If Hubbard had been honest, there would be no cult. Period.Hubbard thought the had something of value; he also knew it was not as as advertised. (In other words, fraud.)
Van Morrison wrote and performed this song when he was receiving Life Repair auditing at Celebrity Center.
Hubbard was greedy for money and power.Hubbard thought the had something of value; he also knew it was not as as advertised. (In other words, fraud.)
Relevant to this discussion are some comments about the Can We Ever Be Friends? cassette tapes.Hubbard was greedy for money and power.
Techniques which may make people feel slightly more calm and happy would not generate large cash flows.
Uh, I thought it was: "Can We Ever Be Friends?"
I think that tape ranks as the primo, indubitably, superlatively cringe-tastic thing EVER produced by Hubbard.
There were two versions of this tape. The earlier version was narrated by someone (very badly) portraying a stereotypical (Norman Rockwell type) grandfather or clergyman. Embarrassingly contrived, with the apparent objective of making the "wogs" (usually older people/parents) feel comfortable. Most people here, so far, only seem to have heard the second version.Me and a fellow clam listened to it together. I actually bought the damn cassette. We both had that reaction. We couldn't understand why the actor sounded so weird. The so called mocking up of the emotions of the Tone Scale was dumb and obvious. I kept the tape because I never throw anything away and besides, I paid good money for it.
The obvious question would have been: IF SCIENTOLOGY WORKS, THEN WHY IS THIS TAPE SO STUPID?
I think I even asked that question of myself many times in many different situations. But it wasn't enough. I was too much into the cult experience.
Hubbard's defining characteristic was dishonesty. That, more than anything, was why he was successful.Hubbard thought the had something of value; he also knew it was not as as advertised. (In other words, fraud.)
I actually have a different viewpoint. I think hubbard thought he found something that would change the world and free man, and he used rhetoric to persuade people into thinking his was right. Hubbard continued to write and lecture from Dianetics to scientology, using the e-meter as proof, and believed in the emeter, hence he wrote and lectured lots of millions of words. How many courses and how many students have done Emeter drills, etc?Hubbard thought the had something of value; he also knew it was not as as advertised. (In other words, fraud.)
Van Morrison wrote and performed this song when he was receiving Life Repair auditing at Celebrity Center.
Take a look at Hubbard...especially during the time when Dianetics is published.I actually have a different viewpoint. I think hubbard thought he found something that would change the world and free man, and he used rhetoric to persuade people into thinking his was right. Hubbard continued to write and lecture from Dianetics to scientology, using the e-meter as proof, and believed in the emeter, hence he wrote and lectured lots of millions of words. How many courses and how many students have done Emeter drills, etc?
Hubbard thru his rhetoric writing & lectures convinced a lot of people into doing his stuff. He got many money's for it. Hubbard got his a penny a word. Hubbard created a following, he created a empire of Scientology Orgs, Scientology Missions, etc. He didn't get everybody, and anybody opposed to him was labeled a PTS or SP.
In the end, he told Sarge he failed. That means, nobody really went clear, and nobody went OT, and nobody has returned from past life using scientology.
Can you show us anything from Hubbard's private writings, such as his 1938 Skipper letter re. Excalibur, or his late 1946/early 1947 Affirmations, where Hubbard expressed a desire to free man?I actually have a different viewpoint. I think hubbard thought he found something that would change the world and free man,
Is regarding the e-meter as a truth detector also rhetoric?and he used rhetoric to persuade people into thinking his was right. Hubbard continued to write and lecture from Dianetics to scientology, using the e-meter as proof, and believed in the emeter, hence he wrote and lectured lots of millions of words. How many courses and how many students have done Emeter drills, etc?
We still don't know what Hubbard meant by "he failed." Failed at what? Hubbard's father lived to be 89. His son was sickly and feeble at 74. He saw himself as a wanted man - on the run, in hiding. He knew he had a giant unpaid tax bill to the IRS. He was subject to periods of depression.Hubbard thru his rhetoric writing & lectures convinced a lot of people into doing his stuff. He got many money's for it. Hubbard got his a penny a word. Hubbard created a following, he created a empire of Scientology Orgs, Scientology Missions, etc. He didn't get everybody, and anybody opposed to him was labeled a PTS or SP.
In the end, he told Sarge he failed. That means, nobody really went clear, and nobody went OT, and nobody has returned from past life using scientology.
