The continental investigations unit is now dead!

[Type4_PTS]

Accidents. "Dude crashed his thumb with a hammer doing renos" - that's a safety case.

OK, that's easy to handle, just have him write up his O/W's and get him onto a PTS handling.

 

[Type4_PTS]

Scientology loves its abbreviations:

"I went to the HGB to meet with the WISE INT IC, when I bumped into a C/S from ASHOF.
She gave me an SRA for writing TTSBs and KRs on the CO ASHO FDN being CI, out-KSW and failing to get enough BIS. I told her she must have MUs on LRH HCOPLs, HCOBs and apparently not having read the ODD. She proceeded to threaten me with a B of I, then called me a CI DB and said I must have gone PTS III back when I was MLO in the CCO.

Obviously this 2WC ended up in a CQ MEST Rfac, both of us got sent to the MAA, then to WUS INV who filed us as out-PR AUs and the CMO carried the news to the COB RTC. After a CommEv we both ended up on the PACRPF.


... that's a perfectly normal and understandable story if you happen to be in the SeaOrg.

I dare anyone to write a story using even more abbreviations than this

Sadly, I probably could write a story to match or exceed the number of abbreviations. Is there some kind of certificate or plaque I would get if I succeed?

 

[Karakorum]

What do you think could be a surprise "kill-shot event" they would not be
able to survive? A sort of cascading collapse? Or has it already happened
with Covid?

I think if an entire org in the US would defect as a cohesive unit, then g on to be an indie org and suddenly get more new joiners then before.

It could start a domino effect of other orgs leaving, followed by a mutiny in some part of the SO, followed by a few key whales and celebs turning on Davey.

Then there would come a point when the opportunists and fraidy-cats would start to believe that it is SAFER to turn on Davey rather than keep supporting him.

Then the same fear that kept them in line would propel them to rip Davey to shreds.

 

[Enthetan]

I dare anyone to write a story using even more abbreviations than this

Ex military would beat you on "buzzword bingo".

 

[Enthetan]

I think if an entire org in the US would defect as a cohesive unit, then g on to be an indie org and suddenly get more new joiners then before.

It could start a domino effect of other orgs leaving, followed by a mutiny in some part of the SO, followed by a few key whales and celebs turning on Davey.

Then there would come a point when the opportunists and fraidy-cats would start to believe that it is SAFER to turn on Davey rather than keep supporting him.

Then the same fear that kept them in line would propel them to rip Davey to shreds.

From what I see, the Indie orgs are not doing well either. If Indies were getting results, while "standard" orgs weren't, then you would have seen a mass switch over.

But they're not.

The direction is out. People are leaving entirely.

 

[Karakorum]

Ex military would beat you on "buzzword bingo".

Especially Soviet ones. They have all the military ones, but then they could combine it with all the communist party ones and all the general soviet civilian ones.
I know just a few like GenSec, but there's zounds of these.

 

[TheSneakster]

Yeah sorry, my bad. Whenever I write about the SeaOrg I sub-consciously fall into using the SeaOrg West US lingo and the abbreviations. I had to fight with myself to write: "Senior Dir I&R CLO WUS" instead of "Snr D. I&R CLO WUS"


TTSNB is in fact a Things that Should not Be.

Senior Director of Investigations and Reports for Continental Liaison Office, Western United States.

For those who aren't familiar with the C of S organizational hierarchy, a CLO is a middle tier management unit between the International Management level and the organizations in a particular designated region ("continent"). The "Senior" refers to a concept that the continental Hubbard Communications Office (HCO) has Senior authority over the local organization's HCO and may cancel or override the decisions and orders of the local HCO, particular in matters of so-called Justice.

 

[Zertel]

If INV stands for The Investigation Unit in Scientology it should be written out longhand as that in the thread title to avoid confusion. It sounds like a pretty big deal in the history of the cult.

ETA: I see the title is now clarified. Excellent

 

[Karakorum]

If INV stands for The Investigation Unit in Scientology it should be written out longhand as that in the thread title to avoid confusion. It sounds like a pretty big deal in the history of the cult.

I'm still pinching myself. Wow, I lived to see it.

I'm still plan to live long enough to see the scientology sign get taken down from big blue.

 

[Zertel]

I'm still pinching myself. Wow, I lived to see it.

I'm still plan to live long enough to see the scientology sign get taken down from big blue.

I get it. The new information got you pretty exited. laughter

 

[Karakorum]

I get it. The new information got you pretty exited. laughter

I spent years there. For me it is indeed a big thing.

I thought this would be many years into the future, that scientology would go in some sort of managed decline mode for some 2 decades more. But everything is going on at a much more rapid pace. The insider that spoke to Chris recently tells a story that matches - OSA is mostly empty, rtc is mostly empty, nobody is doing the purifs, orgs are still in lockdown mode and the CoS apparently lost roughly 1/3rd of the membership it had in early 2020.

 

[TheSneakster]

From what I see, the Indie orgs are not doing well either. If Indies were getting results, while "standard" orgs weren't, then you would have seen a mass switch over.

