Kelly Preston has passed away

Crap......another BSD show......
What do you mean Lee? What is BDS?
I have a right to have an opinion and a right to defend myself if I get attacked like I did from Lone Star.
You contributed to the motion and then you “like “ posts that contradict Lone Stars attack.
Why don’t you pick a side and stick with it.
As L RON Hubbard says, you are acting 1.1 on the Tone Scale. It’s confusing.
Explain yourself please.
 
Oh man, that's sad. Ugh. I feel sad in many ways. Sorry JT.
“Sorry JT”?
I have to say Dotey, I really like your posts. I find it absolutely baffling how you feel sorry for John Travolta?
You have every right to feel the way you do and I don’t Want you to feel bad but I am going to talk about that elephant In the room.
John Travolta has lured people into Scientology and kept them there. He and his 2-D have given millions to the cult and participated in propaganda films for the front groups of this evil cult.
Lives have been destroyed.
I don’t get it. Would love to hear your explanation without calling me names or attacking me. I don’t see you doing that to people on this board so I am hopeful that won’t happen here. I am trying to understand this sympathy for these evil people that support a destructive, evil cult. Would you be so kind to enlighten me on how you feel?
 
That is completely wrong, sorry mate.
Thank you for the apology. Why did you feel the need to get involved to assist Lone Star in his attacks? Did I do something to you?
 
Thank you for the apology. Why did you feel the need to get involved to assist Lone Star in his attacks? Did I do something to you?
I have got no idea why you keep insisting that I have assisted Lone Star. Where did you get that idea, it's completely and utterly untrue.
 
What do you mean Lee? What is BDS?
I have a right to have an opinion and a right to defend myself if I get attacked like I did from Lone Star.
You contributed to the motion and then you “like “ posts that contradict Lone Stars attack.
Why don’t you pick a side and stick with it.
As L RON Hubbard says, you are acting 1.1 on the Tone Scale. It’s confusing.
Explain yourself please.
Here is how I feel about myself. I feel like I am a person of goodwill. I generally go out of my way to help someone that appreciates my help. I sometimes just volunteer. I have loaned money, given it away to folks that appeared in need. It's not like I go around doing this, but I do help. I don't try to hurt others. I generally try to be a contributing citizen. Sometimes that can be hard to do. I could do better as well.

I was involved in scn for just short of thirty years. I tried to assist the thing that appeared to have as it's purpose helping others. I did quite a bit to get people on and through their services. I did this inside and outside the church. I supported those that gave massive amounts to the choich, and thought all along I was helping. I also turned people away from things such as this board, to help them avoid the lies. I am sure there are others here wit such stories, or worse.

Long story, but I came to find out I was helping something that didn't deserve my help. I contributed to people being in the cult and furthered their blindness. I hurt people through my assistance, even though I thought I was helping.

When I say I am sorry for JT, I am sorry for anyone that has lost a spouse, partner or whatever. I have had that happen, and it ain't fun.

I do not know JT, I do not know his heart, I do not know what he knows. For someone here to say they do know what he knows is probably a fallacy.

This whole scientology mess isn't crystal clear, as the majority of posts on this board shows.
 
Here is how I feel about myself. I feel like I am a person of goodwill. I generally go out of my way to help someone that appreciates my help. I sometimes just volunteer. I have loaned money, given it away to folks that appeared in need. It's not like I go around doing this, but I do help. I don't try to hurt others. I generally try to be a contributing citizen. Sometimes that can be hard to do. I could do better as well.

I was involved in scn for just short of thirty years. I tried to assist the thing that appeared to have as it's purpose helping others. I did quite a bit to get people on and through their services. I did this inside and outside the church. I supported those that gave massive amounts to the choich, and thought all along I was helping. I also turned people away from things such as this board, to help them avoid the lies. I am sure there are others here wit such stories, or worse.

Long story, but I came to find out I was helping something that didn't deserve my help. I contributed to people being in the cult and furthered their blindness. I hurt people through my assistance, even though I thought I was helping.

