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Bob Hinson

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Bob Hinson said:
Do you believe that it the responsibility of the individual to avail themselves of the knowledge? If you didn't get the results you looking for perhaps you missed something. Try looking in the mirror and stop pointing your finger at someone else.
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There's no absolutes in this Universe.
 
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Bob Hinson said:
Do you believe that it the responsibility of the individual to avail themselves of the knowledge? If you didn't get the results you looking for perhaps you missed something. Try looking in the mirror and stop pointing your finger at someone else.
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True Believers crack me up. All Scientology produces is excuses as to why it failed to accomplish what Hubbard promised. You are an example of that.
 
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Bob Hinson said:
No! First it's nice to have a conversation with someone that can articulate. To many times these days it's difficult to find someone to have an intelligent conversation with.
I will do my best to address your issues.
For me personally it would seem we're on the same channel e.g. I don't own anything published after the early 80s. As I've said earlier I've been around this stuff for along time and I don't think it appropriate to go into details here.
I've seen the results of the tech when properly applied as well as poor delivery. It's also ones ability to duplicate. It takes as long as it

We were the non existent people. I should have said Hollywierd not LA. You also may of not heard of B-1. When MSH and the gang got busted everything changed. OSA were punks.
Ever hear of Snow White?
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Bob, there are many ex-scientologists on this board and elsewhere who were GOWW staff back when Snow White and all the other ridiculous programs were running ... and the stories have all been fully exposed by us for the world to read about if they are interested (which most aren't).
 
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Bill said:
This really is Scientology Standard Tech: No "Clears"? Redefine "Clear". No "OTs"? Redefine "OT". Scientology fails and fails and fails? Redefine "Scientology". All solved! :duh: :hysterical:
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I told you I was trouble said:
Bob, there are many ex-scientologists on this board and elsewhere who were GOWW staff back when Snow White and all the other ridiculous programs were running ... and the stories have all been fully exposed by us for the world to read about if they are interested (which most aren't).
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Ok. I only asked if you were aware of it, (Snow White).
 
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Bill said:
This really is Scientology Standard Tech: No "Clears"? Redefine "Clear". No "OTs"? Redefine "OT". Scientology fails and fails and fails? Redefine "Scientology". All solved! :duh: :hysterical:
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I disagree.
I do know people that have accomplished those things. If you've been paying attention to my posts you would have gotten some of the answers that you seek. Apparently you just want to argue.
 
I told you I was trouble

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation.
Bob Hinson said:
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Ok. I only asked if you were aware of it, (Snow White).
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Yes, we are aware of it, some of us were there.

Bob, have you only recently discovered what is going on regarding ex scientologists on the internet?

This board (ESMB Redux) is fairly new, but there is a previous board (called ESMB) that was very active for around 12 years ... here is the link (below):

Original ESMB Message Board

You can no longer join the original board and unless you are logged so you can't see all of it but there should be enough there for you to read and get some info that may make things clearer, you will find a lot of us there too.

There are also numerous books, much media and other message boards ... all based on and fully exposing the rort that is scientology. Just do a few searches and you will gradually find it all if you are interested.

Edit: We know about Uncle Xenu too.

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Bill

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Bob Hinson said:
I disagree.
I do know people that have accomplished those things. If you've been paying attention to my posts you would have gotten some of the answers that you seek. Apparently you just want to argue.
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Why on earth would I look for any "answers" on your posts? Seriously! You seem quite deluded and, at times, almost completely incomprehensible.

Well, perhaps you are a representative example of a "Scientology product".
 
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Karakorum said:
I'd say it exactly is the other way around. 'Hard' scientology is harmful and the scn environment like the SO is just abusive. Those who experience harm and abuse will naturally be hostile towards the source of said harm and abuse.

The fact that there are so many dissenters and critics doesn't mean that something is wrong with them, it means there is something wrong with scientology.


Sure. To use a non-scientology example: Not every Afghan vet has PTSD, but some do. Even people from the very same squad experience things differently depending on their life experiences, personality etc.


I'd again say it is the other way around. Let me re-phrase the question a bit to reflect my opinion correctly (hope you won't be mad because of the rewording):

Q: If those who are disapproving of Scientology are "keyed in," "ARC broken," have "missed withholds." etc., have PTSD or experienced undue amounts of abuse, then how would an enthusiastic proponent of Scientology/Hubbard be characterized?
A: An enthusiastic proponent of Scientology/Hubbard can be characterized an someone who unwittingly propagates abuse.

I know - I was one myself.


My frank opinion? Hubbard was a manipulator and a narcissist who stole other people's ideas, attributing them to himself to get praise and admiration. But he was not a sadist or a psychopath.
Davey is a sadist and/or psychopath. It is natural for people to blame him for everything that is wrong with scientology. A lot of that blame is well deserved. But I feel it is necessary to try to look at Hubbard and realize that there are serious issues with the tech before Davey and also recognize Hubbard's many faults and failings (without unduly turning him into a demon of pure evil).

I think many indies look at Davey in an objective way, but prevent themselves from approaching Hubbard the same way. Many of them seem to start doing this with time.

And this is in no way a criticism of you @Veda , I know you are aware of Hubbards various faults and approach it critically.
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I used to call him Ronnie. That's how close I was to him.
I don't mind critical thinking however I don't like to be ridiculed.
 
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Bill said:
Why on earth would I look for any "answers" on your posts? Seriously! You seem quite deluded and, at times, almost completely incomprehensible.

Well, perhaps you are a representative example of a "Scientology product".
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I'll get back to you in the A.M.
It's late here.
 
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