What "Indie Orgs" ? The Hubbard Standard Tech Indie faction doesn't have any Organization or even Missions, AFAIK. Ron's Org (Really Bill's Org) is regarded as a "squirrel group" by most Standard Tech factions ( based on years of Internet social media traffic).

But your reasoning is highly flawed. C of S Scientologists have been extensively propagandized against any and all Independent groups as being "squirrels" selling fake OT levels that will fuck up their OT case, possibly drive them insane, and maybe kill them as well.

 

[onceuponatime]

So it seems that... continental INV is dead!

Not too surprising. Around the time they released GAT II, when they were revamping PAC (made LA an SO org, combined ASHO), they were also making changes to the networks at the cont and int level, that's what I heard at least. Cont Inv probably got caught up in that. They were trying to make things more streamlined I think, and I guess they decided Inv didn't serve a purpose, or wasn't based on LRH policy.

Catherine Olson said in one of her videos, that almost everyone left in OSA was old, remarking that it's too hard to get new people through the rigorous qualification process. besides recruiting problems and disaffection and so on, i suspect that as in the rest of scientology they're running across the problem that key people recruited back in the heyday are being lost to aging, whether they've run out of steam or given up the ghost.

i think that effect is particularly seen in the missions, close to two thirds of which have closed in the last decade or so; many mission holders, who from what i can tell tend to be old timers from that same era, were just getting too far on in years to keep it up anymore, especially in the face of the missions becoming money-losing burdens as interest in the 'subject' dwindles.

We've talked about how Scientology has a real problem as a large number of its most dedicated members begin to age out. This is part of that, the older members are usually the most dedicated ones. They aren't worried about some 60-70 year old guy deciding all of a sudden that this isn't for him and routing out. I think they are worried about somebody in their 20s deciding they want to do something else, even if they last for some time. Tommy Davis being a good example of something they wouldn't want to happen again.

I also agree with the other posts here, for the most part the 2nd or 3rd gen people are not really on the same level of dedication as those who got in back in the 80s (or earlier). The 2nd gen people are in because it's what they grew up with and all they've known. The old timers are true believers and most of them would never even think of leaving the SO, also I'm sure a ton of them suffer from sunk cost fallacy, and the idea of starting civilian life at 70 with no resources probably scares them.

It used to be (early 1980's) that cases involving senior org execs were handled by the org's LRH Comm, who was not subject to anybody else at the Org level.

Who would investigate reports against the LRH Comm? Traditionally, Senior HCO (alias INV).

While I've seen the LC be involved and help coordinate things, usually ethics cycles on senior org execs were handled at the cont level. Many org execs lived in a constant fear of being called to go to CLO for handling.

 

[Zertel]

Let's all shed a few crocodile tears over its grave.

Treat this post as my funerary oration.
Let's have this as the soundtrack for this post:

I received some news about PAC. Long story short: I learned what happened to a few key people at INV and --- spoiler alert --- none of them are at inv anymore. When I tried to ask who runs the show there now and how they are doing things I got a "huh, what?" sort of reaction. Undeterred I tried to contact some people I knew and finally got to talk with someone who got really, really disaffected after covid and is pretty much out.

The big news is that: Apparently NOBODY is doing anything at INV. Since the orgs closed down in 2020 the cases aren't being escalated to continental level, there appears to be no investigations running at all and its all left to local EOs (who aren't doing much it seems as well). I have no idea who, if anyone, is tending to the ethics db.

So it seems that... continental INV is dead!




Well, I think the walls might be closing in on ol'Davey. With no inv, I would guess OSA is probably also crumbling away.
With no OSA and no inv and no rtc, the enforcement duties will fall on cmo alone. I can't see this as anything else than a death spiral.

For verily I say upon thee, the walls of ol'Babylon are comin' down and the gate was torn asunder!

The day is fast approaching,
By prophets long foretold,
When the prison walls crumble,
And fear will lose its hold.

When every senseless policy
To the rubbish bin we'll throw
And every cultish nonsense
To hell shall finally go.

Disconnection that divides us
Shall wholly pass away,
Like shadows of the morning,
Before the blaze of day.

When Flag shall be no longer,
PAC and gold both cease,
And all of their victims
Will finally rest in peace

The long expected dawning
Breaks with its cheering ray;
Already morning brightens,
And shadows flee away.

O blessed day of triumph,
That cheers the watchers on,
To pray, and hope, and labor,
Till the dark night be gone.




Can I get an "amen brother!" ?
Can I get a "halleluyah!"?

The Prohibition Dirge (funeral tune) gave me an LOL when the tempo picked up. Great choice! I guess not everyone stayed too worried about prohibition or in this case the death of "INV".

One little suggestion - If Continental Investigations Unit is/was the official name you might capitaize it in the title.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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I'm still pinching myself. Wow, I lived to see it.

.
Not so fast.

The "INVESTIGATIONS" have simply moved up the org board and said functions are being "HFA" (Held From Above).

