Things That Never Made Sense

[Dotey OT]

I spoke with the SNR D of P FSO around 2012, and had the question as to why anytime that anyone says any slightest derogatory remark in session, albeit correct, deserves to have MWH flown immediately. I think I said something like it isn't possible to speak openly without a derogatory comment occasionally. She said that Critical = MWH, plain and simple.

Then how the hell do you apply HCO PL "Ethics Review"???

Levels of Ethics Actions
1. Noticing something non-optimum without mentioning it but only inspecting it silently.
2.
3.
4.
5. Talking to somebody about another derogatorily.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

I think I said something like it isn't possible to speak openly without a derogatory comment occasionally.

Did you ever hear Bill Franks' interviews about the OW tech and what
LRH revealed to him and David Mayo? If not, I can link later.

 

[Dotey OT]

Did you ever hear Bill Franks' interviews about the OW tech and what
LRH revealed to him and David Mayo? If not, I can link later.

Link away!! I remember some time ago reading that Bill Franks and David Mayo were told by the horse himself that people didn't blow as a result of their OW's. If there are more goodies, bring it! I will have to admit to being the FNG, and all that entails.

 

[Deleted member 51]

Ultimately what didn't make sense to me was that I was ever that dumb and naive and that my parents hadn't taught me any street smarts to recognize a conartist. There I was, so willing to give up my life and production, skills, mind and education to further someone's dream while giving up my own, all the while never coming any closer to a real goal but just making the guy at the top rich.

I had no idea then that religions could be a sort of con and that they'd been used for manipulation and control for centuries. Not that there aren't plenty of them that are genuinely sincere and humanitarian, but that so many people could be so greedy and manipulative and I actually believed they were altruistic and nothing else even entered my mind.

Of course, I was young, but there is such a thing as being too sheltered. Protecting innocence is great, but it's a tapestry of artistic parenting to be able to guide and protect your children while also teaching them street smarts, to think for themselves, educating them correctly and instilling a moral code.

I can't blame my parents a tiny bit that they didn't get the formula perfectly, but I still can't believe i was that naive, ya know?

 

[ILove2Lurk]

If there are more goodies, bring it!

You many have heard these already. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I posted all the Bill Franks videos in one place on ESMB in 2018 for easy
access for newbies at the time. I still really like them. I wrote:

​

If you're newly out or need some more help to peel the Scientology onion,​

I can't recommend these interviews highly enough. Bill talks about many​

behind-the-scenes moments with Hubbard, Mary Sue Hubbard, Miscavige,​

Pat Broeker and many others. (All are audio only.)​

Here you go.

 

[Dotey OT]

Ultimately what didn't make sense to me was that I was ever that dumb and naive and that my parents hadn't taught me any street smarts to recognize a conartist. There I was, so willing to give up my life and production, skills, mind and education to further someone's dream while giving up my own, all the while never coming any closer to a real goal but just making the guy at the top rich.

I had no idea then that religions could be a sort of con and that they'd been used for manipulation and control for centuries. Not that there aren't plenty of them that are genuinely sincere and humanitarian, but that so many people could be so greedy and manipulative and I actually believed they were altruistic and nothing else even entered my mind.

Of course, I was young, but there is such a thing as being too sheltered. Protecting innocence is great, but it's a tapestry of artistic parenting to be able to guide and protect your children while also teaching them street smarts, to think for themselves, educating them correctly and instilling a moral code.

I can't blame my parents a tiny bit that they didn't get the formula perfectly, but I still can't believe i was that naive, ya know?

When I joined, I was already thirty. I did have the idea that religions weren't necessarily bad, but have since downloaded the most recent version of that thinkware into my skull.

Nobody that I know of performed due diligence on such a life changing thing. Today there would be no excuse for a cautious person to get caught up in it.

As a result of all this crap, I now read all the one star reviews to anything prior to reading the top reviews. It works for me!!

Wish I could blame someone. Quite a lesson to be learned.

Everyday I celebrate not being in. Keep in mind, I was watching events and applauding until a few years ago.

I also bury the "how did I get so conned" realization for another time when I am old enough to take the heat for it!!

 

[Dotey OT]

You many have heard these already. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I posted all the Bill Franks videos in one place on ESMB in 2018 for easy
access for newbies at the time. I still really like them. I wrote:

​

If you're newly out or need some more help to peel the Scientology onion,​

I can't recommend these interviews highly enough. Bill talks about many​

behind-the-scenes moments with Hubbard, Mary Sue Hubbard, Miscavige,​

Pat Broeker and many others. (All are audio only.)​

Here you go.

I am on it. I was looking for something to listen to while working, and this is it!

 

[Enthetan]

Then how the hell do you apply HCO PL "Ethics Review"???

Levels of Ethics Actions
1. Noticing something non-optimum without mentioning it but only inspecting it silently.
2.
3.
4.
5. Talking to somebody about another derogatorily.

Ah, but you see, "ethics actions" are ONLY applied by a senior against a junior, or maybe a peer. In Scientology, it is NEVER permissible for someone in a junior position to apply an ethics gradient against a senior.

And public are junior to staff.

