incidentally, I was also one of the lucky few who actually got to read Danny Sherman’s unpublished LRH biography which admitted that Hubbard had been married to two women at the same time and other such-like problematic issues, which poor Danny did his best to explain away."​
​
"For example, in the late 1990s I happened upon a paper copy of Hubbard’s damning “Affirmations” document of self-hypnosis from the late 1940s . . . ."​

That's what happens in a workplace. There are no secrets and rumors are unstoppable. You eventually hear about and learn about everything.

Now years ago, I listened to about twenty hours of Michael Flynn's (attorney in the Armstrong cases re: LRH's private papers) various talks from the early 80's about what he had read and uncovered regarding LRH. Flynn got to go over most all of LRH's personal papers with a fine-toothed comb and knew them cold. Many of the papers were in LRH's handwriting or signed by LRH.

I found some of the stuff Flynn talked about shocking to horrifying. I was still in a semi-believer state of mind. It's always a pretty bad day when you realize you've definitely wasted a large chunk of your youthful years following a fraud. A true dark night of the soul.

Well, many of LRH's secrets and crimes were out in the open and I've got to think most of The Cabal saw or heard about all those materials and knew much of the truth. But The Cabal soldiered on.

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The Cabal -- We had to cover up a hell of a lot over twenty
years to successfully amass $3 billion in our financial fraud. ​

Likewise, when LRH died from an assisted suicide -- don't say it wasn't -- there was a whole other layer of LRH reveals that surfaced and The Cabal learned about, discussed and had to cover up. This would include no OT8, which Mithoff had to invent, and no upper OT levels, which I wrote about in a post above. LRH's dementia and descent into madness. But The Cabal soldiered on.

I guess that's why I wrote my opening post. I thought Steve Hall provided a wonderful example of how the "word got around" and that the "upper floor" of Sea Org management all knew quite a lot and had to hide quite a lot.

Now here's just one example, a personal example, of what I mean.

In the early 90's, I got a letter on RTC letterhead (Marty Rathbun was head of RTC) asking me to prepay $32,000 [$65,000 in 2020 dollars] for a limitied-time-deal, discounted OT 9&10 package. However, Marty knew something I didn't.

By 1988, Marty along with Monique Yingling, Greg Whilhere, Miscavige, six armed PIs, and quite a few others had raided LRH’s former ranch at Newbury Springs -- their 3rd raid on Broeker haunts -- and absconded with a treasure trove of LRH’s auditing folders and research notes. Marty and the other senior execs would have, should have known by then (with total certainty I’m guessing) that OT 9 & 10 didn’t exist in any way, shape or form. Also, that the promises of the upper bridge were essentially unachieved, so essentially a fraud, and that LRH came to ignoble ending -- per anecdotes by witnesses and probably by folder inspection.

Who else was part of that raid and knew the “truth” at the time?

Why did he and the other members of The Cabal sit on this information and not go public then? Seems like this was a pretty important revelation. Why kind of person knows the truth, yet reges for more money for "vapor-ware OT levels." Should tell you all you need to know about the black hearts of Marty and some others.

I contend this pattern of deceit and fraud was a known thing among many on the "upper floors" for decades. Hence, The Cabal.

Just like the whole Bernie Madoff Ponzi scheme and fraud was a known thing among many on his "upper floors" for decades.

I've written about this many times over the years. Why?

One, I just can't imagine the mindset of someone who would learn the truth and not become a whistle-blower or at least not leave immediately.

I had two events come up in my scientology career that crossed the line for me. Both times, I stood firm, put a stake in the ground, and spoke truth to power. The second time is when I left for good. (Sorry, can't say more without possibly identifying myself.)

Two, new people come by now and then and need to know about all this. Our passing parade of new folks checking in. Maybe they'll run across this thread. Maybe some will be saved from second-mortgaging their homes and having to pay it off for decades.

I'm OK. I got out early enough to rebuild a good life. I know others who haven't. It's a sad thing.


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One of the most insightfully direct and irrefutably illuminating posts (ever) whether on ESMB or any other Scn-related website.

It drives a stake of finality into the heart of the beast that is Scientology's pathological lying, cheating and avariciously "tricking" treachery.

SUPER SPOILER: Scientology was forever in its inception and propagation, evermore, an intentionally cruel hoax. From "engram" to "BT" and beyond---it never had any technology to "totally free" anyone of anything except their money and freedom.

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I can retire from posting now! :LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:
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LOL!!!

Damn, damn, damn---shoulda used a half-ack!!!

I have no idea why I didn't use that full OT power I gained from that half-assed cult.

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