BREAKING NEWS Israel launches 'preemptive strikes' on Iran as Netanyahu vows Jewish state won't be 'victim of a nuclear holocaust' and declares 'speci

Karakorum said:
Ok, so Marco Rubio stated that "Tonight, Israel took unilateral action against Iran. We are not involved in strikes against Iran" (Source: Statement from Secretary of State Marco Rubio ), but Trump instead told Reuters that "We knew everything" about the planned airstrike (source: https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...if-iran-still-has-nuclear-program-2025-06-13/ ).

I mean this is embarassing. Even the media I'm watching here are making funof him by saying taht it is no longer'plausible deniability' once you admit that you knew about it all along.

Seems like like the whole administration was trying to deny any knowledge or involvement, but then Trump makeall their hard work go to waste. Either because he can't make himself look like he was ignorant of something, or because he actually forgot waht he was supposed to say.

It really starts to feel like Biden isn't the only US president with dementia. :(
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Reuters is owned by Thomson Reuters, a corporation based in Canada. The organization has faced criticism regarding its fact-checking practices, with some alleging a left-leaning bias in its reporting.

DOGE has claimed that various media organizations, including Reuters, have received funding from government agencies like USAID during the corrupt eight years of the Biden regime when a demented old man ran the country:whistle:

A suggestion: maybe do some fact checking as Reuters is a Left Librul Rag and has proven to post fake news, propaganda and misinformation to incite hate and further the lefts / Deep State global agenda
 
Isaac said:
Reuters is owned by Thomson Reuters, a corporation based in Canada. The organization has faced criticism regarding its fact-checking practices, with some alleging a left-leaning bias in its reporting. (...)
A suggestion: maybe do some fact checking as Reuters is a Left Librul Rag and has proven to post fake news, propaganda and misinformation to incite hate and further the lefts / Deep State global agenda
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Ok... but are you criticizing me for quoting Trump? Or are you criticizing Trump for talking to Reuters in the first place?
Inquiring minds want to know.
 
Karakorum said:
Ok... but are you criticizing me for quoting Trump? Or are you criticizing Trump for talking to Reuters in the first place?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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You come across triggered….

Did Trump actually talk to Reuters journalist?
I doubt it.

The Trump administration is hip to the fake news media outlets and typically doesn’t do private interviews with known fake news people posing as journalists

President Trump & his entire administration is constantly speaking out to the public directly, not through the various known fake news & propaganda media outlets

I think we all want the truth here & don’t wanna fall victim to propaganda, lies, fake news, and misinformation.
Don’t you want that too?

You’ve made it pretty clear your position about Trump so don’t let cognitive dissonance unduly influence
 
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Isaac said:
Did Trump actually talk to Reuters journalist?
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It is all over the news and the internet, including Reuters own website - not exactly a secret. If the interview was not true, then one would think the White house would have already issued a démenti. Trump has enough people employed to see what is published online and Trump's media people are not incompetent.

Seems Trump has a much higher opinion about Reuters than you do.


Isaac said:
You’ve made it pretty clear your position about Trump so don’t let cognitive dissonance unduly influence
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Yeah: His foreign policy moves are dumb and he hasn't gotten a single deal done to end the war in Ukraine, Gaza or to solve the recent Iran crisis. He made a lot of big claims about how quickly he would get this done once elected. I'm just holding him accountable as far as his own promises go. He talks big, but then doesn't deliver.

I also am dissapointed that, after admitting how horrible American education is, he just disbanded federal education without replacing it with anything. That's running away from the problem, not trying to solve it.

Other than that, I do not have a big issue with his other domestic policies.
 
Karakorum said:
Ok... but are you criticizing me for quoting Trump? Or are you criticizing Trump for talking to Reuters in the first place?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Re-read my posts
 
It is not unusual for the President and his Appointees ....to not be on the same page....or not entirely synchronized....

For sure he knew....or US Intelligence knew....

Some are saying that Pres. Trump even played Iran and his negotiations with them.... to give Israel more time and cover....to Israel..

Looks like the Pentagon Pizza Index....predicted something was up......

https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/1larkoe
 
Lee #28 said:
Some are saying that Pres. Trump even played Iran and his negotiations with them.... to give Israel more time and cover....to Israel..
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Which is possible, but can't be proven one way or another... unless Trump himself admits it.

Wait, even if he admits it it won't be certain. I mean it would be Trump talking aboiut himself after all... and he is not known tobe a stickler for facts in that regard.
 