In fact, the sudden absence of personnel in lower echelon investigations units is a big win for Scientology. It's the first time since 1950 when staff trained in Hubbard's Ethics & Justice technology were able to find and shatter actual suppression. Historically, there never was even one (1) investigation that found the real SPs atop the command channel (e.g. Hubbard, Miscavige, et al). However, at least now the investigators stopped targeting innocent victims and turned on each other and themselves and finally got rid of all that needless suppression by suppressing each other to the point where all of the pretend "investigators" are blowing.

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[Enthetan]

Interested in how long you think they can maintain their "death march,"
being they own so much real property, presumably have a ton of money
in the bank still, and a pod of whales willing to fund more cash every year.

Scientology is currently a dictatorship. At whatever point Darth Midget decides it's time to pull the plug, that's when it will happen.

My guess is that will happen when the cashflow situation becomes sufficiently negative that it will impact his retirement plans.

I would think that DM spends some time thinking about the end-game.

 

[Enthetan]

But your reasoning is highly flawed. C of S Scientologists have been extensively propagandized against any and all Independent groups as being "squirrels" selling fake OT levels that will fuck up their OT case, possibly drive them insane, and maybe kill them as well.

If an Indie was able to objectively demonstrate to a Scientologist that he had all the advertised abilities of a Clear (for example photographic memory) that would be fairly convincing.

If an Indie was able to pick him up with telekinesis and slam him up against the ceiling, then that would convince most.

 

[Karakorum]

Not too surprising. Around the time they released GAT II, when they were revamping PAC (made LA an SO org, combined ASHO), they were also making changes to the networks at the cont and int level, that's what I heard at least. Cont Inv probably got caught up in that. They were trying to make things more streamlined I think, and I guess they decided Inv didn't serve a purpose, or wasn't based on LRH policy.

Since when is anything in the management structure based on LRH policy? Why is the COB RTC running everything? What happened to the watchdog committee? Why is the CMO circumventing all command chains?

The whole thing would still be a farce and a mess if ran strictly according to LRH policy. But it is not even ran according to that, it is just ad-hoc management based on off-the-cuff comments made by Davey.
Moreover it is implemented by a dwindling circle of aged, sleep-deprived zombies who are just trying not to land on the RPF again.

 

[TheSneakster]

Since when is anything in the management structure based on LRH policy? Why is the COB RTC running everything? What happened to the watchdog committee? Why is the CMO circumventing all command chains?

The whole thing would still be a farce and a mess if ran strictly according to LRH policy. But it is not even ran according to that, it is just ad-hoc management based on off-the-cuff comments made by Davey.
Moreover it is implemented by a dwindling circle of aged, sleep-deprived zombies who are just trying not to land on the RPF again.

The quickest possible trip to the RPF is to tell an RTC Rep an order is contrary to Hubbard HCO PL or Flag Order X-Y-Z which one happens to know cold because it's their hat.

There have been reports that all the Green Admin volumes were removed from the orgs and pulped at least a decade ago pending a supposed reissue of new "corrected" ones that never happened. I reckon this was done to prevent staff knowing the actual Hubbard policies routinely violated by David "Darth Midget" Miscavige.

For example, DM's four times a year "events" totally violate HCO PL Congress Policies because they are not even remotely aimed at introducing new public to Scientology (the actual mission of org Division VI). These things are supposed to run several days with Hubbard Lecture tape plays, TRs drilling, group processing, co-auditing, book sales (new names to CF), etc. All the propaganda speeches are actually supposed to be articles in printed newsletters sent out to the mailing list. These events have been cutting across org tech delivery and standard promotional activities and pretty much annihilating org budgets through the fees for posh venues when the cheapest possible event hall rentals were to be used. This is just one Darth Midget Know-Best disaster.

The IAS should not even exist, if Ron Hubbard policies were being followed. Donations without services in return are straight up forbidden and under Hubbard, the orgs did not do this, even if one reckons the services delivered to be worthless. IAS donations directly steal income from the orgs and these IAS events do not bring in any *NEW* public to become Scientologists and who will buy services and bring income into the orgs.

 

[Reyne Mayer]

What do you think could be a surprise "kill-shot event" they would not be
able to survive? A sort of cascading collapse? Or has it already happened
with Covid?

i have trouble imagining anything in the near future other than something legal, a prosecution and/or a challenge to their corporate structure (including tax exemption) that would result in either external oversight or dismemberment. they are doggedly persistent in their will to 'survive' if nothing else.

i think COVID has just pushed them over the demographic cliff they were headed towards anyway with an aging core membership, maybe accelerating the process by as much as a decade if you figure that as sort of collateral damage, on top of everything else they may have lost a significant number of people whose interest and allegiance has shifted to Qanon and the like.

DM has enough money stockpiled and enough building projects lined up to keep up the illusion of 'expansion' for the rest of his natural life. the local orgs may end up like Christian Science reading rooms with skeleton crews, but that could take fewer than a thousand people.

i do expect that the virtual abandonment of Int Base and the seeming shift to Clearwater will turn into an outright consolidation at flagship sites with lesser known properties quietly disposed of, but then renovation and construction at prominent campuses will just be billed as more 'evidence' of expansion....