Wog Questions

[Babel]

Wog here. Have questions.

There's basically infinite data on Scientology all over the internet, so I try to avoid asking questions in the assumption that I'll find the answer eventually. There are some details I'd love some help on though.

1. KHA-KHAN
"In short a staff member can get away with murder so long as his statistic is up and can’t sneeze without a chop if it’s down. To do otherwise is to permit some suppressive person to simply Ethics chit every producer in the org out of existence. When people do start reporting a staff member with a high statistic, what you investigate is the person who turned in the report. In an ancient army a particularly brave deed was recognized by an award of the title of Kha-Khan. It was not a rank. The person remained what he was, BUT he was entitled to be forgiven the death penalty ten times in case in the future he did anything wrong. That was a Kha-Khan. That’s what producing, high statistic staff members are – Kha-Khans. They can get away with murder without a blink from Ethics. The average fair to poor statistic staff member of course gets just routine ethics with hearings or courts for too many misdeeds. The low statistic fellow gets a court if he sneezes. Ethics must use all org discipline only in view of the production statistic of the staff member involved. And Ethics must recognize a Kha-Khan when it sees one – and tear up the bad report chits on the person with a yawn. To the staff member this means – if you do your job you are protected by Ethics. And if you aren’t so protected and your statistic is high, cable me. L. RON HUBBARD"

Anyone familiar with this? The only time I think I've heard it referenced was by Leah Remini. I believe she said that John Travolta was awarded with the title of Kha-Khan, meaning that Scientology will forgive murder up to ten times; that Scientology staff will just clean it up without a word. (forgive me if that's not exactly accurate. It's been in the back of my mind for a while. She said it on Joe Rogan)

From the LRH quotes I was able to pull up, it doesn't actually seem like a specific award. It seems like a blanket rule that applies to all staff with up stats. It doesn't seem like this is actually the case even at that level. How literal is "getting away with murder without a blink from ethics"? Does this mean:
a) they'd actually clean it up
b) They won't sec check you about it
c) They won't bring it up till your stats are down

He also defines it as forgiving the death penalty up to ten times, but Scientology doesn't have a death penalty. Would LRH be referring to an action that could result in the wog world death penalty? That doesn't seem likely, but it's the only explanation I can think of for the way Leah described it. Are there any other examples of it being awarded to a specific person, or any examples of it in practice?

 

[Helena Handbasket]

Babel,

I don't think LRH literally meant "murder" and "the death penalty". What I always assumed he meant was that you could get away, without punishment, for any misdeed, if you've been awarded a Kha-Khan.

The theory seems to be that even if you've done something bad, by doing something very good beforehand, you are a net asset to the organization, and that to punish such a person would be a counterproductive. In other words, if the good outweighs the bad, there is little to be gained by disciplining that person.

The only time I ever heard of it actually being used was when someone attempted to CommEv Capt. Bill Roberts. He suggested that the action was actually suppressive, to stop him from doing the right thing, so he "used one of his Kha-Khans" (previously awarded him by LRH) to "get out of it".

It's been a long-standing principle of the cherch to ignore Ethics complaints against high producers while acting on those of low producers.

What DM is doing now with Ethics policy and Kha-Khans is a great unknown.

Helena

 

[Babel]

2. CLEAR COGNITION

"I just realized I've been mocking up my reactive mind, and I'm not doing it anymore."

I get the impression that this sentance is basically all there is to it. (I've also heard that it has to do with being in present time)

Isn't the whole idea of auditing to fix engrams by going back in time and reliving them? Is the idea of the clear cog that engrams don't actually exist? If this is the case, what have you been auditing? Are you reliving real past life experiences and cognate that you're mocking up the effects of those experiences, or are you mocking up the experiences themselves?

Also, how much of a difference is there between auditing engrams and auditing BTs? Is it basically the same process? Is total freedom just realizing you've been mocking up BTs and Xemu the whole time?

 

[Chuck J.]

The Kha Khan used to be awarded to a person for something they did that was above and beyond. SuperDoublePlusGood. But It was conveniently ignored if need to be, to punish that same person if it was deemed necessary. In other words they may have gotten away with one transgression but certainly not more than that, or whatever was promised. The usual false $cientology advertising, lol.