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🧠 Bottom Line:
  • Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis are not the same, but they all benefit from Iranian support because their goals align with Iran’s regional strategy.
  • Hezbollah is Iran’s closest ally.
  • Hamas and the Houthis are more loosely tied, but still serve Iran’s interests.
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...hmmm...

Super confused, here.

I think I'm just about to put my finger on the "why" or the "who" that connects all these groups...

...and then - POOF!!

It evades me.

I just can't help but think that there's some thing that all these groups share...

Has anyone figured that out yet?

Does it have anything to do with "Palestinians" or the time 7 different Nations did a coordinated attack on one country when it was 1 day old?
 
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I read somewhere that Iran was given (and presumably had agreed to) 60 days to come to an agreement and Israel struck on day 61 because, as usual, Iran was playing games and had not agreed to either accept or reject any deal, they certainly were not in the middle of negotiations, they were doing what they always do (see HH's post above). I believe Trump was doing his best to hold back both sides.
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Karakorum said:
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With all due respect, both the US and Iran were still in the negotiation process. In fact, the next meeting was supposed to be on Sunday June 15th:
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Well, ITYIWT, you tried, LOL. However, Karakorum has been blocking my posts since he first arrived on ESMB years ago.

So, naturally he just repeated his un-researched amateurish theory without any desire to read opinions other than his own. Here's another example of his refusal to read and understand the lessons of history. . .


Karakorum said:
The smart thing to do would be to oficially terminate the negotiations, openly make a military threat and only THEN strike Iran if they continued enrichment. Because now we have triggered a sort of "Pearl Harbor" reaction within Iran. They feel stabbed in the back and we are gonna have a war in the middle east. They will double-down and will develop nuclear bombs together with Russia.So much for Trump's peace initiative. For such an self-declared 'art of the deal' guy, he sure doesn't manage to get any deals done internationally.
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The idea that Israel and the USA should abide by some set of negotiating tactics that appear in a dusty 1930s text book is ludicrous. Israel is the unchallenged master of military ops. Alerting Iran to some foolish timetable was not the "smart thing to do", it's the dumbest thing to do.

In war strategy from Sun Tzu's 5th century BC treatise on "THE ART OF WAR" to modern day classics 2500 years later (e.g. Clausewitz's legendary war-strategy book "ON WAR") one of the core themes is to distract & misdirect one's enemies with compelling deception -- so that one can gain untold advantage by the strategy of "SURPRISE". This is very precisely what the USA and Israel did.

That's why and how Israel incapacitated & conquered Iran's air space within 24 hours! That's also how they tricked Iran's military leaders and atomic weapons experts to incorrectly assume that the negotiations would continue for another round in the weeks/months to come. Thus they all hung out together and were blown to hell together by Israeli air strikes. There are many other substantial benefits that accrued from Israel's unannounced, unexpected & debilitating attack.

The other point Karakorum tries to make in vain is that Iran now "feels stabbed in the back and we are gonna have a war in the middle east". Maybe they don't get the news in Poland. Iran has BEEN AT WAR for many many years against USA interests and directly against the nation state of Israel. Iran recruited and armed several NATIONS and mercilessly attacked Israel from three different sides (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthi). In fact from 4 points of origin because Iran has overtly fired many hundreds of rockets at Israel. Thus, there has BEEN a state of war for years. And Iran did not get stabbed in the back. They stabbed Israel and USA in the back repeatedly by murdering Americans and Israelis with direct attacks and also by means of their terrorist proxies sending countless waves of rockets at Israel for years from Gaza, Lebanon & Yemen.

Iran well deserves its reputation as "THE WORLDS #1 SPONSOR OF TERROR". They are a world-domination terrorist death cult. Iran has been "negotiating" and then backstabbing all other nations by treacherously breaking treaties for decades.

If Karakorum had been in charge, he would have made sure Iran knew when the Israeli offensive was going to start precisely---so that they could all run to their underground bunkers and protect their antiaircraft weapons so they could shoot the Israeli jet fighters down.

On the positive side of things, Karakorum could write a bestselling book!: "THE ART OF (LOSING) WAR".


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Lee #28 said:
^^^^^

LOL....that's for sure....

But in this Political Climate......how else could one play it?

