LISA MARIE PRESLEY HAD PLANNED TO TAKE 5TH AMENDMENT: Danny Masterson Trial, Day 17TONY ORTEGANOV 8

[Lee #28]

Here's a brand new video from Tony O about Lisa Marie Presley's testimony:

Breaking: Lisa Marie Presley news

Amazing new information came out today at the Danny Masterson trial.

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It is unfortunate (to say the least) that the Judge won't allow any statements from Lisa Marie about Scientology or Sea Org persons or person that basically talked her into a Crime....that of Obstruction of Justice.

If Lisa Marie were allowed to do so.....then the State could use that information to Make A Case against Scientology....which would be so good.
The State could then make a Criminal Investigation of Scientology....with all the bells and whistles...

 

[Type4_PTS]

A A Ron speaking with Attorney Zac Morgan about Lisa's testimony

 

[lotus]

Zac Morgan said there is a status of limitation for obstruction
So, being further prosecuted is not the point?

 

[mimsey borogrove]

I always figured her marriage to Michael Jackson was a Celebrity Center ( or above in hierarchy ) plot and scheme....

I felt very sorry for her. She must be under all kinds of subterfuge from the Cult over the years...just because of who she is related to.

The entire Michael Jackson thing was just too weird...

And when she realized her scio staff was spying on her - pink slips all around. Poor girl. I can understand her predicament. Damn blood suckers. Mimsey

 

[mimsey borogrove]

It is unfortunate (to say the least) that the Judge won't allow any statements from Lisa Marie about Scientology or Sea Org persons or person that basically talked her into a Crime....that of Obstruction of Justice.

If Lisa Marie were allowed to do so.....then the State could use that information to Make A Case against Scientology....which would be so good.
The State could then make a Criminal Investigation of Scientology....with all the bells and whistles...

She may blurt it out and the judge may then have to admonish the jury.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

She may blurt it out and the judge may then have to admonish the jury.

True.

But, if the full story only comes in during the CIVIL TRIAL, that is still a sensationally great development.

It keeps the cult treachery in the news, blogs and tabloids after the criminal trial is over.

And it created new sensational warning alarms for the general public about that sociopathic cult during what will almost certainly become a wildly scandalous trial (civil).

It makes me reflect upon the Debbie Cook trial and wonder how much money the cult will try to throw at the rape victims in the civil action to make it go away. What's it worth to the cult to prevent them from testifying in open court about the Fair Game terrorism that Scientology uses against its enemies and against its own members?!

And the specter of Lisa Marie Presley testifying against Scientology (civil trial) is in every way a much more terrifying nightmare than the Debbie Cook trial ever was. Sweet dreams, Scientology, "You ain't seen nothin' yet".

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[Lee #28]

Zac Morgan said there is a status of limitation for obstruction
So, being further prosecuted is not the point?

Don't know how to answer you. It is complex. I'm having trouble wrapping my wits around it.....too.

Morgan is bringing up many legal concepts.....

I suggest you watch the video again.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I doubt that there will be a civil trial. Miscavige will write as large of a check as needed to settle. I bet he'd even pay Masterson's share as well if necessary to make this whole case go away.

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That's certainly a viable exit strategy for the cult.

However, the plaintiffs can still inflict any measure of litigation and public relations pain upon the cult by going straight forward into the civil trial and not lose the opportunity for a big cult settlement check.

The dynamics are very favorable for the victims to continue the torture as long as they please. Because (unless limited by statute in CA) the damages that could be awarded by the jury could be some truly mindblowing amount (see recent civil judgment against Alex Jones in the amount of $965,000,000!).

The cult has to worry about what a jury might do. And the longer the civil trial exposes the COS' crimes and psychopathic terrorism, the greater the damage to Scientology's rapidly dwindling public image.

There will be some very fascinating discussions between the civil defense lawyers and their clients, especially if there is not a global settlement that all parties sign onto. Naturally, lawyers seeing a dreamy big number being offered to their clients are required to advise them that if they don't accept it there is no guarantee that they will win the civil trial.

