A Deeper and More Adventurous Study of Scientology

DanLocke

Member
I was involved with Scientology for years. Primarily as a staff member. Not a fan at all of the movement ("Clearing Earth") or the management. Also the way that it was marketed.

But, I very much like a lot of the tech.

Pertinent to discussion here is that I believe the management of Scientology, and Ron's own ideas about how to promulgate it, choked off a lot of its potential use. A metaphor I have is to imagine Euclid codifying geometry and deciding that it was potentially dangerous in the wrong hands, and determining that it had to be policed in its use. He then figured out Greek architecture and said "these are the approved uses - anything else is squirrel and I'll have your head if you do anything else with it" - if that were to happen, we'd have greek architecture everywhere. A nice "look", but we'd have missed out on many nice creations if that were to have been the case.

I was only a "public" Scientology for a short time. Most of my time I was on post. As crew, we were not encouraged to "talk tech" at all, other than, perhaps, to a word clearer. Due to that, I think we were sort of stuck on doric columns in a way, and we never really explored the subject.

I was heartened to hear a talk by Pam Kemp years ago, where she said that Ron had told her that he wanted her to know the tech so well that she (or any other student) could invent their own processes. I remember thinking while listening to that, "Where did that Ron Hubbard go?"

I understand "Standard Tech". I don't oppose Greek Architecture. I am fond of both. But, I don't think that's the farthest reach of the tech by a long shot.

One more thing - I think that conversation and discussion are amazing tools for living. I thing Scientologists should talk more and look more and discover more and experiment more and look at life and the tech as an opportunity for some adventure with experimentation.

What's all this add up to? I'd like to find more people who are still capable of looking at Scientology appreciatively rather than with a steely-eyed glare, and analytically rather than skeptically. I think that there's value yet to be discovered in its application. I'd like to find other people to discuss the subject with, in an attitude of curiosity.

Takers?
 
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Dan, I like the heck out of you and always did, but don't agree with you. Scientology is and always has been a scam.

You, however, have always been upbeat and positive and I think you would always be that way. If anyone, anywhere, ever gave you the opportunity to show your value, you'd meet or beat the bar. :yes:

You take lemon juice and make lemonade. It's the kind of guy you are. So if by golly, you squeezed what you could out of Scientology and found something for yourself, then good for you. It's not ALL bad, of course. There's just better stuff everywhere else that doesn't take your life and money away and give you a useless certificate for it.

I sincerely wish you all joy and happiness and hope all goes smoothly with the big move you've got coming up and you know I will always be your friend. I hope others here understand that you're a really good guy and treat you fairly, despite your strange shortcoming of still believing in a weird sci-fi cult (I tease the Dan. :coolwink: )

Merry Christmas, my friend. Peace and love to you and your family.

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PirateAndBum

Administrator
Staff member
Being skeptical and analytical are not mutually exclusive, especially when it comes to scn tech.

What tech training do you have?
 

Paul Adams

(Dulloldfart on ESMB)
I'm not averse to such discussion, Dan, although I think it's likely to be a waste of time in terms of discovering anything new. Why I say this is because of many advances by others, myself included. Scientology processes (I include NED here) run using "proper" Scn procedures tend to be very fragile, in the sense that they are not antifragile, if you're familiar with Taleb's very useful term -- more so after GAT but even pre-GAT (which I assume would be your main point of reference). One aspect of this fragility is the continual need for corrective actions, like the appropriate list for the procedure -- if doing it by the book. If not doing it by the book, I hear it can often be fixed somewhat sloppily.

Let's differentiate books here, say between a Class IV or V on the record (maybe being video'd, which the auditor might expect to go to RTC) and the same lower-level action being done by a veteran VIII off the record (i.e., not overseen).

