Bob Hinson
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Are you sure that no one accomplish those things?Oh, yes! Show me where Hubbard said the ep of Scientology was "My space feels lighter!"
Are you sure that no one accomplish those things?Oh, yes! Show me where Hubbard said the ep of Scientology was "My space feels lighter!"
Define for yourself the definition of the word Scientology.Oh, yes! Show me where Hubbard said the ep of Scientology was "My space feels lighter!"
Do you believe that it the responsibility of the individual to avail themselves of the knowledge? If you didn't get the results you looking for perhaps you missed something. Try looking in the mirror and stop pointing your finger at someone else.Define for yourself the definition of the word Scientology.
There's no absolutes in this Universe.Do you believe that it the responsibility of the individual to avail themselves of the knowledge? If you didn't get the results you looking for perhaps you missed something. Try looking in the mirror and stop pointing your finger at someone else.
Show me one Clear who matches the definition in DMSMH. Show me one "OT" who has any super-normal abilities that they gained from Scientology. You prove someone accomplished any of those things.Are you sure that no one accomplish those things?
No.Define for yourself the definition of the word Scientology.
Do you believe that it the responsibility of the individual to avail themselves of the knowledge? If you didn't get the results you looking for perhaps you missed something. Try looking in the mirror and stop pointing your finger at someone else.
This really is Scientology Standard Tech: No "Clears"? Redefine "Clear". No "OTs"? Redefine "OT". Scientology fails and fails and fails? Redefine "Scientology". All solved!Define for yourself the definition of the word Scientology.
No! First it's nice to have a conversation with someone that can articulate. To many times these days it's difficult to find someone to have an intelligent conversation with.
I will do my best to address your issues.
For me personally it would seem we're on the same channel e.g. I don't own anything published after the early 80s. As I've said earlier I've been around this stuff for along time and I don't think it appropriate to go into details here.
I've seen the results of the tech when properly applied as well as poor delivery. It's also ones ability to duplicate. It takes as long as it
We were the non existent people. I should have said Hollywierd not LA. You also may of not heard of B-1. When MSH and the gang got busted everything changed. OSA were punks.
Ever hear of Snow White?
WhatThis really is Scientology Standard Tech: No "Clears"? Redefine "Clear". No "OTs"? Redefine "OT". Scientology fails and fails and fails? Redefine "Scientology". All solved!
Ok. I only asked if you were aware of it, (Snow White).Bob, there are many ex-scientologists on this board and elsewhere who were GOWW staff back when Snow White and all the other ridiculous programs were running ... and the stories have all been fully exposed by us for the world to read about if they are interested (which most aren't).
I disagree.This really is Scientology Standard Tech: No "Clears"? Redefine "Clear". No "OTs"? Redefine "OT". Scientology fails and fails and fails? Redefine "Scientology". All solved!
What
Ok. I only asked if you were aware of it, (Snow White).
Why on earth would I look for any "answers" on your posts? Seriously! You seem quite deluded and, at times, almost completely incomprehensible.I disagree.
I do know people that have accomplished those things. If you've been paying attention to my posts you would have gotten some of the answers that you seek. Apparently you just want to argue.
Great!Scientology taught me the importance of knowing my exact location. Thank you Ron!
Hip hip....
I used to call him Ronnie. That's how close I was to him.I'd say it exactly is the other way around. 'Hard' scientology is harmful and the scn environment like the SO is just abusive. Those who experience harm and abuse will naturally be hostile towards the source of said harm and abuse.
The fact that there are so many dissenters and critics doesn't mean that something is wrong with them, it means there is something wrong with scientology.
Sure. To use a non-scientology example: Not every Afghan vet has PTSD, but some do. Even people from the very same squad experience things differently depending on their life experiences, personality etc.
I'd again say it is the other way around. Let me re-phrase the question a bit to reflect my opinion correctly (hope you won't be mad because of the rewording):
Q: If those who are disapproving of Scientologyare "keyed in," "ARC broken," have "missed withholds." etc., have PTSD or experienced undue amounts of abuse, then how would an enthusiastic proponent of Scientology/Hubbard be characterized?
A: An enthusiastic proponent of Scientology/Hubbard can be characterized an someone who unwittingly propagates abuse.
I know - I was one myself.
My frank opinion? Hubbard was a manipulator and a narcissist who stole other people's ideas, attributing them to himself to get praise and admiration. But he was not a sadist or a psychopath.
Davey is a sadist and/or psychopath. It is natural for people to blame him for everything that is wrong with scientology. A lot of that blame is well deserved. But I feel it is necessary to try to look at Hubbard and realize that there are serious issues with the tech before Davey and also recognize Hubbard's many faults and failings (without unduly turning him into a demon of pure evil).
I think many indies look at Davey in an objective way, but prevent themselves from approaching Hubbard the same way. Many of them seem to start doing this with time.
And this is in no way a criticism of you @Veda , I know you are aware of Hubbards various faults and approach it critically.
I used to call him Ronnie. That's how close I was to him.
I don't mind critical thinking however I don't like to be ridiculed.
I'll get back to you in the A.M.Why on earth would I look for any "answers" on your posts? Seriously! You seem quite deluded and, at times, almost completely incomprehensible.
Well, perhaps you are a representative example of a "Scientology product".
You guys R tough. I guessRonnie the Connie?