Certainly all the elements are there for a huge settlement number because the victims' motivation will be very great to take the money and be done with it. That's what the civil case is about--just money and how much. And the lawyers, obviously, will want to settle if they are on a contingency. And the cult will want to settle because it only takes 5 seconds to sign a check and the money doesn't even belong to the person signing it.

Miscavige can simply say "pay it" and go and play golf the rest of the day; and then parishioner donations will be used to pay off the tens or hundreds of millions. Wait, I forget whether Miscavige is personally named in the civil lawsuit. But even if he is, the cult will pay any liability.

SO IN THE END, WHO EXACTLY PAYS FOR ALL OF THIS EVIL?

ANSWER: The same party as always. The obliviously spaced out and "winning" Scientology marks. LOL. Just think about how this works in the real world. Somewhere Donnie Donor is losing his house to foreclosure—because he donated to the IAS "to safeguard Scientology". And all his donation actually safeguarded was a serial rapist and his cult enablers.


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[mimsey borogrove]

True.

But, if the full story only comes in during the CIVIL TRIAL, that is still a sensationally great development.

It keeps the cult treachery in the news, blogs and tabloids after the criminal trial is over.

And it created new sensational warning alarms for the general public about that sociopathic cult during what will almost certainly become a wildly scandalous trial (civil).

It makes me reflect upon the Debbie Cook trial and wonder how much money the cult will try to throw at the rape victims in the civil action to make it go away. What's it worth to the cult to prevent them from testifying in open court about the Fair Game terrorism that Scientology uses against its enemies and against its own members?!

"And the specter of Lisa Marie Presley testifying against Scientology (civil trial) is in every way a much more terrifying nightmare than the Debbie Cook trial ever was. Sweet dreams, Scientology, "You ain't seen nothin' yet"." HH

Hold on there a moment Pilgrim. She was only granted immunity in the rape case - she still may need a similar granting of immunity in the civil action, if they want to get her on the record.

Mimsey

 

[Type4_PTS]

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I forget whether Miscavige is personally named in the civil lawsuit.

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I believe he was personally named.

SCIENTOLOGY ARBITRATION DENIED: Appeals court revives lawsuit by Masterson accusers | The Underground Bunker

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[Lee #28]

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That's certainly a viable exit strategy for the cult.

However, the plaintiffs can still inflict any measure of litigation and public relations pain upon the cult by going straight forward into the civil trial and not lose the opportunity for a big cult settlement check.

The dynamics are very favorable for the victims to continue the torture as long as they please. Because (unless limited by statute in CA) the damages that could be awarded by the jury could be some truly mindblowing amount (see recent civil judgment against Alex Jones in the amount of $965,000,000!).

The cult has to worry about what a jury might do. And the longer the civil trial exposes the COS' crimes and psychopathic terrorism, the greater the damage to Scientology's rapidly dwindling public image.

There will be some very fascinating discussions between the civil defense lawyers and their clients, especially if there is not a global settlement that all parties sign onto. Lawyers seeing a dreamy big number being offered to their clients is required to advise them that if they don't accept it there is no guarantee that they will win the civil trial.

Certainly all the elements are there for a huge settlement number because the victims' motivation will be very great to take the money and be done with it. That's what the civil case is about--just money and how much. And the lawyers, obviously, will want to settle if they are on a contingency. And the cult will want to settle because it only takes 5 seconds to sign a check and the money doesn't even belong to the person signing it.

Miscavige can simply say "pay it" and go and play golf the rest of the day; and then parishioner donations will be used to pay off the tens or hundreds of millions. Wait, I forget whether Miscavige is personally named in the civil lawsuit. But even if he is, the cult will pay any liability.

SO IN THE END, WHO EXACTLY PAYS FOR ALL OF THIS EVIL?

ANSWER: The same party as always. The obliviously spaced out and "winning" Scientology marks. LOL. Just think about how this works in the real world. Somewhere Donnie Donor is losing his house to foreclosure—because he donated to the IAS "to safeguard Scientology". And all his donation actually safeguarded was a serial rapist and his cult enablers.


