It’s Independence Day: Tell us about your own fight for freedom from Scientology

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Here in the United States we are celebrating our independence, and we hope you are too, wherever you are.

The last two years, your proprietor was feeling especially patriotic in these dark times, and so we made pilgrimages to two of the most important sites in this republic’s founding, in Philadelphia and Boston.

This year, we’re even more worried about the seaworthiness of this old ship of state, but we’ll be staying local, throwing back a few brews and taking in some fireworks or something.

As usual, however, we mark Independence Day here at the Bunker by asking readers to tell us about their own declarations of freedom from Scientology indoctrination. What first led you to question your involvement in the organization? How did you negotiate the tricky path of leaving if you still had family members in?

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I was in the Sea org at Flag. Over time I decided that I wasn’t happy, and that every passing month would make it harder to re-establish myself in the real world.

I took advantage of the fact that my study time was right after meal, giving me a three hour window before I would be missed. Went to berthing, got my stuff, got a cab, and was on a plane before the “blow drill” was organized.
 
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I may have posted this before, but my entire journey to TOTAL FREEDOM can
be summarized in three (3) stages, as follows:



VENI VIDI VICI
VENI COGGI BLOWI
(I Came - I Cogged - I Blew)


...

 
The Flag MAA showed up at my house. They had cleverly figured out that I was talking to my brother. "He's an SP! You must disconnect immediately!"
I said "No". (In slightly more emphatic words )
I would have loved to have an electric cattle prod for such occasions

So I could ask: “Have you had electric shock therapy?
No?
(Pulling it out) Would you LIKE some? If not, get off my property!”
 
A few past post excerpts of mine, if curious . . .
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It came in stages. Here's a shocking anecdote I remember really clearly.

I was newly in but was auditor trained all the way, so I had already experienced some things. I knew this man who
was a lot older than me -- 55 or so at the time. A little hefty and definitely a blue collar kinda guy. He had his whole
family in and active. One day I see him walking up my driveway. He looked chalky, sorta grey complexion, oddly
sweating, rings around the eyes, and definitely not looking well by my standards.

He said he had some news to tell me. I thought he was gonna tell me he had just survived a heart attack and was
on the mend. But, no. He told me he had just attested to "dianetic clear." I was shocked as hell but didn't show it. I
congratulated him, of course. That episode and a few others I won't mention caused me to have a "dark night of the
soul" and I stopped auditing others after that. The whole early "dianetic clear" thing was a total mess, I concluded.
~
Years later . . . many years later.

Each iteration of the Golden Age of Tech blew out more and more auditors from what I
could see. I had totally left after the first golden age of tech, but still had many friends
who were in. I was well liked, since I was very personable and sorta fun. Still am. :coolwink:

Over the decades, I had once had a friend who got declared as Clear, then Un-Clear, four times,
doing repeats of their lower bridges each time to get to Clear again. Like three to four trips
through the lower bridge. A financial and mental calamity.

At one point, about 70% of people on Solo Nots were told they weren't Clear and
were forced to redo their bridges. OT Flag auditors -- which were mandatory at that point
of the bridge -- turned out to be super expensive for the lower bridge run-throughs.

I know that over 400 Solo Nots auditors turned in their materials and quit shortly after
GAT I was forced on everyone. Confirmed to me by a Flag mission trying to save me
after I had quit. I never looked back, having figured out it was all just a financial fraud
by that point. Yes, some wins along the way, but a fraud.

The whole activity devolved into a big mess, especially after I left.
~
Personally, I saw so much criminal behavior, 2D misbehavior, financial malfeasance,
and batshit craziness among OT7-8s and Class 8s, and at lower case levels, I knew
it was not working or delivering on the promises.

People usually have to have a "wake up event" happen on their own, IMO. They happen
for most eventually.
~
Everyone has their "scared shit-less" moment, usually all alone. Takes guts
to totally and openly leave.

I remember I picked up a copy of Bent Corydon's book, Madman or Messiah,
at a used book store ten years after I'd left. I sat alone and debated whether to
open it and read it, knowing if I ever went back it would cost me a ton in sec
checks. I debated for a few moments with myself whether I would EVER possibly
return to Flag . . . ever. The unequivocal answer was no. I read the book and got
all the other heretical books in time.

But there is that moment.
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When most people begin to extract themselves from LRH's false tech, histories, and worldviews, a tremendous disbelief and unwillingness to face uncomfortable truths can turn on. Some people make a fast pivot back and decide to hang on to the more comfortable LRH mythologies they’ve known. I don't blame them somehow. They’re just trying to avoid a potentially painful and months-long long "dark night of the soul."

I had actually received several chapters of the Going Clear book a few weeks before it was officially released, including the Sarge chapter, which I was totally shocked by at the time. I remember after reading it, I had a dark night of the soul (my spiritual crisis) and had the stark realization I had devoted -- wasted -- much of my adult life to a fraud. It was rough for a couple three months for me. I got through it though.

This dark night is usually experienced all alone by most people, IMO. One's spouse may not be on the same timeline of "awakening" and all your friends you've known for decades are still in and you really can't talk to them all about what you're going through. It can be a supremely lonely voyage without an exactly known final destination.
~
Finding out it was all a fantasy . . . well let's say, it's a jump out an airplane without a parachute and a long way down.
It's a pretty cruel fall I would not wish on anyone.

Thank god, I quit young enough to recreate a wonderful life for myself -- my "2.0" -- on the outside. I'm doing well . . . much better
than most people I knew back then might imagine, thank god. :coolwink:
 
I was on course at ASHO. I got kicked off the course and told to get auditing because I refused to act like a fucking robot as an auditor. Hi, I'm a real person and so is the person across from me holding the cans. Leaving was easy. I simply never went back. I also learned to audit without their help or sanction. I have a record of 95% acceptable results, and 5% miracles. I've seen things many of you wouldn't believe, so I will not tell you about them. So don't bother asking.

