Process Church of the Final Judgement

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Maybe no one is interested in this except me, but I find DeGrimston to be somewhat unique as a cult leader that retired from cult-ing and went on to live a life in obscurity. And this is no exaggeration - DeGrimston's Wikipedia page has nothing whatsoever to add after 1974 Robert de Grimston - Wikipedia

A bit of searching shows DeGrimston is still living at 88, apparently married, and lives a quiet retirement in Florida. An address and phone are easily found but I won't repeat them here. Google earth shows the home to be attractive and well-maintained but not ostentatious.

Perhaps more information will be available when he inevitably passes.

Here's a review of the "Love, Sex, Fear, Death" book about The Process. According to this, de Grimston was ousted from the group in 1974 by Mary Ann MacLean, whose mouthpiece he had been all along. He eventually got "a real job" -- I read something somewhere about him working with computers (before everybody did) -- and was living in Staten Island, yet. He'd also dropped de Grimston and reverted to his birth name of Robert Moor.

Love Sex Fear Death: The Inside Story of the Process Church of the Final Judgment - LA Weekly

The Satanic Ritual Abuse (or SRA) conspiracy fad of the 1980s may have torn apart families, destroyed the lives of innumerable innocent people and set the credibility of clinical psychology back at least 50 years — but for fans of sleazy, poorly researched, exploitative true-crime books, it was...

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And just a tiny bit more information from someone who spoke with DeGrimston on the phone for a few minutes almost 20 years ago:

https://feralhouse.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/LSFD_adam_essay.pdf

Here's a review of the "Love, Sex, Fear, Death" book about The Process. According to this, de Grimston was ousted from the group in 1974 by Mary Ann MacLean, whose mouthpiece he had been all along. He eventually got "a real job" -- I read something somewhere about him working with computers (before everybody did) -- and was living in Staten Island, yet. He'd also dropped de Grimston and reverted to his birth name of Robert Moor.

Love Sex Fear Death: The Inside Story of the Process Church of the Final Judgment - LA Weekly

The Satanic Ritual Abuse (or SRA) conspiracy fad of the 1980s may have torn apart families, destroyed the lives of innumerable innocent people and set the credibility of clinical psychology back at least 50 years — but for fans of sleazy, poorly researched, exploitative true-crime books, it was...

www.laweekly.com

 

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He was on the level….

I had seen him there a few times. Close to my work.
Don’t remember why I knew he was a Buddhist… but he was. The wig was for sure so he could pass as a normal person.

I guess looking back now, I know that I have never seen or heard of any Buddhist street recruiting…. So perhaps he was not.

he wasn’t wearing saffron colored robes or anything…. I had seen hundreds of monks having lived in Thailand for 2 years….

maybe it was something he said? I don’t remember.

Was he one of those "Nam Myoho Renge Kyo" Buddhists? They do proselytize, though they're not very aggressive about it compared to some other groups.

 

[Tanchi]

Teaser!! It was on top of the bibles and herb and crystal dictionaries in my spare room.

I'm skimming and making notes. Months ago, I ordered the redacted version of this book on my Kindle and was so disappointed. (I'm getting older so I'm Kindle spoiled. Font size, brightness, can read it in the dark!)

I ordered this hardback because I read somewhere that the Process sued Sanders. So I wanted it! I want to know what an organisation like that would find so objectionable.

I'm going to 2 part this post. I need to feed my dogs. They're making cartoon doggy tragedy lips at me.

 

[Tanchi]

Ok. About me. Growing up, we went to Methodist Church 4x a week. SUN am and pm, WED night services, Thurs choir practice. My sister and I had Jr choir first, Mom had regular choir after. My mom was raised Southern Baptist, her mom Church of Nazarene. Our town, the home of the AG headquarters, and Gospel Publishing House, had 3 AM radio stations, FM came in 1973! 3 TV stations, UHF had to be fine tuned.. frequently.

My mom divorced my daddy, and married the minister of our church. After he divorced his wife. In spite of this, we were protected from certain subjects. There was proper dinner table conversation. We also didn't watch a lot of TV, because both my sister and I had to take piano lessons, flute and clarinet lessons. House cleaning Thurs. Skating on Saturday. Homework.