I think Trey Lotz got a Kha Khan. I remember reading something about it.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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KHA-KHAN: To understand the meaning and application of that term, first you have to know this:

THE HUBBARD LAW OF COMMOTION: It's similar to Newton's Law of Motion but so much more useful, as follows: "In Scientology for every policy, piece of tech and definition there is an equal and opposite policy, piece of tech and definition."

QUESTION: So does Hubbard literally mean "get away with murder"?
ANSWER: Yes....and No. Depends who is asking and why. If an investigative journalist or FBI agent is asking, the answer is no. If a Scientologist "Office of Special Affairs" agent is asking (before leaving on their mission to destroy someone or drive them to suicide (see Operation Freakout at wiki) then the answer is "Yes, you need to make sure she's dead and not only will you NOT get in trouble, but Scientology will send in a very beautiful "commendation report" to your personnel file so you will have greater status and protection.

QUESTION: Is the Kha-Khan tech actually applied in Scientology? Part of it is. The part where someone is love-bombed by issuing a declaration of the state of Kha-Khan. However, if that person screws up ANYTHING AT ALL that church leaders don't like, then all of their "lives" are instantly canceled and they are mercilessly thrown into a chain locker, thrown overboard, thrown into the "hole" prison or otherwise thrown under the bus. There is no Kha-Khan status in Scientology, it's pure mythology, nobody ever has any protection from the wrath of senior management. Kha-Khan is a joke that anyone who has been on staff knows the cruel punchline to. There is, however, one lone exception.

EXCEPTION: There is a similar sounding, affiliated state that DOES get awarded sometimes--and this other state does give the person "protection" from being attacked by fellow Scientologists. That's the state of KHA-CHING, where a big being brings in big cash.

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[HelluvaHoax!]

Babel inquired:
2. CLEAR COGNITION: "I just realized I've been mocking up my reactive mind, and I'm not doing it anymore."

I get the impression that this sentence is basically all there is to it. (I've also heard that it has to do with being in present time). That's virtually all there is to it, with one slight tweak. The person "originating" that realization (above) would have to "feel good about it" --meaning that they would have to laugh or smile, or minimally have a knowing grin. This is the scientific proof that is necessary to give them a completion certificate.

Isn't the whole idea of auditing to fix engrams by going back in time and reliving them? Is the idea of the clear cog that engrams don't actually exist? If this is the case, what have you been auditing? Are you reliving real past life experiences and cognate that you're mocking up the effects of those experiences, or are you mocking up the experiences themselves? If you have this many confusions and uncertainties, it indicates that you need auditing in order to go Clear. We are quite pleased to give you a free "tech estimate" of how many hundreds of hours will be required to erase that mess inside your mind. When you are Clear, you won't be wasting any more valuable time by wondering about anything Hubbard says that doesn't make sense. You'll have a feeling of serenity & certainty that Dr. Hubbard has already done all the heavy lifting for you. When you're Clear you can really relax and stop worrying so much about things that don't concern you.

Also, how much of a difference is there between auditing engrams and auditing BTs? Is it basically the same process? Big difference. When you audit engrams, you ERASE them. When you audit BTs the BTs eject from your body and travel into deep space or wherever they are supposed to go. They don't "erase" because they are spiritual beings. I know--it kind of LOOKS LIKE they are erased but that's because spiritual beings are invisible. Trust us, you've got hundreds of thousands of them right now inside your body. Have I mentioned before that today we are having a very special offer where we give you a FREE tech estimate to get rid of all the alien ghosts are are screwing up your life?

Is total freedom just realizing you've been mocking up BTs and Xemu the whole time? Nobody knows what total freedom on this planet because when advanced OTs achieve it, they immediately travel to other planets in deep space. Dr. Hubbard, for example, is at "Target 2" somewhere else in the universe. We have tried to contact him many times to ask how it is to have "total freedom" but we couldn't reach him so far. Probably his mobile is out of range or needs to be recharged, it's nothing to worry about. Try to stay focused on things happening on this planet, like getting your FREE tech estimate!