I'll just toss in an amusing aside here about OT III. I sup'd this at AOSHUK and ITO for a few years. Now, I was punctilious about the procedure and when involved with someone's auditing would point out errors down to the comma (highly fragile), but looking through worksheets of solo auditors I was not involved with I would see the most God-awful departures from the "proper" way to do things, except they "got through the level" without any particular trouble. Of course, in this case the book is fiction and hence irrelevant, although other basic truths about auditing do apply. Anyway....​

I'll give my first personal experience of antifragility in auditing. I had just got back to the UK, 2006. I gave a session to someone who wanted his Clear auditing (several CCRDs and corrections and whatnot) sorted out. I said, well, no promises but let's try this. I used a meter. As far as I remember I basically ran the 6-Direction procedure on "his Clear auditing," i.e. after explaining the procedure the commands were something like "get the idea of all your Clear auditing, and put it above you" (meaning above your body/head). After the pc said he had executed the command, ack then "put it below you," (with acks, of course), "put it to the right of you," "put it to the left of you," put it in front of you," "put it behind you," "put it above you" etc. If doing something like this again I would add in the essential energy-exchange technique of Rub & Yawn, but I didn't know that then. After no more than 45 minutes of this he was blown out, said it was all fixed now, wow.

Now, the 6-Direction procedure is fairly sloppy, in that although the directions and their sequence is precise, exactly what the pc is putting around him is not. It seems to me that what is occurring is the most important charge related to the topic being addressed is being directly manipulated -- and discharged. The auditor doesn't know what this charge is or where it is to be found, but isn't giving precise (fragile!) commands like "move to the beginning of the incident" or "how could you help your mother" or "on [the topic], has anything been suppressed?" The auditor might say something like "take all the people, events, emotions and whatnot connected to [your topic] and put them above you" but what the pc is doing -- even when trying to follow the command given -- is focusing solely on the one crucial part of one related event that is plastered to the front of his nose at that exact moment and trying to put that above his head.

Talking of sloppy 6-dir, it can usefully be run -- preferably with Rub & Yawn because it discharges visibly and better -- not in formal session, even while literally waiting for the oven to heat up, or something.

Anyway, enough for now.
 

Paul Adams

(Dulloldfart on ESMB)
@Paul Adams

It wouldn't surprise me if brain endorphin effects (neuro-transmitters) could be produced faster with mind exerciser techniques rather than going through memories.
Maybe, but the purpose of most of my stuff is to get rid of the triggering by desensitising (discharging) the triggers. Any euphoria etc is a byproduct bonus and not the aim at all.

Some modules have different purposes, like reducing polarities (Dipoles, probably the most fun module); exploring one's subtle anatomy (RAW4); drilling to increase one's higher-sense perceptions (SpotAnAngel); and more. All free and available online 24/7.
 
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Veda

Well-known member
I was involved with Scientology for years. Primarily as a staff member. Not a fan at all of the movement ("Clearing Earth") or the management. Also the way that it was marketed.

But, I very much like a lot of the tech.

Pertinent to discussion here is that I believe the management of Scientology, and Ron's own ideas about how to promulgate it, choked off a lot of its potential use. A metaphor I have is to imagine Euclid codifying geometry and deciding that it was potentially dangerous in the wrong hands, and determining that it had to be policed in its use. He then figured out Greek architecture and said "these are the approved uses - anything else is squirrel and I'll have your head if you do anything else with it" - if that were to happen, we'd have greek architecture everywhere. A nice "look", but we'd have missed out on many nice creations if that were to have been the case.

I was only a "public" Scientology for a short time. Most of my time I was on post. As crew, we were not encouraged to "talk tech" at all, other than, perhaps, to a word clearer. Due to that, I think we were sort of stuck on doric columns in a way, and we never really explored the subject.

I was heartened to hear a talk by Pam Kemp years ago, where she said that Ron had told her that he wanted her to know the tech so well that she (or any other student) could invent their own processes. I remember thinking while listening to that, "Where did that Ron Hubbard go?"

I understand "Standard Tech". I don't oppose Greek Architecture. I am fond of both. But, I don't think that's the farthest reach of the tech by a long shot.

One more thing - I think that conversation and discussion are amazing tools for living. I thing Scientologists should talk more and look more and discover more and experiment more and look at life and the tech as an opportunity for some adventure with experimentation.

