Process Church of the Final Judgement

Lee #28

Lee #28

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I came across this thread today on 4chan. Yea, 4chan is pretty crazy....but this thread does have tons of info...pictures...articles...

Anyway....I don't really get to deep into all this stuff....but it certainly is interesting. Scientology is mentioned and talked about....

Some statements that the Process Church of the Final Judgement is a splinter group off The Process.....which is stated as being originated by the "British arm of the Church of Scientology...."

Lots of pics and rabbit holes to check out....!! Thought I'd post here to save all these links and pics....

Of interest were an article or two mentioning "Telephone Prayer" or remotely connecting to heal...... Which to my knowledge at least some OT Scientologists "got into doing..."

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Also mentions the "Foundation Church of God" as a splinter group off of "The Process" also. They are talked about it as having started the ":Telephone praying service..." which I thouht was interesting...
 
I have always assumed that the "The Process" and now the Process Church of the Final Judgement...and now Foundation Church of God....all do some sort of "Scientology Auditing" procedures. ( and other off shoots of Scientology...)

In other words.....Repetitive Auditing Commands ( questions...) in some sort of session with another person....

That some Auditing Questions....were discovered to produce some specific result....that was desired.... And that these groups went off on their own track ....due to this. Sort of.

Does anyone know if this is the case.....and if they used some sort of e-meter....?
 
There are several posts about the Process Church of the Final Judgement on the original ESMB. (also an article on Wikipedia about it as well)





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Skimming this thread, I thought of George White. (Witek). He used to post on Rinder's blog. I read Lucifer's Bridge years ago. It's now free on Kindle.
I may re read. My DISH Hopper quit last night, and the new one won't be here until Tuesday.
 
Lee #28 said:
Anyway....I don't really get to deep into all this stuff....but it certainly is interesting. Scientology is mentioned and talked about....

Some statements that the Process Church of the Final Judgement is a splinter group off The Process.....which is stated as being originated by the "British arm of the Church of Scientology...."
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it's quite the rabbit hole to go down....

yeah that's more or less the big picture from what i remember reading. it started with some British scns but they did get a following in the US, too.

also, the Process is part of the strange web of connections around Manson. i can't remember the details, but there is something there.

now they have turned into the Best Friends Animal Shelter in Utah. it's a lot of the same old timers, now at least as the 'outer' work running a national fundraising network that seems to be one of those that while raising awareness and doing some good work (or getting volunteers to) also is very remunerative to those at the top, bringing in enough money to have bought them a private plane.
 
Ed Sanders (former member of The Fugs) published a book about the Manson Family in 1971, called "The Family," several years before Vincent Bugliosi's better-known "Helter Skelter." In the 1971 first edition, Sanders reportedly explored in some detail the connections between Manson and The Process. However, as a result of a lawsuit, (almost?) all mention of The Process was deleted from subsequent editions of the book.

First editions of Sander's "The Family" are now going for high prices. I saw one for ~$1200 on Abebooks, and several others in the $500 range. There's one on Amazon for the surprisingly low price of $44.99, the cheapest one I've seen.

I read the expurgated edition of the book years ago. I haven't read the reportedly much more informative first edition, just repeating what I've read.
 
About the only book I read about Manson.....was Bugliosi's book. And that was a long time ago.

Warning.....GRAPHIC description....

About the only thing that stuck in my mind......was a part about how Manson would send a boy and girl out for the day together and have her suck d*ck....all day long to "get over that action" or some words to that effect. As a Scien.....That sounded like a "practical exercise" and "flattening the process...."

This also reminded me of "Flirty Fishing"....of the Children of God cult....

Also made me think that Manson would not do this.....if BJs were not employed to get in new recruits. I don't know how large the Manson Family was..... but will look that up on Google now. Google says 100 members....which is a lot more than I thought!

Also from Google....

"Flirty Fishing (FFing) is a form of evangelism by sexual intimacy practiced from around 1974 to 1987 by the cult Children of God, currently known as Family International (TFI). Female members of Children of God, or "fisherwomen", would apply their sex appeal on "fish"—men from outside the cult (often but not always ..."

I think there are lots of relationships between all these type of groups......and perhaps boils down to doing "Processing" of one sort or another.

pineapple said:
Ed Sanders (former member of The Fugs) published a book about the Manson Family in 1971, called "The Family," several years before Vincent Bugliosi's better-known "Helter Skelter." In the 1971 first edition, Sanders reportedly explored in some detail the connections between Manson and The Process. However, as a result of a lawsuit, (almost?) all mention of The Process was deleted from subsequent editions of the book.

First editions of Sander's "The Family" are now going for high prices. I saw one for ~$1200 on Abebooks, and several others in the $500 range. There's one on Amazon for the surprisingly low price of $44.99, the cheapest one I've seen.

I read the expurgated edition of the book years ago. I haven't read the reportedly much more informative first edition, just repeating what I've read.
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That first addition would interest me ( years ago ) if it had some real examples of any Process Questions that were used.....

