DONOR DRAMA: Stunning new data on the life cycle of a Scientology whale!

[Karen#1]

TONY ORTEGA
Excerpt:

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For years, we’ve been fascinated by the behavior of Scientology’s whales. These are the really big donors, the ones who give the church more than $1 million just in straight donations, above and beyond what they spend for courses, auditing, accommodations and the rest.

They’re a rare breed, and it’s even more rare to get some insight into the life cycle of a whale. But this week, what a treat we have in that regard.

For many years, Jim Speiser has been a prominent veterinarian in the Indianapolis area, and an enthusiastic Scientologist.

Scientology targets veterinarians, along with chiropractors and dentists, with their sneaky business consulting front groups such as Sterling Management and many others. These groups sell the idea that L. Ron Hubbard invented the most effective business methods of all time. (Up front, however, they don’t usually mention that Hubbard said he had taken those business organization ideas from an “old galactic civilization” that had used them for “80 trillion years.”) If the vet or dentist or chiro will just take on Hubbard’s business policies, it will take care of staffing headaches, and allow them to spend time on actually treating patients, or whatever.

The catch is that along with using Hubbard’s business methods, there will then be considerable pressure on the chiro or vet to start taking Scientology courses, and then to put even more pressure on the staff to knuckle under as well.

Over the years, this has resulted in numerous EEOC actions and lawsuits as workers sometimes object to being forced into Scientology as a part of their employment in a veterinary clinic or dentist’s office.

We don’t know if Jim ever asked his employees to go to Clearwater with him for Scientology seminars, but he has been a very dedicated church member over many years.

Records indicate that he’s reached numerous milestones: The L Rundowns (early 1990s), Clear (2003), OT 3 (2003), OT 7 (2008) and Super Power in 2015.

In 2018, Jim was featured in one of the early Meet a Scientologist videos at the new Scientology TV channel (see above), and there was a corresponding piece in Freedom Magazine. (Remember when Freedom was still publishing stuff?)

Today his practice in Indianapolis delivers 24-hour critical care, seven days per week in addition to the more basic veterinary services. He employs specialists in surgery, internal medicine, ophthalmology and other specialties, making it the premiere veterinary hospital in the state of Indiana. General practitioners in the area use his facility for their own patients that need a CAT scan, an MRI or lengthy rehabilitation.

Jim made his first appearance here at the Underground Bunker in January 2021, when he was featured for completing his Class V auditor “interneship.” So at the same time he owned and ran a major vet hospital in Indianapolis, he was training to be a Scientology auditor at the Cincinnati Ideal Org (which is actually across the river in Florence, Kentucky).

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We next noticed last June that he was stepping up with donations (“Vanguard” = $35,000) for a new Ideal Org in Battle Creek.

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And then in November, Jim finally revealed his major whale status when he was listed as “Gold Meritorious With Honors,” which translates to $1.75 million, and only in regards to donations to the International Association of Scientologists (IAS), which is Scientology’s membership organization. This does not count the money he had given for new buildings.

Thar she blows!

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There would then be pressure on Jim to keep forking over donations so that he could reach the next status level, Platinum Meritorious, at $2.5 million.

But what’s this? In October, Jim’s hospital announced that he was retiring. And Indiana business records indicate that the hospital had undergone a change in ownership structure the year before.

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So what’s a whale going to do in retirement? Hivemind, what is your experience? Are retired whales under just as much pressure to keep forking over more and more cash?

We have very little data on this.

But then, new information arrived.

Will you get a load of this!

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Jim joined the Cincinnati Ideal Org as a staffer!

That means he signed a 2.5- or 5-year contract, and will be working for peanuts, if he’s paid at all. We assume he’s been hired on as an auditor, which he was training for.

Wow. This guy could be spending his retirement traveling or hanging out with his kids or whatever.

Instead he’s going to be an E-meter jockey in a hapless “Ideal Org” in Kentucky.

We’re not even sure what to think.

Community, please help us out here.