What's all this add up to? I'd like to find more people who are still capable of looking at Scientology appreciatively rather than with a steely-eyed glare, and analytically rather than skeptically. I think that there's value yet to be discovered in its application. I'd like to find other people to discuss the subject with, in an attitude of curiosity.

Takers?

This cut and pasted post has a link to an antecedents thread that you might find interesting.



Antecedent of COHA's Grand Tour process

Published in 1911.

"The Great work is the raising of the whole man to the power infinity."

"It deals with the magical practice of expanding consciousness to the stars and planets...
it is supposed to free his mind from its ordinary bounds."


The https://www.forum.exscn.net/threads/antecedents-of-scientology.50698/ thread
 

Voodoo

Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow
Maybe, but the purpose of most of my stuff is to get rid of the triggering by desensitising (discharging) the triggers. Any euphoria etc is a byproduct bonus and not the aim at all.

Some modules have different purposes, like reducing polarities (Dipoles, probably the most fun module); exploring one's subtle anatomy (RAW4); drilling to increase one's higher-sense perceptions (SpotAnAngel); and more. All free and available online 24/7.
Paul, can you recommend any solo assists a person can do to heal themselves of illness? I'm in need of some kind of miracle, right about now. I've got the big C.
 

Harden Long

OSA no esta hermOSA
Paul, can you recommend any solo assists a person can do to heal themselves of illness? I'm in need of some kind of miracle, right about now. I've got the big C.
If your C treatment is going nowhere I'd try this, Anti-Worm drug, Fenbendazole, effective at killing cancer cells | CANCERactive.
It worked on me and you can get it here w/o a script: Panacur Horse Dewormer Paste, 25 g
Before you laugh that it's veterinary, it's the same chemical that you'd get from a pharmacy IF you could get a doctor to prescribe it. Rub small amounts on the tumor area and it's more effective if mixed with DMSO solvent which carries it deeply into the tumor. You can use the dose calibration ring on the tube itself to mix it with water if your tumors are deeply internal. Then I'd drink it once a day which I did for 7 days in a row and almost all of my tumors disappeared after 3 mos doing this at the beginning of each month.
Fenbendazole resource – News, Research, Usage, Suppliers
Fenbendazole acts as a moderate microtubule destabilizing agent and causes cancer cell death by modulating multiple cellular pathways
 
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Paul Adams

(Dulloldfart on ESMB)
Paul, can you recommend any solo assists a person can do to heal themselves of illness? I'm in need of some kind of miracle, right about now. I've got the big C.
I see stress as having two main components: (1) the present-time real-life stressors, and (2) related charge from the past being brought unwittingly into present time (the baggage). For example, one has a lousy boss making work hard. Getting rid of the baggage associated with past work environments still leaves you with the same current boss, but maybe it is easier to tolerate him now. My stress-release stuff is aimed at (2).

Regarding illnesses, I don't have any particular non-medical regimen to suggest. I believe the general idea of the Scn approach to illness, addressing spiritual/emotional/mental factors as well as physical (medical) ones is valid, but I am not endorsing any specific Scn procedures.

There is also the Holmes and Rahe Stress Scale:

In 1967, psychiatrists Thomas Holmes and Richard Rahe examined the medical records of over 5,000 medical patients as a way to determine whether stressful events might cause illnesses. Patients were asked to tally a list of 43 life events based on a relative score. A positive correlation of 0.118 was found between their life events and their illnesses.

I incorporated that list into my basic PaulsRobot session procedure, accessed on the page below, bottom left first column. The idea is to look over the list and if anything bites take the charge off it using some combination of the three included procedures. It's all explained in the instructions.


Hope all that helps.
 