Oh, and not that I care, but I didn't get declared. An important thing I learned from LRH: be fabian. Thanks, Lafe! :bleh:
 
The Flag MAA showed up at my house. They had cleverly figured out that I was talking to my brother. "He's an SP! You must disconnect immediately!"
I said "No". (In slightly more emphatic words )


Sometimes they don't even show up at your house. They just call. . .

FLAG MAA's VOICE
(on phone call)
So I have some really bad news for you. I was at your
house and nobody answered when I knocked.

OT
So? So what?

FLAG MAA
Well, I had to use bolt cutters and break the padlock on your
back gate. When I peered in thru the window I could see that
your wife was at home and no matter how many times
I knocked or called her, she refused to answer.

OT
So? So what?

FLAG MMA
This is not funny. So what is--she's an SP!
You must disconnect immediately!

OT
Why is she an SP?

FLAG MAA
Because by not answering the door or the phone, she was
cutting the com line to Source. That's a suppressive
act! So, you need to move out right now! If you
don't disconnect then you are also an SP!

OT
What if I do disconnect, what happens then?
I'll still be in good standing?

FLAG MAA
No. Not even close. Your two kids are
also SPs and you need to disconnect
from them too!

OT
My kids too? SPs? Why are they SPs?

FLAG MAA
Because they were watching TV with
your wife. I saw them with my own eyes.

OT
What?! It's suppressive to watch TV?

FLAG MAA
Knock off the Q & A. Are you going to
disconnect from your kids or not?

OT
What the hell are you talking about?
My kids are only 4 and 7 years old!

FLAG MAA
Yeah, but they were watching South Park!!!
The episode that has confidential OT III materials
on it. They may have little bodies but for sure they
are SPs. Did you know that Ron says that Hitler
was also an SP?! So just wake up and realize
what group your children are members of! I'll
repeat the Ethics command, are you going
to disconnect from your kids or not?

OT
Well...now that you put it that way---I
am definitely going to disconnect. Actually,
this is a pretty big win, because i just cognited
why my stats at work have been down which
has really put stops on my flow to the Bridge!
No wonder my stats were crashed--I went
PTS to those two little damn Nazis!





— sorry, the above is what happens when a Scientologist has passed the clay demo on "NOT BEING REASONABLE"—



 
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My mistake was in believing I couldn't leave until my upset was resolved. Then, I swore to myself I'd take a much deserved hiatus. Forever. There are certain auditing errors that leave you in a quandry that nobody in the outside world would understand. And this may not be true in actuality, but you still need to get back to functioning when you've fallen in some black hole. I went broke doing that and yet found later, the resolution would have been simple. I just needed to stop accepting wrong why's.

Whether you call it black dianetics or just bad auditing, there are errors that just eat ALL your free attention units and leave a zombie. Those were dealt with routinely in the C of S. Yet, everyone was terrified to get their hands dirty. My advice is to just 'get out' asap. Find some exit counseling that's out there today. The environment inside will continue to trigger you, and staff are usually antipathetic to anyone not operating up to par.

I was so very lucky that when flying to ASHO for my final INT, someone slipped me the phone number and address of the AAC. There were buses just outside the Manor Hotel and I rode one all the way up the PCH. I never returned to the student auditor who was doing his internship. The poor fellow was dying of the flu and cramped into a 6 by 5 windowless room.

John Nelson met me at a specified hotel I spent the night in. He drove me up to Montecito, there on Coach Village Rd to see David first thing in the morning, Monday. From there Larry Little was running a bed and breakfast at Calle Andalucia Ct. He was a long term member of California Assoc of Dianetic Auditors. They were friends of Larry West. Catherine West was great. They understood why public and staff were in trouble and wanting to escape. I don't think they ever had so many people go type 3 from bad handling as they did in 82- 83. Too many incorrect repairs just made people worse. Yet everyone was afraid to act with the threats about processing clears.

Common sense is what escapees found at David Mayo's. It was a safe space there at Larry Little's home and others fleeing the C of S joined us there. Larry had a sports car and a motorcycle and was generous with the rides. He also had two big refrigerators with items he obviously wasn't using. Lol There was HBO and a cat. Ken Urquart had his auditing room set up there. I had to wake up early so my bedroom could be used to audit in. I got a lot of date and locates from him there. lol

When I flew back home to finish the NED course I had started in the courseroom, they found me out. I got the five person gang check but they could not be mad at me. I was not anti anything. I just wanted a case situation handled finitely. I no longer believed in the bridge as something going from lower to lofty levels. Since having a heart attack on the purif, I wasn't really back in the body and shit was hititng the fan. I just wanted to return to normal. Staff will say you just need to do your next level and what you're experiencing will be handled. That's the trap. They gotcha. David Mayo simply said, 'obviosuly INT hasn't been handling what you've got going on. Your problem is with another 'person' and auditing over an upset is making it worse.' Just having some correct indications is enough to turn off some crazy shit.

And David ended up being right.
 
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HelluvaHoax said
FLAG MAA
Yeah, but they were watching South Park!!!
The episode that has confidential OT III materials
on it. They may have little bodies but for sure they
are SPs. Did you know that Ron says that Hitler
was also an SP?! So just wake up and realize
what group your children are members of! I'll
repeat the Ethics command, are you going
to disconnect from your kids or not?​

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You gotta be RUTHLESS___________ ( little David Miscavige with sister Denise )
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Gee Davy, should we answer the doorbell? Nope, It might be those Nazi hunters. Let em sweat.
 

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