All humor aside.....I think Trump is far more truthful than most these days...
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Oh, there's a lot of horrible liars in the Dem party as well. But given the fact that they have no hold on power and the party is busy making every mistake it can... I kind of focus less on criticizing them. 'Not to kick the man when he is down and drunk' sort of thing.
 
Karakorum said:
Yes, Iran understands the language of violence and it understands strenght. Military power would work to bring them to the negotiating table, but not a "stab in the back" sudden attack. That will only push Iran away from negotiations and towards developping their own nuclear weapons in coordination with Russia and China.
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Truth is typically the first casualty in any war, but IF what Scott Ritter (former UN Weapons Inspector) is saying is true, Iran has no need to coordinate with Russia or China to develop nuclear weapons. Iran has all the pieces in place NOW to build 3-5 nuclear weapons in days.


 
Type4_PTS said:
Truth is typically the first casualty in any war, but IF what Scott Ritter (former UN Weapons Inspector) is saying is true, Iran has no need to coordinate with Russia or China to develop nuclear weapons. Iran has all the pieces in place NOW to build 3-5 nuclear weapons in days.


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I noticed one guy said: “Trump used those negotiations to attack Iran”

I’m sorry…. Did I miss something while I’ve been busy engrossed in illegal aliens & radicalized paid thug democrats wreaking havoc & destroying our cities during the “peaceful protests” ?

I thought Israel attacked Iran…

Trump was busy having a birthday and celebrating US military’s 250 year anniversary and dealing with his duties. My understanding is that Trump begged Iran during the negotiations, but they didn’t heed any of his common sense advice.
Iran can’t help it
Iran is at the same tone level as Scientology….
they are both self destructing.
 
Type4_PTS said:
Truth is typically the first casualty in any war, but IF what Scott Ritter (former UN Weapons Inspector) is saying is true, Iran has no need to coordinate with Russia or China to develop nuclear weapons. Iran has all the pieces in place NOW to build 3-5 nuclear weapons in days.


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There is some discussion in this video clip that contradicts what Scott Ritter claimed.


Tucker and Steve Bannon React to New Developments in Iran-Israel Conflict




That video clip above is taken from a longer video (below) I've not watched, but here it is for anyone interested:



Tucker and Steve Bannon Respond to Israel’s War on Iran and How It Could Destroy MAGA Forever
 
🚨 BREAKING: Khamenei SURRENDERS Power To Military As Israel Controls Tehran








This is the same video below, but cued to when there is a statement from Reza Pahlavi, Crown Prince of Iran (in exile). He is not a fan of the Islamic Republic government. :no:


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Type4_PTS said:
🚨 BREAKING: Khamenei SURRENDERS Power To Military As Israel Controls Tehran

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Like all miraculously-powerful religious cult leaders facing difficulty, supreme leader Khamenei went into hiding inside underground bunkers. The reason for this is because there are no known dealers selling Bluebird Motorhomes in Iran.

Despite having turned over full control of the nation to military leaders, Khamenei was able to send a message to all Iranian people.

"HELLO! I ASSURE YOU I AM WELL AND NOT IN DANGER!. I AM IN AN
UNDISCLOSED UNDERGROUND SAFE-SPACE, A HALF-MILE UNDERGROUND
BUNKER THAT EVEN ISRAELI BUNKER-BUSTING BOMBS CANNOT REACH.
I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT ALL 90M IRANIANS DO THE SAME.
ANYWAYS, IT'S GOOD THAT I DON'T HAVE TO RUN THE MILITARY ANY
MORE BECAUSE IT GIVES ME LOTS OF FREE TIME TO CATCH UP ON
NETFLIX MOVIES AND DO PALATES. I AM ORDERING ALL IRANIANS
TO NOT ATTEMPT TO ESCAPE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY OR LEAVE
YOUR CITY. TO THOSE WHO DEFY MY ORDERS (WHICH CAME
FROM ALLAH!) I SAY THIS: "DEATH TO ISRAEL, DEATH TO
AMERICANS, DEATH TO IRANIANS!" REMEMBER, WE ARE
ONLY DAYS AWAY FROM HAVING 8 NUCLEAR BOMBS AND
I WON'T HESITATE TO USE THEM ON THE IRANIAN
PEOPLE IF YOU DON'T SHELTER IN PLACE UNTIL
THIS WHOLE HOAX ABOUT ISRAEL BOMBING
US INTO THE STONE AGE BLOWS OVER."
Best Always, Supreme Leader Khamenei


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