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[Enthetan]

Nice kids. Scientology will want to seize them for the Sea Org, so they can blackmail their father to maintain whale status in exchange for being allowed to see his kids.

 

[Reyne Mayer]

Nice kids. Scientology will want to seize them for the Sea Org, so they can blackmail their father to maintain whale status in exchange for being allowed to see his kids.

i was wondering what actually goes on in families like that. the few professionals left in the CoS such as the father, are just the sort of parents i would expect to push their kids to get educated and become professionals themselves -- not fall into scientology's accelerating trend towards Luddism, eschewing education, and going into lines of business that require just the hard sell of snake oil and vaporware, if not outright defrauding of wogs.

what is happening with whales' kids? i just saw someone point out that there's research that children of true believers tend to abandon their parents' faith, though of course that's not always the case.

 

[Reyne Mayer]

as i wrote over at The Bunker, this seems to me like an example of how $cn is facing a demographic cliff, as their core of diehard members ages out.

they may get some work out of him for a couple more years, but they will never get the cash flow they used to.

and this is also why missions are quickly dying out, it was that generation that supported them, in many cases in space adjacent to their real business with the pretense of a separate address (or suite number), or even just in the back of it.

p.s. vets, dentists, chiros, etc. were suckers for the WISE pitch of making more money, as they tend to be jealous of what is raked in by real MDs -- who have that advantage in part because they tend to be more highly trained, research-based and rigorous thinkers (some fall for other things, but i think it's notable that there are almost none in $cn, particularly now).

 

[Lee #28]

I didn't read every post here......but IMO, he was probably regged for staff continually.....and finally gave in.

Love bombed.....and all.

Pressured......as no alternative....

Orgs are very desperate for Staff.....

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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And yes, the term "DOG PCs" actually appears
in a real bulletin, LOL (HCOB June 15, 1972) where
Hubbard asserts that there are no failed cases
because standard tech works 100% of the time.


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[Enthetan]

I didn't read every post here......but IMO, he was probably regged for staff continually.....and finally gave in.

Love bombed.....and all.

Pressured......as no alternative....

Orgs are very desperate for Staff.....

I'm thinking that, as he has retired, he can have time to be on staff, and live off his retirement assets.

Except that the org will reg him continuously and incessently for his retirement nest egg.

 

[Enthetan]

and this is also why missions are quickly dying out, it was that generation that supported them, in many cases in space adjacent to their real business with the pretense of a separate address (or suite number), or even just in the back of it.

Field auditors would work out of their personal homes, many having a day job. This would let them do whatever auditing at home, and if they didn't have a PC that night just kick back and watch TV or go to bed early with the spouse.

I'm thinking (don't know) that some missions might be either the working space or the residential space of the mission holder (which would allow them to keep the mission going even if there's not much income coming in). I know that, just for laughs a few years ago, I would call missions listed on the Scientology site, and the phone would be answered with the message of some business.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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("DOG PCs")
LINK HERE (page 147)

HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex

HCO BULLETIN OF 15 JUNE 1972


IMPORTANT

C/S Series 80

“DOG PCs”​

AN AUDITOR WHO CANNOT AUDIT, WHOSE TRs ARE OUT, WHOSE METERING IS BAD AND WHO NEVER KEEPS THE CODE ALWAYS SAYS HIS PCs ARE DOGS.

When you find an auditor on this route, the remedy is:

1. Show him this HCO B and explain to him that an auditor is not likely to get any real results when he is so out of ARC with pcs.

2. P/L 3 May 72, 2 lists L & N by an auditor.

3. Get off his overts and omissions on pcs and pull his w/hs.

4. Check out his meter position so that he can see needle, paper and pc all in the same look without eye shift and drill him to do so.

5. Educate his left thumb so that he corrects a TA on BDs and catches the F/N and doesn’t leave the needle stuck to the right of the dial while the pc F/Ns and corrects only after the F/N has been O/R.