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Voodoo

Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow
If your C treatment is going nowhere I'd try this, Anti-Worm drug, Fenbendazole, effective at killing cancer cells | CANCERactive.
It worked on me and you can get it here w/o a script: Panacur Horse Dewormer Paste, 25 g
Before you laugh that it's veterinary, it's the same chemical that you'd get from a pharmacy IF you could get a doctor to prescribe it. Rub small amounts on the tumor area and it's more effective if mixed with DMSO solvent which carries it deeply into the tumor. You can use the dose calibration ring on the tube itself to mix it with water if your tumors are deeply internal. Then I'd drink it once a day which I did for 7 days in a row and my tumors disappeared after 3 mos doing this at the beginning of each month.
Fenbendazole resource – News, Research, Usage, Suppliers
Fenbendazole acts as a moderate microtubule destabilizing agent and causes cancer cell death by modulating multiple cellular pathways
Thanks, friend. I faithfully took Fenben and the recommended supplements for about nine months (this year) and had no success with it. Same with RSO, which I think slowed the cancer down, but did not kill it.

I'm quickly running out of time, so I've moved on to a completely different regimen that has Poly-MVA as the foundation. Along with that, I'm taking super high doses of Vitamin D, Resveratrol (grape seed extract), Curcumin, Co-Q 10, and CBD. We may start adding Turkey Tail extract as well.

If we can find the money, I'll also begin intravenous ozone and Vitamin C treatments with my doctor, but that's about $250 a week.
 

Voodoo

Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow
I see stress as having two main components: (1) the present-time real-life stressors, and (2) related charge from the past being brought unwittingly into present time (the baggage). For example, one has a lousy boss making work hard. Getting rid of the baggage associated with past work environments still leaves you with the same current boss, but maybe it is easier to tolerate him now. My stress-release stuff is aimed at (2).

Regarding illnesses, I don't have any particular non-medical regimen to suggest. I believe the general idea of the Scn approach to illness, addressing spiritual/emotional/mental factors as well as physical (medical) ones is valid, but I am not endorsing any specific Scn procedures.

There is also the Holmes and Rahe Stress Scale:

In 1967, psychiatrists Thomas Holmes and Richard Rahe examined the medical records of over 5,000 medical patients as a way to determine whether stressful events might cause illnesses. Patients were asked to tally a list of 43 life events based on a relative score. A positive correlation of 0.118 was found between their life events and their illnesses.

I incorporated that list into my basic PaulsRobot session procedure, accessed on the page below, bottom left first column. The idea is to look over the list and if anything bites take the charge off it using some combination of the three included procedures. It's all explained in the instructions.


Hope all that helps.
Thank you, Paul. I'll look into it.
 

Bill

Well-known member
I was involved with Scientology for years. Primarily as a staff member. Not a fan at all of the movement ("Clearing Earth") or the management. Also the way that it was marketed.

But, I very much like a lot of the tech.

Pertinent to discussion here is that I believe the management of Scientology, and Ron's own ideas about how to promulgate it, choked off a lot of its potential use. A metaphor I have is to imagine Euclid codifying geometry and deciding that it was potentially dangerous in the wrong hands, and determining that it had to be policed in its use. He then figured out Greek architecture and said "these are the approved uses - anything else is squirrel and I'll have your head if you do anything else with it" - if that were to happen, we'd have greek architecture everywhere. A nice "look", but we'd have missed out on many nice creations if that were to have been the case.

I was only a "public" Scientology for a short time. Most of my time I was on post. As crew, we were not encouraged to "talk tech" at all, other than, perhaps, to a word clearer. Due to that, I think we were sort of stuck on doric columns in a way, and we never really explored the subject.

I was heartened to hear a talk by Pam Kemp years ago, where she said that Ron had told her that he wanted her to know the tech so well that she (or any other student) could invent their own processes. I remember thinking while listening to that, "Where did that Ron Hubbard go?"

I understand "Standard Tech". I don't oppose Greek Architecture. I am fond of both. But, I don't think that's the farthest reach of the tech by a long shot.

One more thing - I think that conversation and discussion are amazing tools for living. I thing Scientologists should talk more and look more and discover more and experiment more and look at life and the tech as an opportunity for some adventure with experimentation.