 

[Helena Handbasket]

2. CLEAR COGNITION

"I just realized I've been mocking up my reactive mind, and I'm not doing it anymore." ...

I don't really get it, but it seems that engrams (which are thoughts) are perpetuated by how you think about them -- by keeping a finger of attention on them, they persist and cause you trouble. The Clear Cog is supposed to be that you realize you've been holding them in place, and the process of holding them in place is the reactive mind.

It's also asserted that once you have the Clear Cog, you're Clear, and you have no more charge of your own. I disagree with this strongly; if nothing else, because you can have service facsimilies (ser facs), of which LRH said, "are generated by the preclear" (auditing client) "not the bank" (reactive mind). In other words, even if you've blown (tossed away) your reactive mind, you can still have charge of your own. (I think there are many ways you can have charge of your own even when you have gone clear. I like to think of the reactive mind as sort of a flypaper that engrams stick to; once this flypaper is gone, you can still have engrams and other stuff, although they are not as tenacious as before.)

Now if clear is so great, why do people have to continue getting processing? In theory, it's because even if you have no more charge of your own you are still subject to the influences of the reactive minds of others. And those others, on the OT levels, are BTs.

BTs are not you, nor are they parts of you. BTs are others, who come to you and stick to you, and mess you up. Starting with OT 3, that's all you do -- find different type of BTs and run them out (do a little processing on them and enable them to leave). It's at this point the bridge becomes less Freudian (Dianetics is an outgrowth of Freudian abreaction therapy) and more Jungian.

Helena

 

[Babel]

"THETA TRAPS, how can you trap a thetan? By curiosity, by giving him awards and prizes (of an implant), by retractor screens, by mock-ups, by ornate buildings which he will enter unsuspectingly to be electroniced down: by many such means
the thetan is reduced from knowing to a colonist, a slave, a MEST body. All theta traps have one thing in common: they use electronic force to knock the thetan into forgetting, into unknowingness, into effect. Their purpose is to rid the area of those nuisances, the thetans who cannot be policed, and gain personnel–always the former, not always the latter. (HOM, pp. 71-72)"

Serious language barrier on this one.

Does "trap a thetan" mean "confine to a body"?

Does "Awards and prizes (of an implant)" mean that the thetan's ambition is used against it (thetans are genderless, right?) and that when the thetan wins a prize he unknowingly receives an implant with it? Does refer to something specific? I don't remember the Xemu story including any awards or prizes with the implants. Is there any chance he's implying that each step up the bridge is awarded with one more implant?

What are "retractor screens"?
Is "electroniced" a scientology word? What does that mean?
Is a colonist a wog or a human?

"Their purpose is to rid the area of those nuisances, the thetans who cannot be policed, and gain personnel–always the former, not always the latter."
Can someone please translate this sentence?



Thanks for all the responses so far. Ya'll are the best.

 

[Enthetan]

Wog here. Have questions.

There's basically infinite data on Scientology all over the internet, so I try to avoid asking questions in the assumption that I'll find the answer eventually. There are some details I'd love some help on though.

1. KHA-KHAN
"In short a staff member can get away with murder so long as his statistic is up and can’t sneeze without a chop if it’s down. To do otherwise is to permit some suppressive person to simply Ethics chit every producer in the org out of existence. When people do start reporting a staff member with a high statistic, what you investigate is the person who turned in the report. In an ancient army a particularly brave deed was recognized by an award of the title of Kha-Khan. It was not a rank. The person remained what he was, BUT he was entitled to be forgiven the death penalty ten times in case in the future he did anything wrong. That was a Kha-Khan. That’s what producing, high statistic staff members are – Kha-Khans. They can get away with murder without a blink from Ethics. The average fair to poor statistic staff member of course gets just routine ethics with hearings or courts for too many misdeeds. The low statistic fellow gets a court if he sneezes. Ethics must use all org discipline only in view of the production statistic of the staff member involved. And Ethics must recognize a Kha-Khan when it sees one – and tear up the bad report chits on the person with a yawn. To the staff member this means – if you do your job you are protected by Ethics. And if you aren’t so protected and your statistic is high, cable me. L. RON HUBBARD"

