How Many Churches of Scientology in the World?

[Karen#1]

Excerpt:

I originally did this post in 2019 and it cited the scientology newsroom website, so I went to check this site to ensure what was said was still accurate.

Scientology is REALLY not keeping their webites current.

This is the main page concerning the status of orgs — and it talks about the fake expansion that occurred in the 10 years subsequent to 2004. In other words, this information is from 2014. Apparently there has been no growth since that time — and the statement (this is exactly what it says Over 11,000 Scientology Churches, Mission and affiliated groups exist across 167 nations, four times in just 10 years. Presumably this means it has grown by a factor of four in just 10 years (in 2014).~~~READ MORE

How Many Churches of Scientology in the World?

www.mikerindersblog.org

 

[La La Lou Lou]

Excerpt:

I originally did this post in 2019 and it cited the scientology newsroom website, so I went to check this site to ensure what was said was still accurate.

Scientology is REALLY not keeping their webites current.

This is the main page concerning the status of orgs — and it talks about the fake expansion that occurred in the 10 years subsequent to 2004. In other words, this information is from 2014. Apparently there has been no growth since that time — and the statement (this is exactly what it says Over 11,000 Scientology Churches, Mission and affiliated groups exist across 167 nations, four times in just 10 years. Presumably this means it has grown by a factor of four in just 10 years (in 2014).~~~READ MORE

How Many Churches of Scientology in the World?

www.mikerindersblog.org

Groups of three that sometimes do TRs if they feel like it.

 

[Reyne Mayer]

from what i recall, there are something like 135-140 local orgs. and then on top of that maybe what, a dozen advanced orgs of one sort or another, including Flag?

and i will have to try to do a new count of missions, but the CoS has redone their website so that there's no list of missions that you can look up, you have to go through area by area and see what they serve up as being nearby. i think the number that they actually list is around 30, with only around 10 having real old school storefront or walkup locations any more, and the rest being buried in some space in office complexes or else in someone's home; i do find that there are some in those latter 2 categories that aren't listed on the website that do show up elsewhere online as having some sort of existence (which must be too minimal for the CoS to want visitors show up at them), plus there may well be a bunch of mission packages sold that are nothing more than stacks of boxes in someone's back room.

and of course at almost none of the local orgs, do we ever see pictures of more than a couple dozen people even for major events. Flag gets by with their auditorium that holds up to 1,500 but is never clear from photos that crowds are even close to that -- and they no longer use Ruth Eckerd Hall (cap. 2200) like they used to. they are lucky if they have even 11,000 truly active members anymore.

if anyone knows more about what's really going on, and how it works with missions, i'd be interested to hear.

 

[Enthetan]

and i will have to try to do a new count of missions, but the CoS has redone their website so that there's no list of missions that you can look up, you have to go through area by area and see what they serve up as being nearby.

Ever since the Mission Holders Conference, Scientology has been trying to kill off the missions and field auditors. Orgs flow a higher percentage of their gross uplines, and it's always a case of "how can we get THIS WEEK'S stats up?", with no regard for what happens next week or next year.

It's ingrained in the culture. There's no point in worrying about next year when you have little confidence that you will be on post then, especially if you sacrifice part of this week's stats for the sake of a future you may not be around to benefit from.

 

[Isaac]

Here is a photo of the St Louis Ideal Org
taken not too long ago by friends visiting Lafayette Square. It’s Ideal alright ….
It’s boarded up and for sale.

 

[Isaac]

White: I took the Scientology personality test so you don’t have to

If you’ve driven through downtown St. Paul in the last decade or so, you may have passed the local Church of Scientology. It is a large, eccentric building marked by the silver Scientology symbol — a stylized “S” threaded through a pair of triangles. When I saw it for the first time a few months...

mndaily.com

Rave reviews from local Minnesotans for the Ideal Org in Minnesota

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Ever since the Mission Holders Conference, Scientology has been trying to kill off the missions and field auditors. Orgs flow a higher percentage of their gross uplines, and it's always a case of "how can we get THIS WEEK'S stats up?", with no regard for what happens next week or next year. It's ingrained in the culture. There's no point in worrying about next year when you have little confidence that you will be on post then, especially if you sacrifice part of this week's stats for the sake of a future you may not be around to benefit from.

Truth!