What's all this add up to? I'd like to find more people who are still capable of looking at Scientology appreciatively rather than with a steely-eyed glare, and analytically rather than skeptically. I think that there's value yet to be discovered in its application. I'd like to find other people to discuss the subject with, in an attitude of curiosity.

Takers?
I fully understand the opinion that "there is something there" and "it should be studied." That was totally my opinion shortly after I got out of Scientology. Certainly "something happens" to many Scientologists -- which is why so many stayed for as long as we did.

I have attempted, in the years past, to look at Scientology technology analytically. I really wanted my time and work in Scientology not to be completely in support of something totally fraudulent.

When you evaluate Scientology one person at a time, you cannot come to any meaningful conclusions -- the results are so vague, so individual, so inconclusive. The only way to evaluate Scientology is by looking at all Scientologists. As a group, how are all Scientologists doing? The conclusion from that kind of evaluation is that Scientology doesn't produce anything significant and certainly not the "miracles" that Hubbard promised. That's Scientology as practiced by the "church" over the last 70 years.

Would further research improve that? Maybe. Would further experimentation uncover the "good parts" of Hubbard's tech? Maybe. I have no objection to any of that. Personally, I wouldn't waste my time -- but that's just me.
 

Harden Long

OSA no esta hermOSA
Thanks, friend. I faithfully took Fenben and the recommended supplements for about nine months (this year) and had no success with it. Same with RSO, which I think slowed the cancer down, but did not kill it.

I'm quickly running out of time, so I've moved on to a completely different regimen that has Poly-MVA as the foundation. Along with that, I'm taking super high doses of Vitamin D, Resveratrol (grape seed extract), Curcumin, Co-Q 10, and CBD. We may start adding Turkey Tail extract as well.

If we can find the money, I'll also begin intravenous ozone and Vitamin C treatments with my doctor, but that's about $250 a week.
Oh, those are all the supplements I would have recommended. I had an encysted tumor removed from just above my liver and it had shrunk from the large glob that had earlier showed up in the tests and when they took it out it looked like a golf ball according to the surgeon. So far I'm good. I brainstormed mixing fenbendazole, praziquantel, salicylic acid and DMSO and applied it topically with an eyedropper over the remaining tumors and they've all disappeared but 2 which have greatly diminished in size. I also take or took all of what you listed minus RSO which I'll promptly look up. The mixture carries the drugs via the DMSO right into the cysts/tumors without being wasted in non infected tissue so it's a very direct blast of a dose. I used to make the ozonated olive oil with my ozone generator and had multiple tablespoons of it a day and that may have helped too. Best of wishes to you.
 
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lotus

Gone away from madness!
Paul, can you recommend any solo assists a person can do to heal themselves of illness? I'm in need of some kind of miracle, right about now. I've got the big C.
Hi vodoo,
We are journeying that same path and I wish you the very best in finding physical, emotional and spiritual balance to help in restoring health at all level.

As far as I am concerned, $cientology has nothing of value to help a person in improving the health at all level. My personal observations, over the decades, speak for the opposite in regard to an unpreceding high rate of cancer and death in the young scientologists population. (Although I respect anyone who may think the opposite and believe in the tech to heal)

In case it can be of interest to you, or of any help, since I am working out the high level of toxic stress I encountered, I practice mindfulness guided meditations to address it. ( proven to be of help when facing severe diseases and high dress). It really helps to remain in the here and now and to avoid being overwhelmed with fear, angryness and thus, make good use of energy to reinforce immune system.

I am, for the last 6 months, also benefitingfrom chakra balancing guided meditations; Despite I didn't priory quite believed in it, I gave a try and was very surprise with extent of positive results I had in terms of releasing locked energies and feeling more balanced and better.

Should you want to give a try, may I suggest you to do a YouTube search for:

Jason Stephenson
Michael Sealy
Channels and look for the healing and chakras balancing meditations.

It must be done daily ( I do at least one in the morning and one at night) to expect inner change that will help a better energy flow and be followed by a better physical health.