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I agree....but the problem with these type of deals.....is that it would most likely come with many restrictions.....

Like not talking about any aspect of the deal.....not talking about Scientology.....not writing a book or doing a movie deal....

Basically what I am saying is that one would be tied to Scientology for the rest of one's life.....with legal agreements...such as Non Disclosure Agreements....

Is that worth it?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I agree....but the problem with these type of deals.....is that it would most likely come with many restrictions.....

Like not talking about any aspect of the deal.....not talking about Scientology.....not writing a book or doing a movie deal....

Basically what I am saying is that one would be tied to Scientology for the rest of one's life.....with legal agreements...such as Non Disclosure Agreements....

Is that worth it?

It all depends on WHEN the settlement is reached.

For example, within days of Debbie Cook taking the witness stand in the cults lawsuit against her, the COS folded and paid her (reportedly) millions. Yes, there was a confidential settlement agreement but all the damage to the COS had already been done. She gave testimony under oath. I can't see where it would have made any difference if there was or wasn't a confidentiality clause--other than the COS would want to keep her off the internet and talk shows. Not a big deal because there are so many OTHER whistleblowers on those venues, one more would not make any difference.

Any justice met out in the civil case will only be in 2 forms:

1. MONEY PAID TO PLAINTIFFs: They deserve it. A check for some unspecified millions will be paid by cult donors to those victims. And the donors in 98% of those cases will have zero idea where their donation went, because they are forbidden from reading or watching anything negative about the cult. Management won't pay anything, only the obliviously dumbed-down-donors will pay--that's the rule in cults.​

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2. A DETERRENT TO OTHERS TO NOT ENGAGE IN SUCH ILLEGAL & HARMFUL ACTS: In this realm, the public will generally know that Scientology paid millions, just not the exact number of millions. And unless there is a stratospheric settlement figure (like the Alex Jones $965M judgment) I don't think there is any real difference whether the dollar amount is published or kept confidential.​

The irony in all this is that the only people who have to pay for Scientology's crimes are the same people who keep giving standing ovations and cheering at events where the guilty perpetrators are making speeches. LOL

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[HelluvaHoax!]

Hold on there a moment Pilgrim. She was only granted immunity in the rape case - she still may need a similar granting of immunity in the civil action, if they want to get her on the record.

As immunity has been offered for testimony in the criminal case, those things that Lisa Marie did or did not do in the obstruction of justice are non-actionable, wherever such admissions surface. Thus, it wouldn't make any difference that she (later) testifies in a civil trial, shares the story on a TV talk show or writes a song about it.

I wonder what Scientologists (who don't know LMP is an enemy of the cult) will say in their DISCONNECTION letter when they find out she is testifying against the cult and its "OT" celebrity Masterson?

Dear Lisa Marie,​

​

I have always been a big fan of yours, but I was thoroughly shocked and disappointed to learn that you​

disclosed confidential and terribly damaging information about my religion, Scientology. Therefore I am​

unfriending you on Facebook and also disconnecting from you in both the MEST and the THETA universes!​

​

As a Scientologist in good standing, I always choose the greatest good for the dynamics. My goals​

are to create a world without insanity and criminality. You are obviously against those goals and you​

showed it by trying to help prosecute an upstat celebrity OT just because he committed so-called ​

"criminal" and "insane" serial rapes. ​

​

I pray that you come to your senses so I will leave the door open a crack. However unless you do a full​

A to E and handle your declare, I don't ever want to see you or talk to you again, you defrocked SP bitch!​

​

ARC,​

​

Mom​

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[lotus]

I still say it smells a Scientology op to muzzle her. Dm shall be terrified he is named and subpoenaed to the " witness " stand.

 

[lotus]

As immunity has been offered for testimony in the criminal case, those things that Lisa Marie did or did not do in the obstruction of justice are non-actionable, wherever such admissions surface. Thus, it wouldn't make any difference that she (later) testifies in a civil trial, shares the story on a TV talk show or writes a song about it.