6. Make him do an Electronic attest and get his TRs up to where the pc has a chance to be in session.

7. WC M4 him on his materials so he isn’t swimming in misunderstoods. 8. Tell him there are no dog pcs now and get busy and help them out. WHOLE HGC An entire HGC can go bad this way. Shortly afterwards it will disintegrate and you will have few or no auditors left. Some auditor who is covering up his overts, false bonuses or false stats begins it and it becomes “fashionable” to call various pcs dogs. Then other auditors, finding this an easy way to justify not trying hard, follow suit.

Next thing you have no HGC. C/S ERROR A C/S can err by being too critical of auditors. Or worse he can err by agreeing about what dogs the pcs are. If he does HE HAS NOT REALIZED THAT HIS C/S EFFORTS ARE BEING WASTED BY THE AUDITOR’S OVERTS, FALSE REPORTS, METERING, CODE AND TR FLUBS.

The way to handle this in the C/S is:

1. 3 May 72 P/L. ​

2. M4 on the C/S Series. ​

3. Require he listen to and okay ok to audit tapes. ​

4. Get him to come down on critical auditors with the above cramming action. ​

Suddenly this C/S will begin to get wins. CASES Every “dog pc” investigated traced to incompetent programming, C/Sing, out TRs, bad metering, Code breaks and bad lists. By forcing an auditor to cool off his opinions and properly handle the pc, each one of these “dog pcs” has begun to fly.


L. RON HUBBARD
Founder LRH:
Copyright © 1972 by L. Ron Hubbard
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

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[Reyne Mayer]

I'm thinking (don't know) that some missions might be either the working space or the residential space of the mission holder (which would allow them to keep the mission going even if there's not much income coming in).

i've built on someone else's work and looked into a bunch of them. it seemed it used to be that a lot of the missions listed like in the back of editions of WIS were really old field auditing practices, though those have either been winnowed out or vanished in the last decade or so. it's a bit hard to tell as there seem to be some 'zombie' missions that still exist in some form though apparently not enough to get listed on the CoS website; and then some of those that are listed, like one in Maine, the one in Boulder, and a couple of others, i suspect are just field auditing practices able to keep up appearances enough to still get an entry. some like in New Orleans are now in homes though they at least once had better space, even if it maybe it was just in someone's business location. a few must just be in the back room of a business, or in an adjacent space whose cost gets lumped in with business expenses and is probably easier to ignore. i think there are only about a dozen left that have a real dedicated standalone space of their own with street frontage, and a couple of those appear to me to be in buildings that the mission holder has probably owned free and clear for a long time, meaning there is no obvious rental expense even though as a practical matter they are foregoing the income that could be had from renting it to a real business.

 

[Enthetan]

and a couple of those appear to me to be in buildings that the mission holder has probably owned free and clear for a long time, meaning there is no obvious rental expense even though as a practical matter they are foregoing the income that could be had from renting it to a real business.

After what happened in the Mission Holder's Conference, where mission holders were ordered to sign over real estate, it's very risky to operate a Scientology mission out of personally-owned space.

It's safest to operate out of a rented space, where if you are forced out, the mission MUST close.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

i've built on someone else's work and looked into a bunch of them. it seemed it used to be that a lot of the missions listed like in the back of editions of WIS were really old field auditing practices, though those have either been winnowed out or vanished in the last decade or so. it's a bit hard to tell as there seem to be some 'zombie' missions that still exist in some form though apparently not enough to get listed on the CoS website; and then some of those that are listed, like one in Maine, the one in Boulder, and a couple of others, i suspect are just field auditing practices able to keep up appearances enough to still get an entry. some like in New Orleans are now in homes though they at least once had better space, even if it maybe it was just in someone's business location. a few must just be in the back room of a business, or in an adjacent space whose cost gets lumped in with business expenses and is probably easier to ignore. i think there are only about a dozen left that have a real dedicated standalone space of their own with street frontage, and a couple of those appear to me to be in buildings that the mission holder has probably owned free and clear for a long time, meaning there is no obvious rental expense even though as a practical matter they are foregoing the income that could be had from renting it to a real business.