However there is no magical stuff, it is know for a fact that making major changes where it is needed ( food, nutrition, exercices, removing toxic people and environment, addressing anxiety, angryness and resentment while one cultivates more gratefulness, joy, generosity to change the hormonal flow within the body)


Best to you
Lotus
:getwell:
 
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Paul, can you recommend any solo assists a person can do to heal themselves of illness? I'm in need of some kind of miracle, right about now. I've got the big C.
Ah Voodoo, my friend. :hug:

As a child, I knew an 86 year old Italian woman riddled with cancer who lived five doors away. My mother was a nurse and used to give her pain shots at night. She had been given just months to live and could hardly walk with a walker. We had no hope. Really, she was bad off.

That woman, (Mrs. Cheepa), started doing better when her daughter came to visit. It was so gradual, but the next thing you know, she was gardening and walking and cooking like a master and then the cancer went into recession and she went on to live for years. My mother was in shock. She was a devout Catholic, but not the miracle believing type like Mrs. Cheepa. :LOL:

So I'd say... socialize. Call your family, think of all the people you've loved and who have loved you and find them and spend time with them and enjoy them.

Do some inside gardening till the weather gets better!

Travel! I know a couple in their 90s with no health problems who have outlived half their kids and they've been going around in a camper for 20 years.

As far as auditing or counseling? Well I had an inspiration last night as a takeoff from Paul's post that may or may not help you. It helped me, though, so I'll share.

It occurred to me that part of the power of Jesus is for us to envision him dying so that we might envision ourselves dying because only after we really picture it completely, body withering, blood and everything else, just accept it without flinching, can we envision, feel and accept that life-giving revitalization of rebirth.

It sounds like a complicated concept, but really it's not. Physically, our brains fire up in an amazing way just before dying and we are capable of all sorts of things. Most miracles we hear about happen just as a person is close to dying. I used to think that was mostly drama and literary license, but I think, instead, that it is actually NECESSARY for us envision and accept our dying to feel that rebirth kick. I know I've certainly felt it when I had hit my lowest low many years ago. :yes:

So many thousands and thousands of books of people who were revitalized just as they were getting close to their time to die and I had stupidly always missed this obvious thread of commonality between all those stories, and the Jesus story. Why/How? Blocked out the obvious? Because it is, after all, blatantly obvious. :duh:

All of life does this, ya know?

And I think that's what Mrs. Cheepa did. Aside from the love of family in her life, she accepted her condition once her daughter was there, and then the miracle happened. She managed to stay alive, active and alert for years longer when her cells and organs suddenly revitalized and held back the cancer. She had no other treatment than painkillers and no changes to her normal Italian pasta, tomato and veg sort of diet. Of course, she looked forward to the joy of spending time with her daughter for one more day, every day.

I hope you're following all that and I hope I haven't freaked anyone out talking about death. I work with dying people all week long, so I'm used to it. This is NOT about suicide, because that's still a struggle, not a peaceful, deep acceptance of how are and how they are meant to be. Que sera. :bighug:

 
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Voodoo

Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow
Hi vodoo,
We are journeying that same path and I wish you the very best in finding physical, emotional and spiritual balance to help in restoring health at all level.

As far as I am concerned, $cientology has nothing of value to help a person in improving the health at all level. My personal observations, over the decades, speak for the opposite in regard to an unpreceding high rate of cancer and death in the young scientologists population. (Although I respect anyone who may think the opposite and believe in the tech to heal)

In case it can be of interest to you, or of any help, since I am working out the high level of toxic stress I encountered, I practice mindfulness guided meditations to address it. ( proven to be of help when facing severe diseases and high dress). It really helps to remain in the here and now and to avoid being overwhelmed with fear, angryness and thus, make good use of energy to reinforce immune system.

I am, for the last 6 months, also benefitingfrom chakra balancing guided meditations; Despite I didn't priory quite believed in it, I gave a try and was very surprise with extent of positive results I had in terms of releasing locked energies and feeling more balanced and better.