Perhaps one of the most dispositive confirmations of that would be the infamous "GEPC".

Golden Era of Postulate Checks.

Exhilarated Scientologists around the world posted Gross Income stats so soaring that at the Apollo Flagship with Dr. Hubbard aboard, the graphs couldn't even contain the mindblowing upward "POWER" spikes--resulting in graph paper additions traveling up to the top of the wall and continuing on the ceiling! This was truly an IDEAL SCENE of epic proportions.

The result, however, was not a Cleared planet.

The result was that all the people who signed the postulate checks later stopping payment and/or (if a check somehow got cashed) becoming so betrayed & bewildered that they blew.

And the result for all the people who coerced and collected those fugazi postulate checks was that they were declared SP.

And that's all that happened (i.e. DBs who blew and SPs who knew). Remarkably, all of that happened after Scientologists had given their flowing & glowing huge wins. That's the part of Scientology they never tell you about. You're just supposed to fixedly focus on others' success stories and not invalidate their wins by asking them what happened later. LOL.

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[The_Fixer]

Excerpt:

I originally did this post in 2019 and it cited the scientology newsroom website, so I went to check this site to ensure what was said was still accurate.

Scientology is REALLY not keeping their webites current.

This is the main page concerning the status of orgs — and it talks about the fake expansion that occurred in the 10 years subsequent to 2004. In other words, this information is from 2014. Apparently there has been no growth since that time — and the statement (this is exactly what it says Over 11,000 Scientology Churches, Mission and affiliated groups exist across 167 nations, four times in just 10 years. Presumably this means it has grown by a factor of four in just 10 years (in 2014).~~~READ MORE

How Many Churches of Scientology in the World?

www.mikerindersblog.org

Well, I guess that's like 11,000 more than we need?

 

[Chuck J.]

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Here is a photo of the St Louis Ideal Org
taken not too long ago by friends visiting Lafayette Square. It’s Ideal alright ….
It’s boarded up and for sale.

Those would make great apartments.

 

[Reyne Mayer]

Here is a photo of the St Louis Ideal Org
taken not too long ago by friends visiting Lafayette Square. It’s Ideal alright ….
It’s boarded up and for sale.

they have had that building on the market for 5 or 6 years now, i think. they supposedly put it up for auction once, but still didn't sell it - i'm guessing they want and unrealistic amount of money for it. but the taxes on the building are something like $50k per year, meaning they've spent more than a quarter million dollars sitting on it with unrealistic expectations. they seem to me massively dysfunctional about things like that....

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Unless I am mistaken, it seems like Scientololgy in St. Louis is booming.

There is so much power expansion that they needed two (2) Ideal Orgs!

It's a shame Scientology had to spend $17,000,000 on that last one (directly above) because
if Scientology "Clearing" and "OT Levels" actually delivered the magical powers that
Hubbard guaranteed, the org could have bought a run-down rusty trailer and
billionaires would have still shown up to get the miraculous superpowers.

The purchase cost would only be approximately $2,000
plus the cost of the remodeling, as follows:
Paint: $179
LRH bronze bust: $7,000
Three (3) used clipboards: $6
Coin operated toilet paper vending machine: $115
Misc expenses (mimeo machine, goldenrod paper,
firehose for overboarding tech, success forms, etc): $700

TOTAL COST: $10,000

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It could operate on only 4 staff members (Auditor, Registrar, Course Supervisor & Executive Director). They could all sleep in the trailer at night, so they won't need to violate Dr. Hubbards policy against "moonlighting" to get outside jobs in order to pay for an apartment elsewhere.

This would be an ideal start for an ideal org. Once they get going they would occasionally bump into a super-upstat whale who could donate at least $10,000,000 and those funds could then be used to buy and establish another 1,000 ideal orgs—which would make planetary clearing a reality!

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[Isaac]

Those would make great apartments.

Make an offer
They Real Estate Company apparently has been suppressed from quoting a price
It’s a High Crime punishable by “Off with your head”

LRH refers to it in his super secret Landlord’s Office Tek deeming it “Muzzled Marketing Tactics”

 

[Isaac]

Unless I am mistaken, it seems like Scientololgy in St. Louis is booming.

There is so much power expansion that they needed two (2) Ideal Orgs!