Anyone familiar with this? The only time I think I've heard it referenced was by Leah Remini. I believe she said that John Travolta was awarded with the title of Kha-Khan, meaning that Scientology will forgive murder up to ten times; that Scientology staff will just clean it up without a word. (forgive me if that's not exactly accurate. It's been in the back of my mind for a while. She said it on Joe Rogan)

From the LRH quotes I was able to pull up, it doesn't actually seem like a specific award. It seems like a blanket rule that applies to all staff with up stats. It doesn't seem like this is actually the case even at that level. How literal is "getting away with murder without a blink from ethics"? Does this mean:
a) they'd actually clean it up
b) They won't sec check you about it
c) They won't bring it up till your stats are down

He also defines it as forgiving the death penalty up to ten times, but Scientology doesn't have a death penalty. Would LRH be referring to an action that could result in the wog world death penalty? That doesn't seem likely, but it's the only explanation I can think of for the way Leah described it. Are there any other examples of it being awarded to a specific person, or any examples of it in practice?

Not literally murder (at least in most cases).

There's a phrase in US English, "getting away with murder", meaning "doing things without the consequences that regular people might experience", as a consequence of favoritism shown by those who deal out punishments for violations of laws or rules.

What I HAVE seen happen, is that those who were seen as making money for Scientology (and thus Hubbard) could get away with breaking laws and rules. Like financial fraud (as long as the victims were "nobodies") or sexual offenses (like sex with minors). Having sex with a 13 year old? As long as you are producing for the Org, it's fine.

 

[Helena Handbasket]

A theta trap is anything that can hold a thetan (spirit) and keep them from going where they will. In some cases, theta traps were put out there to catch "pranksters" and prevent them from doing wrong to others. Sometimes, someone would be released from a theta trap proper only to be conscripted as a clerk or whatever.

But one of the most effective theta traps ever was a fetus in a uterus. Thetans would actually fight to be the one to claim the new body. The way it works is, you would put attention on an available body, then it would pull you in, and that would become your body for the next lifetime.

One theoretical option is to not reincarnate (the word, after all, means go once more into meat). But we seem to be compelled to do so; how exactly I don't know. See Death and immortality | Fresh New Ideas for more of my views on the subject.

And are thetans genderless? I say that the gender of a thetan is whatever they decide they are.

Helena

 

[Babel]

I get the impression that this sentence is basically all there is to it. (I've also heard that it has to do with being in present time). That's virtually all there is to it, with one slight tweak. The person "originating" that realization (above) would have to "feel good about it" --meaning that they would have to laugh or smile, or minimally have a knowing grin. This is the scientific proof that is necessary to give them a completion certificate.

Far out. I guess that's a good way to make sure that when you go clear, you aren't too pissed that he didn't just tell you that to begin with.

At what point do you actually find out what the clear cognition is? When you go clear, they don't actually tell you the sentence that made you go clear, do they?

Also, how much of a difference is there between auditing engrams and auditing BTs? Is it basically the same process? Big difference. When you audit engrams, you ERASE them. When you audit BTs the BTs eject from your body and travel into deep space or wherever they are supposed to go.

Understood. But is the actual process of getting rid of them fundamentally different? Are you living their memories or talking to them?

If you have this many confusions and uncertainties, it indicates that you need auditing in order to go Clear. We are quite pleased to give you a free "tech estimate" of how many hundreds of hours will be required to erase that mess inside your mind. When you are Clear, you won't be wasting any more valuable time by wondering about anything Hubbard says that doesn't make sense. You'll have a feeling of serenity & certainty that Dr. Hubbard has already done all the heavy lifting for you. When you're Clear you can really relax and stop worrying so much about things that don't concern you.

I got the bracelet already, so I'm not sure why I would need auditing. Is there a new golden age of tech bracelet that'll work better or something?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

"THETA TRAPS, how can you trap a thetan? By curiosity, by giving him awards and prizes (of an implant), by retractor screens, by mock-ups, by ornate buildings which he will enter unsuspectingly to be electroniced down: by many such means
the thetan is reduced from knowing to a colonist, a slave, a MEST body. All theta traps have one thing in common: they use electronic force to knock the thetan into forgetting, into unknowingness, into effect. Their purpose is to rid the area of those nuisances, the thetans who cannot be policed, and gain personnel–always the former, not always the latter. (HOM, pp. 71-72)"

Serious language barrier on this one.