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I think your noble effort to try and conduct a legitimate and accurate "count" of orgs and missions is almost certainly missing data. In order to do a proper census I believe that one should start with published COS records, which (because they are "in writing") tend to be extremely accurate.

For example, here is a screen capture of a verified document released by Scientology management in writing from their SuperBowl commercial, which over 1 billion people could have seen. In such a scenario, it is indisputable that senior Scientology leadership would have released unaudited numbers—because any one of those "over 1 billion" viewers could have spotted an inaccuracy in the church's numerical and statistical representations and reported it in a no-nonsense Knowledge Report or even to the police in their local towns and cities!

Unless you have something else in writing, I suggest you start with the 11,000 number and simply ask the COS for the addresses of all of those, which you can (at your personal expense) go and verify first hand:

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* the misunderstood word that many are struggling with is the word "GROUPS", which dictionaries define as "2 or more persons". Thus when any married couple or 2 friends walk into any Scientology center for the first time and they buy one (1) copy of DIANETICS before leaving, they are logically assumed to be co-auditing each other to Clear, because people don't spend good money for nothing! Two (2) people collaborating to get Ron's engram erasing technology applied on this planet certainly constitutes a Dianetic auditing group. Unless these two new Scientology auditors later officially resign from Scientology and provide perfected legal written notice to the org that they have disbanded, the church can and should legitimately continue to count them as one of the 11,000 active groups.



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[marra]

I didn't read every post here......but IMO, he was probably regged for staff continually.....and finally gave in.

Love bombed.....and all.

Pressured......as no alternative....

Orgs are very desperate for Staff.....

Having been in a similar situation myself, although I never joined staff, I think he was desperately trying to figure-out how to get the reges to stop asking for more money. He must have thought that by joining staff he would become immune from reges. What a mistake. Now he has to work all hours, being treated like shit, and he'll still be asked constantly for donations. He needs to wake up.

 

[Enthetan]

Having been in a similar situation myself, although I never joined staff, I think he was desperately trying to figure-out how to get the reges to stop asking for more money. He must have thought that by joining staff he would become immune from reges. What a mistake. Now he has to work all hours, being treated like shit, and he'll still be asked constantly for donations. He needs to wake up.

When I joined staff, but was still making good money in my regular job, I was regged constantly.

The only way to make regges go away is to SAY NO and be OK with being as unpleasant as you need to be.

 

[Dotey OT]

There was a mantra at the org I worked: Reg or be regged. That was in the 90's. When I re-joined in 2016, they totally saw staff as reg fodder, chase wave for lack of a better term, with of course no regard to how the staff member was to work for peanuts and pay the charge cards. There was musical chairs in order to get people a better unit with which to pay the debt. Insanity prevails for the pursuit of GI.

 

[Enthetan]

There was musical chairs in order to get people a better unit with which to pay the debt. Insanity prevails for the pursuit of GI.

As long as the bulk of the money was sent "uplines", there was no possibility of org staff solvency.

 

[PirateAndBum]

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I think your noble effort to try and conduct a legitimate and accurate "count" of orgs and missions is almost certainly missing data. In order to do a proper census I believe that one should start with published COS records, which (because they are "in writing") tend to be extremely accurate.

For example, here is a screen capture of a verified document released by Scientology management in writing from their SuperBowl commercial, which over 1 billion people could have seen. In such a scenario, it is indisputable that senior Scientology leadership would have released unaudited numbers—because any one of those "over 1 billion" viewers could have spotted an inaccuracy in the church's numerical and statistical representations and reported it in a no-nonsense Knowledge Report or even to the police in their local towns and cities!