It's a shame Scientology had to spend $17,000,000 on that last one (directly above) because
if Scientology "Clearing" and "OT Levels" actually delivered the magical powers that
Hubbard guaranteed, the org could have bought a run-down rusty trailer and
billionaires would have still shown up to get the miraculous superpowers.

The purchase cost would only be approximately $2,000
plus the cost of the remodeling, as follows:
Paint: $179
LRH bronze bust: $7,000
Three (3) used clipboards: $6
Coin operated toilet paper vending machine: $115
Misc expenses (mimeo machine, goldenrod paper,
firehose for overboarding tech, success forms, etc): $700

TOTAL COST: $10,000

​

It could operate on only 4 staff members (Auditor, Registrar, Course Supervisor & Executive Director). They could all sleep in the trailer at night, so they won't need to violate Dr. Hubbards policy against "moonlighting" to get outside jobs in order to pay for an apartment elsewhere.

This would be an ideal start for an ideal org. Once they get going they would occasionally bump into a super-upstat whale who could donate at least $10,000,000 and those funds could then be used to buy and establish another 1,000 ideal orgs—which would make planetary clearing a reality!

..

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[Isaac]

Unless I am mistaken, it seems like Scientololgy in St. Louis is booming.

There is so much power expansion that they needed two (2) Ideal Orgs!

It's a shame Scientology had to spend $17,000,000 on that last one (directly above) because
if Scientology "Clearing" and "OT Levels" actually delivered the magical powers that
Hubbard guaranteed, the org could have bought a run-down rusty trailer and
billionaires would have still shown up to get the miraculous superpowers.

The purchase cost would only be approximately $2,000
plus the cost of the remodeling, as follows:
Paint: $179
LRH bronze bust: $7,000
Three (3) used clipboards: $6
Coin operated toilet paper vending machine: $115
Misc expenses (mimeo machine, goldenrod paper,
firehose for overboarding tech, success forms, etc): $700

TOTAL COST: $10,000

​

It could operate on only 4 staff members (Auditor, Registrar, Course Supervisor & Executive Director). They could all sleep in the trailer at night, so they won't need to violate Dr. Hubbards policy against "moonlighting" to get outside jobs in order to pay for an apartment elsewhere.

This would be an ideal start for an ideal org. Once they get going they would occasionally bump into a super-upstat whale who could donate at least $10,000,000 and those funds could then be used to buy and establish another 1,000 ideal orgs—which would make planetary clearing a reality!

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A UTR ex Scientologist poster here who wishes to remain anonymous sent me the photo of the only two “dyed-in-the-wool “ Scientology Staff members left in St Louis after a mass exodus.

Apparently Chad and Stephanie Lane are Staffers willing to sacrifice their lives to Keep Scientology Working to service the four states surrounding the Ideal Org in St Louis


In fact, the mole revealed that Mrs. Chad Lane just realized she is mocking up her own reactive brain but can stop and control it…..

I think it would serve these two radicalized Scientologists to look into building a
TINY ORG….much more econimical
Here is one for $725.00.

Craftsman Style House Plan - 1 Beds 1 Baths 432 Sq/Ft Plan #890-11

This craftsman design floor plan is 432 sq ft and has 1 bedrooms and has 1 bathrooms.

www.google.com

just like Tiny Houses seem to be the trend
Scientology’s leader David Miscavige must come to present time and look into building upstat
“TINY ORGS” to accommodate the shrinking bubble of Scientologists

 

[Enthetan]

I think it would serve these two radicalized Scientologists to look into building a
TINY ORG….much more econimical
Here is one for $725.00.

That was the original model for Scientology.

Field auditors process friends, friends of friends, etc, and send satisfied PC's to Missions, who give them more processing and the Comm Course and HQS course, and send them to Central Orgs for their Grades and full auditor training .

Meanwhile ASHO would have cranked out highly trained auditors to become field auditors and man up the Org and Mission HGCs.

It would have worked, too, if the tech worked. But it didn't.