 

[Dotey OT]

Well, then the senior can speak derogatorily out of session all day, but in session he gets to do MWH.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I spoke with the SNR D of P FSO around 2012, and had the question as to why anytime that anyone says any slightest derogatory remark in session, albeit correct, deserves to have MWH flown immediately. I think I said something like it isn't possible to speak openly without a derogatory comment occasionally. She said that Critical = MWH, plain and simple.

Then how the hell do you apply HCO PL "Ethics Review"???

Levels of Ethics Actions
1. Noticing something non-optimum without mentioning it but only inspecting it silently.
2.
3.
4.
5. Talking to somebody about another derogatorily.

Love that subject, LOL!

It came up a number of times on the old ESMB on different threads, too bad we couldn't merge all those comments into this cool thread.

It also appeared as one of the very earliest examples of the "HUBBARD LAW OF COMMOTION", lol.

PAGE LINKED HERE

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[Xenu Xenu Xenu]

I never understood how Scientologists could profess love for the "Power of Source" album. Some of these music lovers even danced (badly) to this shit music.

 

[Dotey OT]

Love that subject, LOL!

It came up a number of times on the old ESMB on different threads, too bad we couldn't merge all those comments into this cool thread.

It also appeared as one of the very earliest examples of the "HUBBARD LAW OF COMMOTION", lol.

PAGE LINKED HERE

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Nice. That just helps make it make less sense, doesn't it??

Talking derogatorily about another or others is endorsed, actually required in many circumstances. Talking derogatorily about others in on policy.

Do it in session though and it means you have withholds, wait I mean you are supposed to do it per policy, except if you are new or a junior, but you can't speak derogatorily of an org. I'm so confused.

 

[Dotey OT]

THURSDAY AT 2:00 p.m.
Scientology Sabbath
​

No one else does this. Banks don't do this now. Hell, orgs don't even do this, I can't tell you how much GI was collected AFTER 2:00 and still counted. I heard this and saw this myself.

But just the datum that the week ends Thursday at 2:00. It's arbitrary, I guess that you have to end your week sometime.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Nice. That just helps make it make less sense, doesn't it??

Talking derogatorily about another or others is endorsed, actually required in many circumstances. Talking derogatorily about others in on policy.

Do it in session though and it means you have withholds, wait I mean you are supposed to do it per policy, except if you are new or a junior, but you can't speak derogatorily of an org. I'm so confused.

LOL

I am pretty sure on one thread (old ESMB) I posted something about this related question:

WHAT WOULD A SCIENTOLOGIST RESPOND IF CHALLENGED WHY
A "DEROGATORY" STATEMENT ABOUT ANOTHER IS NOT
"CRITICAL AND THEREFORE DOESN'T REQUIRE PULLING
OVERTS & WITHHOLDS AND MISSED WITHHOLDS?​

The answer would probably have been something like. . .

IDEAL SCIENTOLOGIST
"Because speaking to another derogatorily is
not critical, per the HCOB Auditor's Rights.
Derogatory would better be classified
as "ANTAGONISM" and therefore
the remedy would be to
assess a list for
BPC."



Have I mentioned recently that in addition to Scientologists
being nutty, they are also stupid and full of shit?
I wonder what the "Auditor's Rights" HCOB
says is the remedy for that? LOL

.​

 

[Dotey OT]

You many have heard these already. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I posted all the Bill Franks videos in one place on ESMB in 2018 for easy
access for newbies at the time. I still really like them. I wrote:

​

If you're newly out or need some more help to peel the Scientology onion,​

I can't recommend these interviews highly enough. Bill talks about many​

behind-the-scenes moments with Hubbard, Mary Sue Hubbard, Miscavige,​

Pat Broeker and many others. (All are audio only.)​

Here you go.

I've been listening to these interviews. Wow. I have about one more, but this has prompted some new interest in looking at what's available. I just read about "Operation Cat." I don't know how deep the rabbit hole goes, but I will be busy for a bit.

All from the broken mind of Lafayette Ronald Hubbard.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

I've been listening to these interviews.

I'm glad you like them so much. I think they're the best.
I thought that Bill was pretty transparent and open, more
so than others who were at the top. Keep on and comment
when you're done.

I might have some more goodies for you if you're game.

 

[Dotey OT]

I'm glad you like them so much. I think they're the best.
I thought that Bill was pretty transparent and open, more
so than others who were at the top. Keep on and comment
when you're done.

I might have some more goodies for you if you're game.

I will take any and all goodies that you think I would like!! I should be done with the last segment by tomorrow. Bill sounded like he was a really good guy. Hell, I had only heard of him in the last six months or so, I never heard of him prior to that, and certainly not while I was in.

 

[He-man]

And public are junior to staff.

Unless the public had buckets of $$$.

I remember some publics back in AOSHEU actually had the power to screw Sea Org members over by writing KR's.

"Oh, it's from X, well... lower conditions for you!"

I also seem to remember one girl who was either RPF'd or declared for going out 2-d with a nice cashy fella. Nothing happened to him though.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

I will take any and all goodies that you think I would like!!

May I write you a PM -- without either of us sharing any personal information --
and go over a list of some audio files I could pass you to download?

 

[Dotey OT]

May I write you a PM -- without either of us sharing any personal information --
and go over a list of some audio files I could pass you to download?

Please do, if you don't mind.