I did not hear about Manson until 76 after the movie aired. In English class a student brought it up, asking teacher if he had watched it. He said no, he had no desire to.
I found the book in the library and read it in '78.
I have re read it several times, along with those about or by other Manson family members. It still fascinates me. So does Mormon LDS and all the other fundie plyg groups.
In the early 2000's, I began to read and participate in self help forums. Over a couple of years, I came to recognize cultic characteristics in many areas, particularly trauma abuse, but seemingly benign family and churches included.

I never watched King of Queens. I never paid attention to Celebs, Co$. After I retired early for health reasons, I started using FB alot. Just wasting time, sitting in front of TV, getting caught up on Sister Wives, Escaping Polygamy. So in 2013, I ordered Leah's book. Then Jenna's, Then Marc Headley, Jeff Hawkins. On and on.
Welp. Rhere's going to be a part trois.

 

[Tanchi]

So, after Leah announced, on the show, all the websites and FB pages that were for exes, I joined the one ASL ADMIN'D. I found active and inactive sites. Great info. Deep dives.

Whenever a post came up on FB about Manson saying Sci was too crazy for him, mention of the emeters found at Spain Ranch...anything...it would get shut down quickly by frequent contributors or removed by admin. Refutal along the lines of ~ oh it was low level auditing in prison ~

Once I posted that I had seen documents that Lerma had on his site. A discharge from Sci in England for Bruce Davis.. I was told Lerma was crazy. I found the documents, and when I went back to the FB page, the post had been removed.

I can understand anyone wanting to put distance between Manson's rep and themselves, etc. If anyone would be a PR flap it would be Unca Charlie. I just wanna know!!

 

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I did not hear about Manson until 76 after the movie aired.

I remember that movie. I didn't see it 'til years later. (I was in scn and on staff in '76 and watching very little TV then.) It was a made-for-TV movie, wasn't it? But very well done, I thought. I found it on youtube a few years back and watched it again. Looked for it more recently and couldn't find it anywhere.

 

[Tanchi]

I've been looking on my Dish. The only thing I can get is the 2004 remake. And I have to buy it. So no. It shows up on Prime!, but the video is currently unavailable. Freal.
There's a free movie on Prime called House of Manson. I might look at that this evening.
4-5 years ago I saw Charlie Says on Netflix. Merritt Wever, Susie Bacon. It was pretty good. It showed the therapy the women got while they were in prison.

 

[Tanchi]

The first mention of Scientology comes early in the book. P. 29, Sanders discusses Manson's 150 hours of auditing with Lanier Raymer, Gene Deaton and Jerry Milman.
Sanders says M also studied Magic, warlockry, hypnotism, Rosicrucianism. Raymer had formed an Indie Scientology group prior to his unfortunate incarceration for robbery.

Bobby Beausoleil had connections in music, film and Satanic cults. He was friends with Kenneth Anger who introduced him to magic and Aleister Crowley. Beausoleil was involved in Anger's Lucifer Rising movie.
The biker clubs Manson recruited were associated with the Process, and the Solar Lodge of the OTO.

Bruce Davis was sent to England for unknown reasons. He signed up for courses at CO$ and was given a job in the mail room. Co$ fired him 2 weeks later bc he wouldn't stop using drugs. After this expulsion, he hung out with the Process.

There is an entire chapter re: Process.
DeGrimston and MaryAnn met at the Hubbard Institute of Scientology on Fitzroy Street in London. They trained as auditors, left Hubbard Institute and formed Compulsions Analysis.
There were British Process members in the US on 3 mo visitor permits. When Immigration reminded them their time was almost up, they tried to extend by saying they were students of Co$.

When actual British Scientologists applied for student visas to the US, they were denied, because there will still 12 illegal immigrants claiming to be Scientologists.

He weaves together the coming and going of Hollywood, creepy crawlers..the whole scene. He's extremely thorough. A lot of juicy tidbits that Bugliosi couldn't put in his book.

I'll say this while I'm thinkin of it. In Helter Skelter, Bugliosi included a list of items found at Barker Ranch. One of these was an Emeter .

House of Manson movie SUCKKED.

Ok. I'll report the news as I skim the book.

