Is that when you were hooked?
Headaches and Out Int.I'll give you one, but it was completely against standard tech. I used to get headaches all the time. Because I was in Scientology I had to suffer through them, otherwise I would have taken an aspirin.
I was called to a session on end of endless int. I did the session. I then returned to the academy and was asked to do TR0 for 45 minutes. I didn't even think about it and sat down. After 45 minutes, there was a break. I have not had a headache since that day, not once. That was nearly 30 years ago.
How I got hooked: a buddy gave me a "havingness assist" (Look around here and find something that you can have)
Is that when you were hooked?
They like to get people who have problems, whose "ruin" can be quickly found and exploited.How I got hooked: a buddy gave me a "havingness assist" (Look around here and find something that you can have)
and I, being highly suggestible at that time, had a euphoric realization, or "cog". At that time, I was utterly stressed out, depressed, and had attempted suicide a few months earlier! I was a hot mess, and that taste of euphoria was so dramatically different from the previous 3 years of my life (full of strife and deep suffering), that I just dove in to reading Hubbard, quite uncritically and with a very emotionally misguided hope for further relief from my travail...I was super vulnerable and unstable...
Ironically, when the same guy had talked to me about dianetics a few months before that, I flatly told him it was bullshit!
Yes, scientology/dianutty/Hubbardology is really all about manipulation and ritualised predatory behavior redefined as "help"...It's that creepy, Crowleyian, "I'll-do-what-the-fuck-I-want-to-whomever-whenever" vibe...Hubbard's Affirmations are Ground Zero regarding this unmitigated evil...They like to get people who have problems, whose "ruin" can be quickly found and exploited.
Recruitment and body-routing is a lifeless, sad and creepy job. You end up lookign for vulnerable people or weird focus target groups. Mine were: "Upstat-looking surfers", "edgy girls with tattoos or carrying instruments".
Hubbard's affirmations are proof that he was a confused and indoctrinated cult-follower himself at that point in time.Yes, scientology/dianutty/Hubbardology is really all about manipulation and ritualised predatory behavior redefined as "help"...It's that creepy, Crowleyian, "I'll-do-what-the-fuck-I-want-to-whomever-whenever" vibe...Hubbard's Affirmations are Ground Zero regarding this unmitigated evil...
When I read the affirmations I was struck at how neurotic he was.Hubbard's affirmations are proof that he was a confused and indoctrinated cult-follower himself at that point in time.
The sad part is that unlike all of us here, he did not just become an ex-cultist and move on. He decided to start his own cult and be a guru.
I partially agree with you and partially disagree with you.The purpose of the TR's was put one in present time. But aren't we all in present time.
The rhetoric by Hubbard was that we weren't in present time because we had engrams, secondaries and locks, and thus needed to do dianetics auditing, and later on scientology auditing, because engrams, secondaries and locks were supposedly whole track or past lives, and removing these things or recalling them from our mind via auditing, we would thus become clear, and then OT..
The rhetoric is to get one to believe one had a engram, or a secondary, or a lock. The rhetoric is to get one to believe by doing auditing and studying everything Hubbard wrote or lectured would make you a clear and then later on a OT, with all the so called abilities of going up the bridge to total freedom.
But, it all turns out to be false, nobody went clear, nobody went OT, and nobody has returned from past life using dianeticss or scientology, not one person.
you really don't understand rhetoric, you think it's a one time event like a car salesman trying to sell or persuade you to buy a car.It was so long ago for me in the cult. I remember thinking that TRs were great, relaxing, and the way and the truth and therapy. I even had an out of body experience doing TRO. That was amazing and everything I could have imagined from Scientology.
As the years went by, I don't think I ever had anything that you could call a win doing TRs. As a matter of fact, things got harder the longer I stayed in Scientology. TRs just made me squirm, and feel uncomfortable. Being a Scientologist, I automatically assumed that the discomfort was proof that the tech worked since Hubbard mentioned such things may happen. And you would be right in thinking that I doubled my efforts to make it all work.
These days I don't even try to "stay in present time". I just live my life like everyone else. If you agree with me, then my rhetoric must be working. We all know it is all rhetoric, don't we?
When the Soviet Union existed they did a lot of work on the topic of unusual sensitivities and capabilities. The Soviets, of course, were absolute materials, and had materialistic explanations. Yet they recognized unusual phenomena as existing.IMO, doing TR0 for an hour can sometimes cause an OBE hallucination.
(And that "experience" is not due to any rhetoric.)
Hubbard also borrowed from Helen Rhodes' book Psychcoma. Example from this 1909 classic: "Man is a soul, not has a soul." Sound familiar?Headaches and Out Int.
Was this chapter from Crowley's Eight Lectures on Yoga a partial inspiration for Hubbard's Int RD?
Do a find on headache to see the quote, if curious:
Link to headache. (Crowley wrote about leaving the body with an astral body and, then, leaving the astral body. A step Hubbard skipped.)
Anyway, my favorite TRs "win" can be seen in this thread: Link to Those who "quit fast" thread. Scroll down if curious.
If course, some don't "quit fast," and hang around:
Perhaps the best known recounting of having an Out of Body Experience while doing Scientology Training Routines - and being sold on Scientology as a result - is from actor Jason Beghe, being interviewed by Mark Bunker.
The vanity compilation of great thinkers, featured in some Scientology PR, and presented at the front of the books Science of Survival and Scientology 8-8008, were put together by book editor John Sanborn to gave Hubbard gravitas (weight and respectability). These were not accurate representations of the sources upon which Hubbard drew. Nonetheless, Hubbard did "borrow" much from a number of subjects and persons - amongst them, and probably topping the list, would be Aleister Crowley.From 10:45 to 12:37
In his book, Eight Lectures on Yoga, specifically from the section tilted Yoga for Yahoos, Aleister Crowley summarizes Yoga: "Sit still. Stop thinking. Shut up. Get Out!."
This was pretty much Scientology, for a brief while, during the early days, until Hubbard realized it was a terrible business model and introduced the Bridge/hamster wheel to Total Freedom.
The ever-lengthening Grade Chart being introduced
It's pretty obvious that Hubbard did not want people passing through Scientology. He wanted Scientology to possess them.
Breaking the spell of that possession, rather than making a person renounce every tiny piece of the subject, seems to be a valid objective.
Yet, there are those who think that's silly and we should just...