To me....any use of repetitive type processing questions would really tie all these groups into the Scientology cult type of auditing.
 
pineapple said:
Ed Sanders (former member of The Fugs) published a book about the Manson Family in 1971, called "The Family," several years before Vincent Bugliosi's better-known "Helter Skelter." In the 1971 first edition, Sanders reportedly explored in some detail the connections between Manson and The Process. However, as a result of a lawsuit, (almost?) all mention of The Process was deleted from subsequent editions of the book.

First editions of Sander's "The Family" are now going for high prices. I saw one for ~$1200 on Abebooks, and several others in the $500 range. There's one on Amazon for the surprisingly low price of $44.99, the cheapest one I've seen.

I read the expurgated edition of the book years ago. I haven't read the reportedly much more informative first edition, just repeating what I've read.
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I got an original publishing of Sanders' book for $75. It's in good shape.
I found a free book on Kindle called
Manson Family Manual by Dr. Paul Dawson. There is mention of Manson's and Bruce Davis' involvement with process Church.
Not much, fwiw.
 
Tanchi said:
I got an original publishing of Sanders' book for $75. It's in good shape.
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You have a first edition of Sanders' "The Family"? Did you read it? Anything interesting in there about The Process and Manson, etc.?
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Robert DeGrimston fell off the map many years ago. He would be a very old man now. Does anyone know how he spent the last 50 years or so?
 
Lee #28 said:
That first addition would interest me ( years ago ) if it had some real examples of any Process Questions that were used.....

To me....any use of repetitive type processing questions would really tie all these groups into the Scientology cult type of auditing.
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Before they were The Process, they went through a phase where they called themselves "Compulsions Analysis," which sounds like something you'd expect a squirrel group derived for scn to call themselves. Maybe at that stage they were still using e-meters and repetitive processing, but I think that stuff got dropped before they became The Process (1966?)

I read "Love, Sex, Fear, Death: The Inside Story of The Process Church of The Final Judgement" by Tim Wyllie, who was actually a member of The Process, but I don't think he was in before 1966 and he doesn't mention anything reminiscent of scn processing, IIRC.

I was interested in The Process because we used to see them in New York in the early 70's walking around in capes, but I never really knew what they were about. I found Tim Wyllie's book disappointing and I still don't think I could tell you what they were about. I did once have a conversation with a Process girl in a cape, and she wanted a donation to "help the poor people." It sounded like she was talking about some kind of soup kitchen they were setting up or something. I was pretty poor myself at the time so I didn't give her anything.
 
pineapple said:
You have a first edition of Sanders' "The Family"? Did you read it? Anything interesting in there about The Process and Manson, etc.?
:drama:
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I read it years ago, like in 89, paperback. I remember things he wrote about Ava, MO. Ava isn't far from Springfield ( my town). Sanders said some of Manson's devotees live around Ava. I asked a coworker born there. She said there were roads out there " you just don't go down".

Ok. Sigh. Now I gotta go find the book. I think it's upstairs with the Bibles I don't read any more!

I'll skim the hardback this week.
 
Lee #28 said:
Capes??!! That is funny.

Once I was approached by some Buddhist guy in a blonde wig.....at a Metro Station in DC.
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Yes, blue capes and IIRC, a big book like you'd see in a horror movie, like a Gutenberg Bible or the Necronomicon or something. Don't know what the book was and didn't ask. (This is about 50 years ago so my memory may not be completely accurate on this point.) I guess the idea was to key us in so we'd be more receptive, like those crazy old sea org uniforms with the jumpsuits and helmets.

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Re the Buddhist guy in the blonde wig, do you think he was on the level? Or just some panhandler claiming to be a Buddhist?
 
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He was on the level….

I had seen him there a few times. Close to my work.
Don’t remember why I knew he was a Buddhist… but he was. The wig was for sure so he could pass as a normal person.

I guess looking back now, I know that I have never seen or heard of any Buddhist street recruiting…. So perhaps he was not.

he wasn’t wearing saffron colored robes or anything…. I had seen hundreds of monks having lived in Thailand for 2 years….

maybe it was something he said? I don’t remember.

A big oversized book? That is interesting! A key-in for sure.
 
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Maybe no one is interested in this except me, but I find DeGrimston to be somewhat unique as a cult leader that retired from cult-ing and went on to live a life in obscurity. And this is no exaggeration - DeGrimston's Wikipedia page has nothing whatsoever to add after 1974 Robert de Grimston - Wikipedia

A bit of searching shows DeGrimston is still living at 88, apparently married, and lives a quiet retirement in Florida. An address and phone are easily found but I won't repeat them here. Google earth shows the home to be attractive and well-maintained but not ostentatious.

Perhaps more information will be available when he inevitably passes.

XenuHimself said:
Robert DeGrimston fell off the map many years ago. He would be a very old man now. Does anyone know how he spent the last 50 years or so?
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