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I never said he was honest. I said he used rhetoric, and to be more specific, he used Dean Wilbur's rhetoric.Take a look at Hubbard...especially during the time when Dianetics is published.
He's on the lam from his first marriage. His wife can't locate him and is forced to move in with his parents...kids in tow.
She's receiving ZERO child support.
Hubbard claims that HE was abandoned to die all alone and didn't know where she was at. Obviously, he had no clue where his parents lived.
He's in a free sex cult mooching off of his buddy...masturbating to create the devil's child/anti-Christ with....Magik. He steals the hot babe 17 year old girlfriend of his buddy and they take off to live it up on a yacht in Florida bought and paid for by this guy and the whole time Hubbard is trying to get disability out of the U.S. government for war ravages that he never experienced. All this time his wife and kids are the burden of Gramma and Grampa Hubbard and Hubbard claims that during this time he was forgotten and abandoned by these people and cured himself of all the ailments that he continued to beg for money from the government for...
The 17 year old hot free sex babe does the research for the book where he claims 270 cases were Cleared or Released.
Does this look honest to you? Irrespective when he thought he found something - what's honest here?
As far as Hubbard finding something that he thought worked I've read a couple stories of 1st timers saying that Hubbard was shocked that it worked and never took it personally seriously until he saw others get value out of it. In addition, how much of the workable stuff came from people like Alan Walters, et al?
Anything and everything workable he immediately branded himself as the author of to get the royalties and then manipulated and twisted the findings of this stuff in order to maximize the exploitation of any consumers. He twisted everything around.
For instance, Scientology "ethics" is all about protecting him, his "church" and Scientology. All other industries and professions have ethical codes to protect consumers. Why would an honest entity need protection?
I tried to show them in the Heinlein/Campbell letters. You can read them.Can you show us anything from Hubbard's private writings, such as his 1938 Skipper letter re. Excalibur, or his late 1946/early 1947 Affirmations, where Hubbard expressed a desire to free man?
Is regarding the e-meter as a truth detector also rhetoric?
We still don't know what Hubbard meant by "he failed." Failed at what? Hubbard's father lived to be 89. His son was sickly and feeble at 74. He saw himself as a wanted man - on the run, in hiding. He knew he had a giant unpaid tax bill to the IRS. He was subject to periods of depression.
Sarge, naively, thought Hubbard's publicly stated aims were has real aims.
You seem to assume that too.
If you recall, HUbbard saidI tried to show them in the Heinlein/Campbell letters. You can read them.
The original e-meter was the Volney Emeter, which had scales for Tone or emotions. It wasn't used as a lie detector, but as a emotional response to a question with associated Tone, or emotion, think Hubbards Tone Scale, per the level on the knob, you can say it's a quack machine, which I say it is. Hubbard globbed onto it because it showed proof, or logos, but in the end, not true.
What Hubbard meant by he failed is exactly that. Sarge failed for finally telling the truth was because he was a chicken shit for not telling what Hubbard told him in the beginning of his death.
In a Sad Tail (sic) of PDH, from around 1960, Hubbard ridiculed Scientologists who thought that a read on the question, "Have you been PDHed?" meant that Scientologists had been PDHed. (People checking others with the question, "Have you been PDHed?" got out of control, and created confusion in orgs and reduced income.)I tried to show them in the Heinlein/Campbell letters. You can read them.
The original e-meter was the Volney Emeter, which had scales for Tone or emotions. It wasn't used as a lie detector, but as a emotional response to a question with associated Tone, or emotion, think Hubbards Tone Scale, per the level on the knob, you can say it's a quack machine, which I say it is. Hubbard globbed onto it because it showed proof, or logos, but in the end, not true.
What Hubbard meant by he failed is exactly that. Sarge failed for finally telling the truth was because he was a chicken shit for not telling what Hubbard told him in the beginning of his death.
It's pretty clear to me. My wife has no OT abilities, nor clear abilities. Plus I know lots of other so called OT's, not one, really. That's my observation, not some words of interpretation.In a Sad Tail (sic) of PDH, from around 1960, Hubbard ridiculed Scientologists who thought that a read on the question, "Have you been PDHed?" meant that Scientologists had been PDHed. (People checking others with the question, "Have you been PDHed?" got out of control, and created confusion in orgs and reduced income.)
We don't know what Hubbard meant when he said he failed.
If you recall, HUbbard said
The pen is mightier than the sword