When I say I am sorry for JT, I am sorry for anyone that has lost a spouse, partner or whatever. I have had that happen, and it ain't fun.

I do not know JT, I do not know his heart, I do not know what he knows. For someone here to say they do know what he knows is probably a fallacy.

This whole scientology mess isn't crystal clear, as the majority of posts on this board shows.
Thank you for your sincere answer.

Do you feel the need to stop Scientology from harming people?
 
@The Oracle , LS has bouts of anger every now and then. We're all kind of used to it. He's mellowed out a whole bunch, but when he goes off, it's never in a minor way even if it's a minor thing. He contributes a lot, as do you, but he is the way he is. Please don't take it too personally.

I believe your point was that she was probably desperately trying to cure herself of cancer with Scientology. JT should have known better after losing his son, but there's no predicting how involved cult members can be.

I think celebrities are particularly vulnerable to blackmail by the cult of Scientology and terrified of being destroyed by the secrets they reveal in session. To the best of my knowledge, JT was not nearly as lacking in compassion as Tom Cruise. JT was kind to many celebrity Scientologists who have since become exes and hasn't apparently disconnected from them. I've heard some good stories about JT. He is not heartless. I don't know a thing about Kelly Preston, but JT stuck it out in the marriage, which is more than most celebrities or Scientologists do, so there is that.
 
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The Oracle, LS has bouts of anger every now and then. We're all kind of used to it. He's mellowed out a whole bunch, but when he goes off, it's never in a minor way even if it's a minor thing. He contributes a lot, as do you, but he is the way he is. Please don't take it too personally.

I believe your point was that she was probably desperately trying to cure herself of cancer with Scientology. JT should have known better after losing his son, but there's no predicting how involved cult members can be.

I think celebrities are particularly vulnerable to blackmail by the cult of Scientology and terrified of being destroyed by the secrets they reveal in session. To the best of my knowledge, JT was not nearly as lacking in compassion as Tom Cruise. JT was kind to many celebrity Scientologists who have since become exes and hasn't apparently disconnected from them. I've heard some good stories about JT. He is not heartless. I don't know a thing about Kelly Preston, but JT stuck it out in the marriage, which is more than most celebrities or Scientologists do, so there is that.
Jesus! I have asked 'The Oracle' to remove the reference to my PM's in his post and now you've gone and re-posted it, so that's blown that out of the water. The Oracle has had plenty of time to do what I have kindly asked him/her to do and hasn't done it. Too late now.

As far as Lone Star is concerned I wouldn't piss on the cunt if he was on fire, but I'm beginning to wonder if he hasn't got a point. Rule 4 of the board says the subject of PM's should remain private.
 
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The Oracle, LS has bouts of anger every now and then. We're all kind of used to it. He's mellowed out a whole bunch, but when he goes off, it's never in a minor way even if it's a minor thing. He contributes a lot, as do you, but he is the way he is. Please don't take it too personally.

I believe your point was that she was probably desperately trying to cure herself of cancer with Scientology. JT should have known better after losing his son, but there's no predicting how involved cult members can be.

I think celebrities are particularly vulnerable to blackmail by the cult of Scientology and terrified of being destroyed by the secrets they reveal in session. To the best of my knowledge, JT was not nearly as lacking in compassion as Tom Cruise. JT was kind to many celebrity Scientologists who have since become exes and hasn't apparently disconnected from them. I've heard some good stories about JT. He is not heartless. I don't know a thing about Kelly Preston, but JT stuck it out in the marriage, which is more than most celebrities or Scientologists do, so there is that.


Scn celebrities are a mixed bag of wildly creative, hyper-focused, brilliantly talented artists, loving, fun, dedicated folks trying to bring additional luster and success and happiness into their personal lives. And at the same time if the cult of Scientology types a few words on a piece of goldenrod paper about their best friends, spouses, family, parents or kids---they can just as easily disconnect, defame, degrade, betray, attack and fair game anyone at any time on any cult whim.