 

[vegan3]

Scientology Success Story - Charles Manson

Here's a success story I found written by Charles Manson: "A cell partner turned me on to Scientology. With him and another guy I got pretty heavy into Dianetics and Scientology. Through this and by other studies, I came out of my state of depression. I was understanding myself better, had a...

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the nice large (readable!) 1967 manson santa barbara driver's license in that thread was extremely interesting. i didn't know he lived there. my sister and i got into the cult in santa barbara in the late 60's. she was a student at UCSB from '65-'69. mitch was saying the other day that it was the beach boys that introduced manson to the hollywood elite and my sister's second husband grew up with the beach boys.

a guy named Stan Stromfeld ran the mission and is mentioned in a 1970 UCSB newsletter "El Gaucho", along with an ad in the want ads for a free lecture, and a blip about an upcoming lecture in a series at the university. creepy! he's probably in earlier El Gauchos but that was what first googled up.

Did Charles Manson Live in Santa Barbara?

Evidence suggests the infamous cult leader and murderer resided at 705 Bath Street in 1967.

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El Gaucho, January 9, 1970 on JSTOR

JSTOR is a digital library of academic journals, books, and primary sources.

www.jstor.org

The Associated Students Lecture Series has scheduled an informal talk on Scientology as its first presentation of the quarter. Director of Scientology-Santa Barbara, Stanley Stromfeld, will speak in the UCen Program Lounge on Monday, Jan. 12, at 8 p.m.
Scientology is said to be a philosophy and a religion. The word itself comes from Latin and Greek roots which can be translated “knowing how to know” or “the study of wisdom.”

 

[Tanchi]

I haven't finished Sanders' book. I got sucked into the YT rabbit holes. This creator, Rottingjewels, finds ties with early Scientology and the Process Church.

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She's interesting.

 

[Tanchi]

I haven't finished Sanders' book. I got sucked into the YT rabbit holes. This creator, Rottingjewels, finds ties with early Scientology and the Process Church.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

She's interesting.

Ha! Rereading the posts on this thread I see someone else posted links to her page. I musta been super tired when I read that.

 

[SuperstarNeilC]

Jimmy Savile was one of the United Kingdom’s most beloved TV personalities. Shortly after his death in 2011, an investigation prompted more than 450 horrific allegations of sexual assault and abuse, with victims as young as 5.

The documentary examines, through extensive archive footage, the evil within Jimmy and delves into how he managed to fool an entire nation for four decades.

 

[SuperstarNeilC]

Long before Jimmy Savile's crimes were exposed, he gave a bizarre interview to a magazine published by the Process Church of the Final Judgment — a controversial religious movement operating on the fringes of the 1960s counterculture.

In this video, I read through my True Crime & Moonshine investigation into this rarely discussed interview and look at what Savile actually said.He jokes about “destroying morals,” describes himself as a wolf who comes alive at night, talks about women and marriage in unsettling terms, and even makes one of the jokes about criminal prosecution that would become a recurring feature of his public persona.

At the time, much of this could be dismissed as provocative 1960s humour. Read with hindsight, after everything that later emerged about Savile, it sounds remarkably different.

The question isn't whether Savile was secretly a member of the Process Church — there is no evidence here that he was.

What interests me is why he appeared in their publication, the persona he chose to present to them, and how openly he played with ideas of immorality, danger and transgression.

 

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[SuperstarNeilC]

Jimmy Savile’s name has long appeared on the fringes of the Yorkshire Ripper investigation. But how much of the story can actually be verified?

In this video, I read through two of my investigations into Savile’s alleged connection to the Yorkshire Ripper case.

The first examines the claims that Savile came to the attention of West Yorkshire Police during the hunt for Peter Sutcliffe, including reports that he was interviewed and had dental impressions taken.

I then follow the paper trail myself. I submitted a Freedom of Information request to West Yorkshire Police asking what records survive relating to Savile and the Ripper investigation.

Their response reveals just how difficult it is to establish what remains buried within this enormous historical archive.

This isn't an argument that Savile was the Yorkshire Ripper. It is an attempt to separate documented fact, later testimony and repeated claims — and to find out what the surviving police records can actually tell us.

 

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