Wildfires in WUS

Helena Handbasket

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The big news these days is the devastating forest fires in California and Oregon.

I do know that the town where Mystic lives was utterly destroyed by a wall of flames.

Mystic, I hope you and your family got out safely. My heart goes out to you, and hope you all are well.

Helena, still in her you-know-what

mimsey borogrove

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Well, the smoke is dying down. My friend was driving to LA from Idaho during this mess. He showed me a picture he took crossing the golden gate bridge with the fire in the hills behind it, and in Oregon he had his head lights on at 3 in the afternoon it was pretty dark, and the skies were super orange - it was raining ash. He kept running into road closures and ended up going 500 miles out of his way on detours through twisty country roads.

The thing that Trump, Gov. Newsom forget - or just plain don't know, when they blame this on climate change, is that these fires have been going on for thousands of years before the Europeans settled here. The indigenous tribes also did controlled burns, but millions of acers would burn regularly. This is nothing new.


"In the majority of US political settings wildland fire is still discussed as a negative force. Lacking from current wildfire discussions are estimates of the spatial extent of fire and their resultant emissions before the influences of Euro-American settlement and this is the focus of this work. We summarize the literature on fire history (fire rotation and fire return intervals) and past Native American burning practices to estimate past fire occurrence by vegetation type. Once past fire intervals were established they were divided into the area of each corresponding vegetation type to arrive at estimates of area burned annually. Finally, the First Order Fire Effects Model was used to estimate emissions. Approximately 1.8 million ha burned annually in California prehistorically (pre 1800). Our estimate of prehistoric annual area burned in California is 88% of the total annual wildfire area in the entire US during a decade (1994–2004) characterized as “extreme” regarding wildfires. The idea that US wildfire area of approximately two million ha annually is extreme is certainly a 20th or 21st century perspective. Skies were likely smoky much of the summer and fall in California during the prehistoric period. Increasing the spatial extent of fire in California is an important management objective. The best methods to significantly increase the area burned is to increase the use of wildland fire use (WFU) and appropriate management response (AMR) suppression fire in remote areas. Political support for increased use of WFU and AMR needs to occur at local, state, and federal levels because increasing the spatial scale of fire will increase smoke and inevitability, a few WFU or AMR fires will escape their predefined boundaries.

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