Cults often make people (celebrities or otherwise) into obedient little irrational, paranoid and vicious predators when the truth about cult crimes begins to leak out desperation sets in with cult leaders. The celebrities are a little "special forces unit" that the cult can deploy to either make their cult seem safe and shiny OR to hurt people who don't "agree", "believe" or "obey".

Mostly, in my experience with cult celebrities and VIPs and whales, is that they are both:

1. OBLIVIOUS ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING INSIDE THE CULT.
2. PURPOSELY REFUSE TO LISTEN OR UNDERSTAND OR INQUIRE ABOUT CULT CRIMES, ABUSE AND TERRORISM EVEN WHEN IT IS BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION.

They are, in the end, just another species of "useful idiots" that the cult has orbiting their toxic planet.

The cult has acquired certain skills in "managing" these assets, which walks the tightrope between keeping them F/Ning and alternately burning out their celebrity cachet, currency and fan base by using them as shills and attack dogs (e.g. - see Tom Cruise videos with Matt Lauer or giving sector-salvaging KSW sermons to the faithful).

By and large Scientology celebs, despite any and all of their lovely and good qualities are incredibly, incredibly, incredibly dumb with blind spots so wide that dozens of Venusian freight trains can easily rumble thru their vacuous grinning minds without once bumping into common sense.


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Jesus! I have asked 'The Oracle' to remove the reference to my PM's in his post and now you've gone and re-posted it, so that's blown that out of the water. The Oracle has had plenty of time to do what I have kindly asked him/her to do and hasn't done it. Too late now.

As far as Lone Star is concerned I wouldn't piss on the cunt if he was on fire, but I'm beginning to wonder if he hasn't got a point. Rule 4 of the board says the subject of PM's should remain private. DOH!
Calm down. I was at work. I don’t sit on this board 24-7. Rule #1 say - respect others. I was not trying to do anything to hurt you So please be patient.
 
Scn celebrities are a mixed bag of wildly creative, hyper-focused, brilliantly talented artists, loving, fun, dedicated folks trying to bring additional luster and success and happiness into their personal lives. And at the same time if the cult of Scientology types a few words on a piece of goldenrod paper about their best friends, spouses, family, parents or kids---they can just as easily disconnect, defame, degrade, betray, attack and fair game anyone at any time on any cult whim.

Cults often make people (celebrities or otherwise) into obedient little irrational, paranoid and vicious predators when the truth about cult crimes begins to leak out desperation sets in with cult leaders. The celebrities are a little "special forces unit" that the cult can deploy to either make their cult seem safe and shiny OR to hurt people who don't "agree", "believe" or "obey".

Mostly, in my experience with cult celebrities and VIPs and whales, is that they are both:

1. OBLIVIOUS ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING INSIDE THE CULT.
2. PURPOSELY REFUSE TO LISTEN OR UNDERSTAND OR INQUIRE ABOUT CULT CRIMES, ABUSE AND TERRORISM EVEN WHEN IT IS BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION.

They are, in the end, just another species of "useful idiots" that the cult has orbiting their toxic planet.

The cult has acquired certain skills in "managing" these assets, which walks the tightrope between keeping them F/Ning and alternately burning out their celebrity cachet, currency and fan base by using them as shills and attack dogs (see Tom Cruise video with Matt Lauer or giving sector-salvaging KSW sermons to the faithful.

By and large Scientology celebs, despite any and all of their lovely and good qualities are incredibly, incredibly, incredibly dumb with blind spots so wide that dozens of Venusian freight trains can easily rumble thru their vacuous grinning minds without once bumping into common sense.


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So be honest. Were you feeling sad for JT when you heard his 2-D died so young of cancer?
OR Was there a little part of you that thought.
The sooner these Hard core cult celebs die off ... the sooner we can get Scientology off the planet”
and so on and so forth

ME - I really loathe those people. I hate how they keep the show on the road.
 