Does "trap a thetan" mean "confine to a body"?

Does "Awards and prizes (of an implant)" mean that the thetan's ambition is used against it (thetans are genderless, right?) and that when the thetan wins a prize he unknowingly receives an implant with it? Does refer to something specific? I don't remember the Xemu story including any awards or prizes with the implants. Is there any chance he's implying that each step up the bridge is awarded with one more implant?

What are "retractor screens"?
Is "electroniced" a scientology word? What does that mean?
Is a colonist a wog or a human?

"Their purpose is to rid the area of those nuisances, the thetans who cannot be policed, and gain personnel–always the former, not always the latter."
Can someone please translate this sentence?



Thanks for all the responses so far. Ya'll are the best.

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SIMPLE ANSWER: The universe is at war and has been for hundreds of quadrillions of years. The free god-like spirits (OTs) versus the evil spirit trappers/slavers.

Implants and other heinous entrapment methods are set up like roadside booby traps all over the Galaxy, in order to force the free good beings to lose their magical powers. These traps take away their ability to "exteriorize" from their bodies. The electronic traps zap their memory too so they think they only live once and can't remember shit from the past 807 quadrillion years.

Only Ron has figured out how to avoid colliding with these roadside IEDs. Not improvised explosive device----but INTERGALACTIC ENGRAM DEVICE. Ron has the map showing the location of all these land-mines and space-mines, so you can travel at full speed on the safe pathways that have already been "swept". Ron, in this way, is both "Mankind's Greatest Mine Sweeper" & "Mankind's Greatest Mind-Sweeper".

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[Enthetan]

"Their purpose is to rid the area of those nuisances, the thetans who cannot be policed, and gain personnel–always the former, not always the latter."
Can someone please translate this sentence?

Keep in mind that all this is coming from a science fiction writer who is spinning a story, and expecting his followers to believe it's true. He tosses out vague terms that he often doesn't define.

One story line that winds through his mythology, is that a galactic confederation rounded up troublesome beings, those who would not obey, and trapped them on Earth, and made them think they are just humans, instead of immortal and powerful spiritual beings. And that this is the real history of humanity.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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BABEL REPLIED:
Far out. I guess that's a good way to make sure that when you go clear, you aren't too pissed that he didn't just tell you that to begin with. At what point do you actually find out what the clear cognition is? When you go clear, they don't actually tell you the sentence that made you go clear, do they?

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ANSWER: It is strictly FORBIDDEN for anyone to ever suggest, hint at or even talk about the magical words contained in the Clear Cognition. While this sounds like a joke, it's not. lol The PC would have to magically say it on their own. Don't worry, this is very scientific because the auditor is monitoring all this with a very advanced, high-tech diagnostic device, the e-meter. If the PC says the magic words and their needle does not "float", the auditor would not accept the "clear cog". This helps the PC enormously because they then have a huge opportunity to get their new tech-estimate. Did i mention before that it's totally FREE, while supplies last?

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[Babel]

ANSWER: It is strictly FORBIDDEN for anyone to ever suggest, hint at or even talk about the magical words contained in the Clear Cognition. While this sounds like a joke, it's not. lol The PC would have to magically say it on their own. Don't worry, this is very scientific because the auditor is monitoring all this with a very advanced, high-tech diagnostic device, the e-meter. If the PC says the magic words and their needle does not "float", the auditor would not accept the "clear cog".

No case on post. But the auditor knows what they're looking for. Is the cog only accessible through a specific auditor training, or is it somewhere in the OT levels?

This helps the PC enormously because they then have a huge opportunity to get their new tech-estimate. Did i mention before that it's totally FREE, while supplies last?

I said I have the bracelet already. Plus, I'm on adderall and acid. Please put me on the do not call list.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

No case on post. But the auditor knows what they're looking for. Is the cog only accessible through a specific auditor training, or is it somewhere in the OT levels?
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But wait, are you actually asking about these basic things like whether auditor training is on the OT levels?