Unless you have something else in writing, I suggest you start with the 11,000 number and simply ask the COS for the addresses of all of those, which you can (at your personal expense) go and verify first hand:

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* the misunderstood word that many are struggling with is the word "GROUPS", which dictionaries define as "2 or more persons". Thus when any married couple or 2 friends walk into any Scientology center for the first time and they buy one (1) copy of DIANETICS before leaving, they are logically assumed to be co-auditing each other to Clear, because people don't spend good money for nothing! Two (2) people collaborating to get Ron's engram erasing technology applied on this planet certainly constitutes a Dianetic auditing group. Unless these two new Scientology auditors later officially resign from Scientology and provide perfected legal written notice to the org that they have disbanded, the church can and should legitimately continue to count them as one of the 11,000 active groups.

Another thing to note about that 11,000 number is that it does not say "active". I would venture that this number counts every group that ever was formed no matter that it was disbanded in 1950.

As to this poor ex-vet being regged, there is not much to reg the guy for at the local org. He's done everything they deliver. The only thing left is the IAS and begging for help to pay the utility bills. I suppose they could also hit him up for loans to other scilons, but he should already be wary of that insanity.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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As to this poor ex-vet being regged, there is not much to reg the guy for at the local org. He's done everything they deliver. The only thing left is the IAS and begging for help to pay the utility bills. I suppose they could also hit him up for loans to other scilons, but he should already be wary of that insanity.

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He seems like a nice guy.

But, something ain't right. Why is an intelligent professional fellow wearing a jumbo OT BRACELET?

Has he ever looked up the definition of "OT"?

Of course he has.

Has he ever done a clay demo of "OT"?

Of course he has.

Has he ever attested that he attained the state of "OT"?

Of course he has.

But there is a profound, even scary, disconnect
between what exists in his mind and what exists in reality.

This same unreality is why he cheerfully joined staff to
help Ron attain his dream of a Clear planet.

It's pretty hilarious actually that a genuine OPERATING THETAN
who is total cause over matter, energy, space and time needs to
wear a tawdry trinket on their wrist so that people know they
have magical and miraculous god-like supernatural powers.

If OTs actually had any of those abilities, they wouldn't need to wear
a corny cult ID bracelet. They could simply demonstrate a miracle.
Think of it this way, when someone shows up at a neurology clinic
for a serious diagnostic examination, the doctor doesn't show
up with a bracelet that says: "BRAIN SURGEON"


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[Enthetan]

But, something ain't right. Why is an intelligent professional fellow wearing a jumbo OT BRACELET?

One time when I was wearing my Clear bracelet to the dentist office, he took hold of it and looked at the other side because he thought it was a MedicAlert bracelet

(You wear a MedicAlert bracelet if you have a condition that care-givers would need to know about if you were unconscious, the info is inscribed on the skin-side)

 

[Dotey OT]

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Jim joined the Cincinnati Ideal Org as a staffer!

He looks like a nice guy.

I am going back to Bill Franks

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He seems like a nice guy.

But, something ain't right. Why is an intelligent professional fellow wearing a jumbo OT BRACELET?

Has he ever looked up the definition of "OT"?

Of course he has.

Has he ever done a clay demo of "OT"?

Of course he has.

Has he ever attested that he attained the state of "OT"?

Of course he has.

But there is a profound, even scary, disconnect
between what exists in his mind and what exists in reality.

This same unreality is why he cheerfully joined staff to
help Ron attain his dream of a Clear planet.

It's pretty hilarious actually that a genuine OPERATING THETAN
who is total cause over matter, energy, space and time needs to
wear a tawdry trinket on their wrist so that people know they
have magical and miraculous god-like supernatural powers.

If OTs actually had any of those abilities, they wouldn't need to wear
a corny cult ID bracelet. They could simply demonstrate a miracle.
Think of it this way, when someone shows up at a neurology clinic
for a serious diagnostic examination, the doctor doesn't show
up with a bracelet that says: "BRAIN SURGEON"


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That's funny. I had started a post but hadn't finished with those same words. But what rang a bell here was what Bill Franks had said in one of his interviews, so I was re-listening to them as I worked. I hadn't gotten to the part I was thinking of, but he spoke about how scn had trapped some nice people that wanted to help. That it what he seems like. I think that applied to many of us, and it probably does for him.