 

[Reyne Mayer]

A UTR ex Scientologist poster here who wishes to remain anonymous sent me the photo of the only two “dyed-in-the-wool “ Scientology Staff members left in St Louis after a mass exodus.

wow, is it really true that there are only 2 real staff members left?

there have been quite a few insiders or those with inside connections who have posted about this org over at Mike Rinder's over the years, i think more so than any other org for some reason -- it seems average to small.

from what i remember it seems to have an ugly and dysfunctional history going back at least to what looked to me like a suspicious purchase of the building at the height of the real estate bubble from someone who was flipping it, and accusations against Chad Lane (ED?) including that he'd taken big commissions off of questionable fundraising. people went bankrupt, and there seemed to be a surprising number of deaths including suicides.

before the pandemic there were reports that quite a few public had moved to Clearwater having decided that the staff was hopelessly riddled with SPs.

i'm pretty sure that within just the last couple of years there were reports of a fair number of cars in the parking lot, recognized as belonging to people including i think some well known staff members.

did staff recently leave like members had?

 

[Isaac]

wow, is it really true that there are only 2 real staff members left?

there have been quite a few insiders or those with inside connections who have posted about this org over at Mike Rinder's over the years, i think more so than any other org for some reason -- it seems average to small.

from what i remember it seems to have an ugly and dysfunctional history going back at least to what looked to me like a suspicious purchase of the building at the height of the real estate bubble from someone who was flipping it, and accusations against Chad Lane (ED?) including that he'd taken big commissions off of questionable fundraising. people went bankrupt, and there seemed to be a surprising number of deaths including suicides.

before the pandemic there were reports that quite a few public had moved to Clearwater having decided that the staff was hopelessly riddled with SPs.

i'm pretty sure that within just the last couple of years there were reports of a fair number of cars in the parking lot, recognized as belonging to people including i think some well known staff members.

did staff recently leave like members had?

The mole says there are a few hardcore radicalized Scientologists working on staff left
that have been around for a long time
claiming they will go down with the ship as they are too far gone and have no ability to use logic or reason.
that seems to be the case in every Org
Miscavige is able to keep them hypnotized and under his thumb

 

[Enthetan]

The mole says there are a few hardcore radicalized Scientologists working on staff left
that have been around for a long time
claiming they will go down with the ship as they are too far gone and have no ability to use logic or reason.

They will keep at it until they are physically unable to work both a staff job and the side job needed to keep food on the table.

And then they will find themselves old, with no significant Social Security work history, and no retirement savings.

 

[Reyne Mayer]

The mole says there are a few hardcore radicalized Scientologists working on staff left
that have been around for a long time
claiming they will go down with the ship as they are too far gone and have no ability to use logic or reason.
that seems to be the case in every Org
Miscavige is able to keep them hypnotized and under his thumb

thanks for that insight. there are reports from the shrinking 'dog org' Plymouth in the UK that sound sort of similar, that staff recognize scn may be failing now but figure that's how they'll run out this lifetime.

some of the orgs still have quite a few staff and do a fair bit of business as discussed on some of the other threads here, though a lot seem to be pretty shrunken and down to a hard core of dead-enders.

is there any info on just how many staff there really are in St. Louis now? i think the last reports were of something like 8-12 cars in the parking lot at times, one maybe semi-abandoned. it's still something of a mystery whether places like this are down to a couple, or 6 or even 12 covering all shifts, and just how the low the ratio to active members is -- even some larger orgs seem like they could be around 1 staff to every 2 really active members.

eta: also, multiple checks on the Plymouth org show them no longer keeping full hours, and there are scattered reports of other orgs being found closed, though it's not clear yet if that is widespread -- and also, 1 or 2 orgs in the US or Canada have been reported as having been found with closed front doors, entry being through a side door.

 

[onceuponatime]

Latest count I've heard is 135 Class V orgs with about half located in the US. This is after getting rid of the CC network and no longer double counting day and foundation. If you split them into D & F you'd double the number but it's just fluff. Every org is supposed to have some supporting missions around it but in the US this isn't the case. Many orgs don't have any missions around them at all and for those that do the missions don't do anything significant. I've heard it can be better in other countries but in the US the mission network is effectively dead, they don't produce anything. I think there are two missions in the US that do anything of significance, Belleair and South Coast. The SO delivery orgs are CC Int, AOLA, ASHO, AOSHEU, St. Hill, AOSH ANZO, AOSH Africa, FSO and FSSO. If Class V orgs already barely produce anything then missions produce an order of magnitude less. Not quite the numbers they claim, but I'm sure this FEBC evolution will solve everything.