I wonder what Scientologists (who don't know LMP is an enemy of the cult) will say in their DISCONNECTION letter when they find out she is testifying against the cult and its "OT" celebrity Masterson?

Dear Lisa Marie,​

​

I have always been a big fan of yours, but I was thoroughly shocked and disappointed to learn that you​

disclosed confidential and terribly damaging information about my religion, Scientology. Therefore I am​

unfriending you on Facebook and also disconnecting from you in both the MEST and the THETA universes!​

​

As a Scientologist in good standing, I always choose the greatest good for the dynamics. My goals​

are to create a world without insanity and criminality. You are obviously against those goals and you​

showed it by trying to help prosecute an upstat celebrity OT just because he committed so-called ​

"criminal" and "insane" serial rapes. ​

​

I pray that you come to your senses so I will leave the door open a crack. However unless you do a full​

A to E and handle your declare, I don't ever want to see you or talk to you again, you defrocked SP bitch!​

​

ARC,​

​

Mom​

​

​

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oh, Come on Hoaxy
Is this the same letter you used when you
disposed of Christine ???

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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oh, Come on Hoaxy
Is this the same letter you used when you
disposed of Christine ???
☺

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Wait, um....wait...Christine?

Who dat?

I may need to get out my Self Analysis perceptic wheel for this one, I am stumped! LOL

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[mimsey borogrove]

As immunity has been offered for testimony in the criminal case, those things that Lisa Marie did or did not do in the obstruction of justice are non-actionable, wherever such admissions surface. Thus, it wouldn't make any difference that she (later) testifies in a civil trial, shares the story on a TV talk show or writes a song about it.

I wonder what Scientologists (who don't know LMP is an enemy of the cult) will say in their DISCONNECTION letter when they find out she is testifying against the cult and its "OT" celebrity Masterson?

Dear Lisa Marie,​

​

I have always been a big fan of yours, but I was thoroughly shocked and disappointed to learn that you​

disclosed confidential and terribly damaging information about my religion, Scientology. Therefore I am​

unfriending you on Facebook and also disconnecting from you in both the MEST and the THETA universes!​

​

As a Scientologist in good standing, I always choose the greatest good for the dynamics. My goals​

are to create a world without insanity and criminality. You are obviously against those goals and you​

showed it by trying to help prosecute an upstat celebrity OT just because he committed so-called ​

"criminal" and "insane" serial rapes. ​

​

I pray that you come to your senses so I will leave the door open a crack. However unless you do a full​

A to E and handle your declare, I don't ever want to see you or talk to you again, you defrocked SP bitch!​

​

ARC,​

​

Mom​

​

​

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Why do you think it is non actionable? Lisa Marie lawyered up and cut an immunity deal to testify in the rape case - obviously, her obstructing justice in a felony is actionable in the eyes of her attorney. Consider who got her to do an illegal action, the Cof S, likely on orders from OSA. Are they going to sit still and let her testify in the civil case, or are they going to fair game her by sicing the cops on her? I assume the latter - they will want to press charges against her, try to spin it that it was her action, not theirs. Scientology is not a turn the other cheek religion.

No my friend, she needs immunity in both cases.

Mimsey

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Why do you think it is non actionable? Lisa Marie lawyered up and cut an immunity deal to testify in the rape case - obviously, her obstructing justice in a felony is actionable in the eyes of her attorney. Consider who got her to do an illegal action, the Cof S, likely on orders from OSA. Are they going to sit still and let her testify in the civil case, or are they going to fair game her by sicing the cops on her? I assume the latter - they will want to press charges against her, try to spin it that it was her action, not theirs. Scientology is not a turn the other cheek religion.
No my friend, she needs immunity in both cases.

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We can look for a lawyer to weigh in on that further. Place your bets now, LOL.

Let me try to explain further. If the government grants a party immunity in a CRIMINAL case (to testify and) that party is later involved in a CIVIL case (again as a witness), the parties in the civil case have no legal standing to take action for crimes.