@The Oracle.

Some info for you ... You may or may not know that there was a poster a long time ago who used the very same name that you are using ... there was always an excessive amount of drama and argument around her and when you first began posting here I assumed you were the same poster and I was a little bit wary. I imagine a few others were too. I'm only mentioning this now to let you know that that may explain any resistance you have felt from a few people.

:)
 
So be honest. Were you feeling sad for JT when you heard his 2-D died so young of cancer?
OR Was there a little part of you that thought.
The sooner these Hard core cult celebs die off ... the sooner we can get Scientology off the planet”
and so on and so forth

ME - I really loathe those people. I hate how they keep the show on the road.
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In their own way, all the cult's mega-celebs (if they don't figure it out first and escape) eventually end up like their savior, Dr Hubbard. Each celeb ultimately wins a customized "Blue Bird Motorhome" to go on the run away from something chasing and gaining on them in their rearview mirror (reality).

It's only a matter of time. The only question is how many outrageous lies and crimes does a particular celebrity require to figure out they they are nothing more than a "usefully idiotic" mark inside an "SP's" hoax.

It would be fun to have a photograph of every Scientology celebrity's "passed" CLAY DEMO when they did the PTS/SP course, showing how they can standardly detect and shatter SPs and 1.1s and other sociopathic predators. Like everything else in Scientology, they can do the clay demo but they can't do what the clay demo says to do.

Okay, having said that, all Scientologists present should now rise and face the wall photos of the Commodore/COB--and applaud them for helping train them how how to detect all evil 1.1 "SPs" on this planet--except the Commodore/COB.

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ME - I really loathe those people. I hate how they keep the show on the road.
We were all (or most of us) scientologists once. Were we all evil bastards out to entrap and enslave others on behalf of L. Ron Hubbard and help to make him rich beyond the dreams of avarice? No, of course we weren't.

These days I see most scientologists as people under a spell, bewitched, entranced, with their critical thinking faculties temporarily lost. Hating them and deriding them isn't going to make the situation any better.
 
We were all (or most of us) scientologists once. Were we all evil bastards out to entrap and enslave others on behalf of L. Ron Hubbard and help to make him rich beyond the dreams of avarice? No, of course we weren't.

These days I see most scientologists as people under a spell, bewitched, entranced, with their critical thinking faculties temporarily lost. Hating them and deriding them isn't going to make the situation any better.
That sounds so nice.
Unfortunately, I don't feel that way.
By the way, I never sold anything to anyone in Scientology, I never got anyone in or kept anyone in.
I was very quiet.
For some strange reason, I held on to that part of my reactive mind. Thank God!!
I thought of myself as a guinea pig - I will try Scientology and then when I feel it worked, I would tell others.
It did not work.
 
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@The Oracle.

Some info for you ... You may or may not know that there was a poster a long time ago who used the very same name that you are using ... there was always an excessive amount of drama and argument around her and when you first began posting here I assumed you were the same poster and I was a little bit wary. I imagine a few others were too. I'm only mentioning this now to let you know that that may explain any resistance you have felt from a few people.

:)
Thank you for letting me know that. I appreciate the info.
Yes, I have felt it and did not understand it.
I am not that person. Maybe I should change my handle?
 
What I was complaining about is that, sure, a post can rub a person the wrong way....

Then that post can elicit a post that rubs the OP the wrong way...

OK...that is all fine. It should end there....IMO. Situation is over.

But......then if it degenerates into a day after day slog fest....rehashing, over and over some imagined slight....over some word...

And if it becomes a contest between two "big swinging dicks.... " BSD...

Or degenerates into one poster "calling out" another poster.....over and over, over some comment....

Then it is just a mess. And IMO not good on the Board...

I personally lost 27 years of my life to the Cult...... Plus 20 more now being out...and still being affected....

I don't think there is a way to measure the degree that you hate the Cult more than I do....
 
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