Should you want to give a try, may I suggest you to do a YouTube search for:

Jason Stephenson
Michael Sealy
Channels and look for the healing and chakras balancing meditations.

It must be done daily ( I do at least one in the morning and one at night) to expect inner change that will help a better energy flow and be followed by a better physical health.

However the is no magical stuff, it is know for a fact that making major changes where it is needed ( food, nutrition, exercices, removing toxic people and environment, addressing anxiety, angryness and resentment while one cultivates more gratefulness, joy, generosity to change the hormonal flow within the body)


Best to you
Lotus
:getwell:
I am so sorry to hear that you're a fellow sufferer. No one deserves this horrible outcome to their lives - least of all, those who've dedicated significant portions of their lives trying to help others, which I know you have.

I don't agree that there's nothing in Scientology that can help people in our situation, but as others have said, how do you go about isolating and identifying those bits and pieces that do have value? What works for one, may not work for all. Most certainly, none of it works for everyone, all of the time.

It's a very individual thing. The one constant that's real to me is, if it was created by LRH, it's worthless as a therapeutic practice. The only workable parts I know of, were developed by others. He was quite skilled at spotting and stealing workable therapies.

I do agree with you that certain meditative practices can help. I believe that some Scientology practices fall under that mantle, which is why I asked Paul if he was aware of any solo assists that might be of value in that way. Although I believe that such exist, I don't blame him for being unwilling to recommend them. In this perilous situation, his recommendation may not be the thing that works for me. I get it.

My illness is too advanced for me to do some of the other things you recommend, such as gardening. Most days, I'm too weak to even venture outdoors without assistance. Thankfully, my wife and our three boys are here to help me in my worst moments. I also have hospice care, which provides me with pain killers and other medical aids. I would have already succumbed if it weren't for them.

Anyhow, I just wanted you to know that I appreciate your effort to help me. Thank you.
 

Paul Adams

(Dulloldfart on ESMB)
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I do agree with you that certain meditative practices can help. I believe that some Scientology practices fall under that mantle, which is why I asked Paul if he was aware of any solo assists that might be of value in that way. Although I believe that such exist, I don't blame him for being unwilling to recommend them. In this perilous situation, his recommendation may not be the thing that works for me. I get it.
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I'm not withholding what I consider to be "the good solo stuff for illnesses" in case it doesn't work well for you personally. There's no more to it than what I said before, namely that my stress-release stuff is aimed at releasing charge on any topic whatsoever including illnesses.

I'll add one comment though. Rub & Yawn, described and explained at rubandyawn.com and elsewhere, seems to address (and fix!) loss of havingness, to use Scn terms. Hubbard's significance-based definitions of havingness, like "the ability to reach" or whatever, are utterly useless, as are his "think" procedures to repair it. Rub & Yawn came out of this: I was getting phone auditing from Robert D on R3X (basically R3R mainly whole-track, interspersed with the 6-Direction process). I was getting this auditing in LA lying on my bed, as usual, as it was comfortable and why not? Anyway, this time after (apparently) erasing a lot of stuff I was feeling really, really wiped out and suddenly realised this was merely loss of havingness. Aha! I spent the next 30 minutes, literally, forcefully "contacting the physical universe", in this case smacking my hand against solid objects, rubbing my arms, legs, chest, scratching my fingernails hard on bare arms and legs (no blood!), etc. It took that long, and that amount of forceful contact, to get my energy level back to acceptable and feeling alive again.

A quote from rubandyawn.com:

However, to release this bad energy, one must have an overall surplus of energy available. If the body is short of energy, it will try to hold on to all of it, both good energy and harmful energy. Energy is energy.
Rubbing the body seems to energise it, to give it more energy. This is the first part of Rub & Yawn. So you rub away furiously, rubbing your hands together, rubbing your arms and legs, rubbing your stockinged feet on the carpet, stamping your feet on the floor, squeezing your chair hard, thumping your fist on the table, in order to create this energy surplus.
You might recognise the concept in the first paragraph. I took it from Hubbard as it seems to be accurate.

Anyway, good luck.
 
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