All they can do is REFER the "incriminating evidence" back to the government (District Attorney) to be investigated. However, if the District Attorney already granted immunity, why would they investigate it? Thus, the scenario you are describing does not make any sense. In essence you are speculating that the DA would reverse and cancel the immunity at a later point. What makes you believe that is legal or even possible?

More to the point, if a DA had the power to arbitrarily REVOKE IMMUNITY, there would never be any instance where a witness would ever take an immunity deal in the first place.

Just understand that the CIVIL case does not have any criminal implications, even though anyone could elect to REFER the matter back to the government to investigate criminal matters. The CIVIL case only involves the plaintiffs (victims) and the defendants (Masterson and any other party named in the law suit). It is not a legal action by any DA or governmental agency. It's not different in that sense than two disputing parties taking their grievances to an ARBITRATION or a MEDIATION. It is no different than if LMP was a witness in a Com Ev or a Chaplain's Court at the COS. The cult can't criminally prosecute anyone either.

Do you have the mistaken idea that a civil case has something to do with the DA or criminal indictments/prosecution? It doesn't. The only connection between the criminal prosecution (trial) and a civil lawsuit is that both are adjudicated by judges in a governmental building. But there are hundred of other things that governmental buildings/employees are tasked with besides criminal matters (e.g. archiving birth certificates, issuing driver's licenses, selling fishing licenses, et al).

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[Lee #28]

^^^^^^^
I believe that bill Cosby is now out of jail because he was given immunity in a civil trial and he confessed to all kinds of criminal activities rapes drugs. Then it was decided to prosecute him criminally and he was found guilty and put in jail. But upon Appeal he was let out of jail and is now a free man because he had the immunity from the civil trial. So I don’t know it’s it’s it’s lawyer stuff I don’t know.
I’m just saying there looks to be a connection concerning immunity between criminal and civil situations to me.

 

[mimsey borogrove]

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We can look for a lawyer to weigh in on that further. Place your bets now, LOL.

Let me try to explain further. If the government grants a party immunity in a CRIMINAL case (to testify and) that party is later involved in a CIVIL case (again as a witness), the parties in the civil case have no legal standing to take action for crimes.

All they can do is REFER the "incriminating evidence" back to the government (District Attorney) to be investigated. However, if the District Attorney already granted immunity, why would they investigate it? Thus, the scenario you are describing does not make any sense. In essence you are speculating that the DA would reverse and cancel the immunity at a later point. What makes you believe that is legal or even possible?

More to the point, if a DA had the power to arbitrarily REVOKE IMMUNITY, there would never be any instance where a witness would ever take an immunity deal in the first place.

Just understand that the CIVIL case does not have any criminal implications, even though anyone could elect to REFER the matter back to the government to investigate criminal matters. The CIVIL case only involves the plaintiffs (victims) and the defendants (Masterson and any other party named in the law suit). It is not a legal action by any DA or governmental agency. It's not different in that sense than two disputing parties taking their grievances to an ARBITRATION or a MEDIATION. It is no different than if LMP was a witness in a Com Ev or a Chaplain's Court at the COS. The cult can't criminally prosecute anyone either.

Do you have the mistaken idea that a civil case has something to do with the DA or criminal indictments/prosecution? It doesn't. The only connection between the criminal prosecution (trial) and a civil lawsuit is that both are adjudicated by judges in a governmental building. But there are hundred of other things that governmental buildings/employees are tasked with besides criminal matters (e.g. archiving birth certificates, issuing driver's licenses, selling fishing licenses, et al).

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Oh, let me think - Hubbard said...um... Oh right - use TR 3 - it's OSA who will go after her by sicing the laws on her. It's not what the judge or attorneys will do during or after the civil trial, it's how OSA will fair game her. If she is granted immunity, it kneecaps that line of fair gaming. They can't wag a finger at her if she was granted immunity. It removes any legal jeopardy for testifying from their tool box. That doesn't mean they won't use other lines to extract revenge, just not that one.

MImsey