I mention that because you seem to know quite a bit of esoterica that normally only an ex-scientologist would know, like. . .

"no case on post"​

That's a pretty sophisticated level of familiarity. Maybe I missed it, you were a Scientologist at one time?

Apologies if you are a well-known poster on ESMB with a history known to others... I have a serious backlog of CVs in my in-basket that i really need to get to! LOL

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[Babel]

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But wait, are you actually asking about these basic things like whether auditor training is on the OT levels?

I mention that because you seem to know quite a bit of esoterica that normally only an ex-scientologist would know, like. . .

"no case on post"​

That's a pretty sophisticated level of familiarity. Maybe I missed it, you were a Scientologist at one time?

Apologies if you are a well-known poster on ESMB with a history known to others... I have a serious backlog of CVs in my in-basket that i really need to get to! LOL

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Aren't you a scientologist for life if you ever walk in the front door of an org? By that metric I am.

I've spent probably around 1000 hours researching it. Going clear, inside scientology, A to Xenu, Bare faced messiah, Ruthless, the blogs, Jeffrey Augustine's podcast a couple times all the way through. Chris Shelton's podcast is great too. I've listened to some LRH lectures, but I can't really stomach the actual writing. I'm like, halfway through ethics and I'll get around to history of man eventually. Also a big fan of scientology tv.

Edit: I never gave them any money.

Edit 2: I stopped watching the Leah Remini show cause there wasn't much new info, but I think it's funny how when she hears some horror story she'll sometimes say something to the effect of "I just wanna kick that osa guy in the nuts and push him down the stairs"

Edit 3: I'm no fun at parties.

 

[stratty]

"THETA TRAPS, how can you trap a thetan? By curiosity, by giving him awards and prizes (of an implant), by retractor screens, by mock-ups, by ornate buildings which he will enter unsuspectingly to be electroniced down: by many such means
the thetan is reduced from knowing to a colonist, a slave, a MEST body. All theta traps have one thing in common: they use electronic force to knock the thetan into forgetting, into unknowingness, into effect. Their purpose is to rid the area of those nuisances, the thetans who cannot be policed, and gain personnel–always the former, not always the latter. (HOM, pp. 71-72)"

Serious language barrier on this one.

Does "trap a thetan" mean "confine to a body"?

Does "Awards and prizes (of an implant)" mean that the thetan's ambition is used against it (thetans are genderless, right?) and that when the thetan wins a prize he unknowingly receives an implant with it? Does refer to something specific? I don't remember the Xemu story including any awards or prizes with the implants. Is there any chance he's implying that each step up the bridge is awarded with one more implant?

What are "retractor screens"?
Is "electroniced" a scientology word? What does that mean?
Is a colonist a wog or a human?

"Their purpose is to rid the area of those nuisances, the thetans who cannot be policed, and gain personnel–always the former, not always the latter."
Can someone please translate this sentence?



Thanks for all the responses so far. Ya'll are the best.

Asking questions about thetans, reactive minds, implants, bt's, MEST, clears, OT's and all the rest of it is a complete waste of time. All you need to know about them is that they are the figments of a deranged narcissists imagination and have no counterpart in the real world.

 

[Babel]

But wait, are you actually asking about these basic things like whether auditor training is on the OT levels?

I mean, it seems obvious that you would have to already be clear if you were gonna be auditing a PC and know the clear cog. If you're clear, you're almost OT.

 

[Lee #28]

I mean, it seems obvious that you would have to already be clear if you were gonna be auditing a PC and know the clear cog. If you're clear, you're almost OT.

Not really.....the Case Supervisor would be making decisions on that....and verifying.

But most likely yes....the Auditor would be a Clear.

IF one is going to take this road in the Cult.....( which I don't recommend!)

Getting to Clear....could be done in a short amount of time...a couple of months.

OT 7, for example, could take 7 or 8 or 12 YEARS of daily auditing.....to complete.

So, no, Clear is not "almost OT."

In the Cult, as one progresses.....it takes longer and longer to complete any level....

In the Cult as one progresses....it takes more and more and more money to do these levels....